Won't argue with that. In fact, that sounds like just what I was saying. ;) If you make changes to the configuration, as I said, it's likely to get worse. It's a trivial, but not obvious to an idiot, exercise to make those "tools" work under Unix, too, and they become outdated very quickly. If you're running a newer or older Unix than the "tool" is designed to break, you'll likely have no problem there, either. This whole part of the discussion might be irrelevant, though, since nobody does anything interesting in that area any more. It's generally "denial of service" crap, and mostly depends on saturating peoples' network pipe, but what can you expect? Possible. Just imagine how "safe" Amiga users are in that respect :) Wait 'till I get my Prime. ;) I certainly hope that changes. I could stand to see many people replace their peesees with Macs. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '