14 Sep
2000
14 Sep
'00
4:13 p.m.
At 19:12 14-09-2000 -0500, Anthony Eros wrote:
I have an opportunity to get up to a dozen DEC Computer
Lab units. The DEC
Computer Lab was a tabletop digital logic trainer (see attached picture)
<snip>
And you also posted a binary file to the entire mailing list, regardless
of whether or not everyone would be interested in such a unit (I would be,
but at nowhere near the price you're asking. If you or Compaq really wants
that much for them, then you'd probably do better taking them to E-[over]pay).
A better way to make an image file available is to put it on a web site,
and simply post a link to it to the list.
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Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies
http://www.bluefeathertech.com // E-mail: kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com
Amateur Radio: WD6EOS since Dec. '77 (Extra class as of June-2K)
"Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our
own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."
14 Sep
14 Sep
4:54 p.m.
Gee, I had so much fun with that thing. OMSI had one, I once tried to
build a very simple serial computer with the thing. With 8 JK-FF, it's
really difficult. This was back in 73 at the west lab. I have to agree,
$250 is quite a bit. Loved the wood case and the high quality
construction.
Hello to Jim Willing and Gary Oliver.
Jim Davis.
Bruce Lane wrote:
At 19:12 14-09-2000 -0500, Anthony Eros wrote:
<snip>
And you also posted a binary file to the
entire mailing list, regardless
of whether or not everyone would be interested in such a unit (I would be,
but at nowhere near the price you're asking. If you or Compaq really wants
that much for them, then you'd probably do better taking them to E-[over]pay).
A better way to make an image file available is to put it on a web site,
and simply post a link to it to the list.
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies
http://www.bluefeathertech.com // E-mail: kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com
Amateur Radio: WD6EOS since Dec. '77 (Extra class as of June-2K)
"Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our
own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."
6:52 p.m.
Gee, I had so much fun with that thing. OMSI had one,
I once tried to
build a very simple serial computer with the thing. With 8 JK-FF, it's
really difficult. This was back in 73 at the west lab. I have to agree,
$250 is quite a bit. Loved the wood case and the high quality
construction.
Hello to Jim Willing and Gary Oliver.
Jim Davis.
How could OMSI have sunk this low? I never was aware of any of this when I
was growing up and visiting there in the 70's and 80's. However, you go
there now and they just don't have any cool exhibits like they used to.
What I would really love to find is a Graphical version of "Hunt the Wumpus"
like they had. That was a really simple game, but really cool. I'd
probably write it myself if I could remember enough about how it went.
Zane
7:45 p.m.
The west lab was restricted. You went down to the focault area and
headed west,
around the corner, to the far west end of the building, past the
classrooms.
the door at the end of the hall was the west lab, Containing a real
PDP-8,
the pdp-11/45 (rsts), and a bunch of other goodies. Gamatron irraditor,
liquid
nitrogen, lasers, tons of chemicals, a great collection of electronic
junk and
a bunch of student projects. Had a desk in there for a year or so. Up in
a closet, I located that little gem. Played with it for months.
Wish I still had my old OMSI software teeshirt. Rusty Whitney and Dan
fouts?
ran the place. Terror: the time I plugged in a he-ne laser and it
shorted the
220 and 110 mains. It blew up the swap drum on the 8.
healyzh(a)aracnet.com wrote:
Gee, I had so much fun with that thing. OMSI had
one, I once tried to
build a very simple serial computer with the thing. With 8 JK-FF, it's
really difficult. This was back in 73 at the west lab. I have to agree,
$250 is quite a bit. Loved the wood case and the high quality
construction.
Hello to Jim Willing and Gary Oliver.
Jim Davis.
How could OMSI have sunk this low? I never was aware of any of this when I
was growing up and visiting there in the 70's and 80's. However, you go
there now and they just don't have any cool exhibits like they used to.
What I would really love to find is a Graphical version of "Hunt the Wumpus"
like they had. That was a really simple game, but really cool. I'd
probably write it myself if I could remember enough about how it went.
Zane 
8:35 p.m.
Hi back!
At 09:45 PM 9/14/00, Jim Davis wrote:
The west lab was restricted. You went down to the
focault area and headed
west,
around the corner, to the far west end of the building, past the classrooms.
the door at the end of the hall was the west lab, Containing a real PDP-8,
the pdp-11/45 (rsts), and a bunch of other goodies.
Restricted? Well... ok, to the general unwashed... <G> I don't remember
ever getting any (ok, much) grief for being in there... Except maybe
after crashing the '45 trying to improve the idle sequences light flash
routine... B^}
Gamatron irraditor, liquid
nitrogen, lasers, tons of chemicals, a great collection of electronic junk and
a bunch of student projects. Had a desk in there for a year or so. Up in
a closet, I located that little gem. Played with it for months.
Was that the same closet where they kept the Votrax mainframe stashed?
Wish I still had my old OMSI software teeshirt. Rusty
Whitney and Dan
fouts? ran the place.
Where is Rusty these days? Last time I saw him was when I was invited to
participate on a computer education task force at OMSI some many years
back... Scary part was, he still remembered (and recognized) me... One of
the first things he said after hello was: "have you learned how to type yet?"
Terror: the time I plugged in a he-ne laser and it
shorted the 220 and 110 mains. It blew up the swap drum on the 8.
So that was you, eh? Dang, keep yer lasers away from the drives on my
8-I !!! B^}
-jim
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The Computer Garage - http://www.computergarage.org
Computer Garage Fax - (503) 646-0174
11:41 p.m.
"Back", Heh That was a long time ago. I didn't get it until now.
"Hi, I'm Back", ROTFL, I guess I'm a little slow, but that's why I
program,
So the machines can keep up. ;)
What ever happened to crusty/crunchy ( stinky ) Christensen? Let me
guess?
He's working (for the dark forces) at intel? Gak...
BTW:
I have about 10K lbs of goodies in my garage. I'm about ready to cut
loose with a trade-a-thon. Interested?
Jim Davis.
James Willing wrote:
Hi back!
<snip>
jimw(a)computergarage.org
The Computer Garage - http://www.computergarage.org
Computer Garage Fax - (503) 646-0174
8:23 p.m.
New subject: TOT: Wumpus, Was:DEC Computer Labs available
Wumpus, easy game. create a 2D room matrix, initialize with nothing (
empty room )
Drop a wumpus in a randomly picked room. Choose a room, Not the wumpus
room!, for the player
On a move, traverse all the rooms connected to your players room, But
only to a depth of 2 rooms,
you would look at a total of 16 rooms. 4 rooms first pass, If the wumpus
is within 1 room,
"you see a wumpus", if it's 2 levels out, "you smell a wumpus".
Then you
move. I don't remember if
you treat the edges as blocked "you can't go that way", or wrap to the
other side.
If your room is the wumpus room, game over. The diagram below shows the
search pattern.
P is player, 1's are first level search "i see a wumpus", 2's are "
i
smell a wumpus"
N
XX2XX
X212X
W 21P12 E
X212X
XX2XX
S
I smell a wumpus. "W"
N
XXWXX
X212X
W 21P12 E
X212X
XX2XX
S
Have fun.
Jim Davis.
healyzh(a)aracnet.com wrote:
Gee, I had so much fun with that thing. OMSI had
one, I once tried to
build a very simple serial computer with the thing. With 8 JK-FF, it's
really difficult. This was back in 73 at the west lab. I have to agree,
$250 is quite a bit. Loved the wood case and the high quality
construction.
Hello to Jim Willing and Gary Oliver.
Jim Davis.
How could OMSI have sunk this low? I never was aware of any of this when I
was growing up and visiting there in the 70's and 80's. However, you go
there now and they just don't have any cool exhibits like they used to.
What I would really love to find is a Graphical version of "Hunt the Wumpus"
like they had. That was a really simple game, but really cool. I'd
probably write it myself if I could remember enough about how it went.
Zane
15 Sep
15 Sep
12:10 a.m.
New subject: TOT: Wumpus, Was:DEC Computer Labs available
Hi,
Oops, I just re-read your post. The terminal you are refering to was
connected to a HP2000-c With the break key disabled.
We pulled the keycap off and removed the washer,
trying to get into the into the system but it didn't work.
I think it was an televideo terminal. Regardless,
Wumpus would be a great beginner programming project.
Anyone remember cutting HS classes to go to the educational computer
expo at the Portland Hilton hotel? ( for 3 years in a row ) And stealing
passwords from the math teachers at the bank of asr33's who
didn't notice. You would have needed a neon sign and a sledge hammer,
since their attention was focused on finding the next letter to
press on the KB.
Jim Davis wrote:
<snip>
healyzh(a)aracnet.com wrote:
>
<snip>
> What I would really love to find is a Graphical
version of "Hunt the Wumpus"
> like they had. That was a really simple game, but really cool. I'd
> probably write it myself if I could remember enough about how it went.
>
> Zane
6:03 a.m.
New subject: TOT: Wumpus, Was:DEC Computer Labs available
-> Wumpus, easy game. create a 2D room matrix, initialize with nothing
(empty room )
IIRC, the original matrix was best visualized as being a "squashed
dodecahedron".
<snip>
-> I don't remember if you treat the edges as blocked "you can't go that
way", or
-> wrap to the other side.
The original Wampus didn't need to wrap, because every room had adjacent
rooms.
There is a good write-up of the game in one of the early issues of Byte
magazine (within the first three years).
Bill
53 41 4E 54 41 4E 53
6:57 a.m.
New subject: TOT: Wumpus, Was:DEC Computer Labs available
On Fri, 15 Sep 2000, Bill Dawson wrote:
53 41 4E 54 41 4E 53
S A N T A N S
?
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------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Looking for a six in a pile of nines...
VCF 4.0 is September 30-October 1
San Jose Convention Center, San Jose, California
See http://www.vintage.org for details!
10:45 p.m.
New subject: TOT: Wumpus, Was:DEC Computer Labs available
Mashcii!
My mistake.
Bill
53 41 4E 54 41 4E 41
^
^
-> On Fri, 15 Sep 2000, Sellam Ismail wrote:
->
-> > On Fri, 15 Sep 2000, Bill Dawson wrote:
-> >
-> > > 53 41 4E 54 41 4E 53
-> >
-> > S A N T A N S
->
-> Santa? Or Satan?
->
11:22 a.m.
New subject: TOT: Wumpus, Was:DEC Computer Labs available
Wumpus, easy game. create a 2D room matrix, initialize with nothing (
empty room )
Drop a wumpus in a randomly picked room. Choose a room, Not the wumpus
room!, for the player
Wumpus in the classic sense is an easy game. However, the version that OMSI
had in the early 80's included at least two special rooms where you could do
other stuff. Think of a cross between rogue and wumpus maybe is the best
way to explain it. IIRC, there was a library and a chemist (can't for the
life of me remember what the other rooms were for.
Zane
9:53 p.m.
Most likely a Tek 4010, If it was the RSTS version I'm thinking of.
It was such a minimalist game, it could run on anything.
Sounds like a good contest. The smallest "hunt the wumpus" game.
Teco would probably win.
JimD.
BTW: Jim Willing, Get back you to tomorrow. Too much to write tonight.
Jim Davis.
Aaron Nabil wrote:
On Thu, 14 Sep 2000 healyzh(a)aracnet.com wrote:
What I would really love to find is a Graphical
version of "Hunt the Wumpus"
like they had. That was a really simple game, but really cool.
What did it run on?
--
Aaron Nabil 
10:27 p.m.
On Thu, 14 Sep 2000, Jim Davis wrote:
Most likely a Tek 4010, If it was the RSTS version
I'm thinking of.
It was such a minimalist game, it could run on anything.
Sounds like a good contest. The smallest "hunt the wumpus" game.
Teco would probably win.
JimD.
BTW: Jim Willing, Get back you to tomorrow. Too much to write tonight.
Jim Davis.
It's possible I have a copy of it then, I have all of their PDP-8 software
on DECtape and there were a few PDP-11 tapes as well, some of them RSTS
stuff.
--
Aaron Nabil
15 Sep
15 Sep
11:25 a.m.
I kind of doubt it, the Tek 4010 wasn't colour was it? The game I'm
thinking of was actually colour as well as having graphics (which were
actually very good for the time).
Zane
Most likely a Tek 4010, If it was the RSTS version
I'm thinking of.
It was such a minimalist game, it could run on anything.
Sounds like a good contest. The smallest "hunt the wumpus" game.
Teco would probably win.
JimD.
BTW: Jim Willing, Get back you to tomorrow. Too much to write tonight.
Jim Davis.
Aaron Nabil wrote:
On Thu, 14 Sep 2000 healyzh(a)aracnet.com wrote:
What I would really love to find is a Graphical
version of "Hunt the Wumpus"
like they had. That was a really simple game, but really cool.
What did it run on?
--
Aaron Nabil
2:42 p.m.
On Fri, 15 Sep 2000 healyzh(a)aracnet.com wrote:
I kind of doubt it, the Tek 4010 wasn't colour was
it? The game I'm
thinking of was actually colour as well as having graphics (which were
actually very good for the time).
They used to have a lot of Ohio Scientific "Challenger" series hardware,
could it have been one of those?
--
Aaron Nabil
3:47 p.m.
On Fri, 15 Sep 2000 healyzh(a)aracnet.com wrote:
I wish I knew. I've been trying to remember as much about it as I can. As
I recall it had the following characteristics:
-Colour Graphics (and very good quality for time, I think 4 or 16 colour)
-At least two "special" caves/locations that had stuff in them
-Sort of looped instead of going in a geometric pattern like normal Wumpus
-I don't think it had a real keyboard, instead you had buttons you pushed for
direction and a couple other things
Zane
I kind of doubt it, the Tek 4010 wasn't
colour was it? The game I'm
thinking of was actually colour as well as having graphics (which were
actually very good for the time).
They used to have a lot of Ohio Scientific "Challenger" series hardware,
could it have been one of those?
--
Aaron Nabil
16 Sep
16 Sep
3:32 p.m.
New subject: Wumpus (was: DEC Computer Labs available)
At 01:25 PM 9/15/00, healyzh(a)aracnet.com wrote:
I kind of doubt it, the Tek 4010 wasn't colour was
it? The game I'm
thinking of was actually colour as well as having graphics (which were
actually very good for the time).
Definitely not a Tek 4010 then, (he says with some level of confidence
since he has one sitting in front of him) as it is a vector storage display
terminal like most of the 40xx line. Unless of course you count green as
being color. (the only thing it knows how to draw)
-jim
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The Computer Garage - http://www.computergarage.org
Computer Garage Fax - (503) 646-0174
8:53 p.m.
New subject: Wumpus (was: DEC Computer Labs available)
At 01:25 PM 9/15/00, healyzh(a)aracnet.com wrote:
Jim,
Yeh, it was bitmapped. I don't suppose you remember anything like that?
It was on the upper floor in the middle. It was the newer section that
they added in like the late 70's or early 80's. In the early to mid 80's
it was there and a few feet away was that tube based computer they had in a
static display, and they also had a computer a few feet away running
something like "ELIZA" (think that's the name of the psuedo shrink).
Zane
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I kind of doubt it, the Tek 4010 wasn't colour
was it? The game I'm
thinking of was actually colour as well as having graphics (which were
actually very good for the time).
Definitely not a Tek 4010 then, (he says with some level of confidence
since he has one sitting in front of him) as it is a vector storage display
terminal like most of the 40xx line. Unless of course you count green as
being color. (the only thing it knows how to draw) 
15 Sep
15 Sep
7:09 a.m.
New subject: UNIX and games (was: DEC computer labs)
On Thu, 14 Sep 2000, Aaron Nabil wrote:
[re: Wumpus]
What did it run on?
Is this a sign that I'm getting old ebcause I can remember when any
reasonable UNIX box had the standard assortment of games installed on
it, which were often distributed with the O.S. and found in the
printed man pages, like Wumpus, Adventure, Hangman, etc.? Such are
the problems of the Linuxization and SCOization of *NIX. What is the
world coming to? :-(
Of course, as I've said many times before, if you want to play the ultimate
text-only adventure game, play VAX/VMS - if you win, you get to play UNIX,
if you lose, you get stuck with some random Microsoft OS and an evil elf
appears out of nowhere, steals all your gold and suddenly the magic word,
XYZZY, no longer works. Now, what do you want to do?
--
R. D. Davis "The best way to gain a true understanding of
rdd(a)perqlogic.com Wile E. Coyote on the Roadrunner cartoons is to
http://www.perqlogic.com/rdd fly, head-first, off a horse into something like
410-744-4900 a fence or a tree; trust me, this works." --RDD
8 a.m.
New subject: UNIX and games (was: DEC computer labs)
"R. D. Davis" wrote:
Is this a sign that I'm getting old ebcause I can
remember when any
reasonable UNIX box had the standard assortment of games installed on
it, which were often distributed with the O.S. and found in the
printed man pages, like Wumpus, Adventure, Hangman, etc.? Such are
the problems of the Linuxization and SCOization of *NIX. What is the
world coming to? :-(
I might not have as much experience with older stuff as most, but it
seems to me that those standards are adhered to, at least on the
machines I run here:
<taken from my SuSE machine>
harrison@persuasion:/usr/games/bin > ls
adventure bcd factor monop ppt rot13 trek
arithmetic caesar fish morse primes sail wargames
atc canfield gomoku number quiz snake worm
backgammon cfscores hangman phantasia rain snscore worms
banner cribbage hunt pig random teachgammon wump
battlestar dm mille pom robots tetris-bsd
My wife wouldn't run any type of UNIX if she couldn't play "adventure".
And that would seriously limit my computer buying abilities.
Come to think of it, my IRIX box doesn't have wumpus. Nor my NeXT.
Ugh!
--
Tim Harrison
Network Engineer
harrison(a)timharrison.com
http://www.networklevel.com/
8:20 a.m.
New subject: UNIX and games (was: DEC computer labs)
Actually, my alltime favorite text-based game was on VMS..called
conquest (multiplayer spacewar...totally awsome). Thankfully, someone
recently converted it to run on unix (since I no longer have access to a
VMS system)..so now I can run it on one of my unix boxes .... even my laptop!
-Bob
On Thu, 14 Sep 2000, Aaron Nabil wrote:
[re: Wumpus]
Bob Brown
Saved by grace
Intranet Sysadmin Page: http://info1.harper.cc.il.us/~bbrown
What did it run on?
Is this a sign that I'm getting old ebcause I can remember when any
reasonable UNIX box had the standard assortment of games installed on
it, which were often distributed with the O.S. and found in the
printed man pages, like Wumpus, Adventure, Hangman, etc.? Such are
the problems of the Linuxization and SCOization of *NIX. What is the
world coming to? :-(
Of course, as I've said many times before, if you want to play the ultimate
text-only adventure game, play VAX/VMS - if you win, you get to play UNIX,
if you lose, you get stuck with some random Microsoft OS and an evil elf
appears out of nowhere, steals all your gold and suddenly the magic word,
XYZZY, no longer works. Now, what do you want to do?
--
R. D. Davis "The best way to gain a true understanding of
rdd(a)perqlogic.com Wile E. Coyote on the Roadrunner cartoons is to
http://www.perqlogic.com/rdd fly, head-first, off a horse into something like
410-744-4900 a fence or a tree; trust me, this works." --RDD 
8:40 a.m.
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At 06:40 PM 9/15/00 +0100, Tony Duell wrote:
...
There are many versions that run on an equally large number of computers...
I have a two versions of wumpus, tailored a bit for the Sol computer,
but that shouldn't interfere with the game logic. Both come from a
Creative Computing cassette, which the list's Bob Stek sent to me
to archive on my Sol web site. Here are direct links to the two programs,
which were detokenized using a small perl script:
http://www.thebattles.net/sol20/stek/strategy/wmpus.bas
http://www.thebattles.net/sol20/stek/strategy/wmps2.bas
Wumpus II has a few different cave topologies.
-----
Jim Battle == frustum(a)pacbell.net
9:29 p.m.
New subject: UNIX and games (was: DEC computer labs)
Heh, I was working totally from memory on the wumpus description.
Totally fragged, sleepy, and after a few drinks memory. Seems I
merged some of the logic of a couple of grid games to create
something that is not only unplayable, but has no goal.
I looked up wumpus and the memories came rushing back.
Oops.
Jim Davis.
Jim Battle wrote:
At 06:40 PM 9/15/00 +0100, Tony Duell wrote:
...
There are many versions that run on an equally large number of computers...
I have a two versions of wumpus, tailored a bit for the Sol computer,
but that shouldn't interfere with the game logic. Both come from a
Creative Computing cassette, which the list's Bob Stek sent to me
to archive on my Sol web site. Here are direct links to the two programs,
which were detokenized using a small perl script:
http://www.thebattles.net/sol20/stek/strategy/wmpus.bas
http://www.thebattles.net/sol20/stek/strategy/wmps2.bas
Wumpus II has a few different cave topologies.
-----
Jim Battle == frustum(a)pacbell.net 
8:41 a.m.
New subject: UNIX and games (was: DEC computer labs)
"R. D. Davis" wrote:
On Thu, 14 Sep 2000, Aaron Nabil wrote:
[re: Wumpus]
http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/games/strategy/
It's in there! BTW the first game I ever played was Adventure. I was supposed
to be learning BASIC on a PDP 11 (huge rack) but it was later moved over to
a pyramid. I managed to get an A in BASIC but I can't ever remember taking
the course. I do remember fixing other peoples syntax, it interrupted my game
(usually when a gnome appeared, I remember killing many a greasy gnome!).
What did it run on?
Is this a sign that I'm getting old ebcause I can remember when any
reasonable UNIX box had the standard assortment of games installed on
it, which were often distributed with the O.S. and found in the
printed man pages, like Wumpus, Adventure, Hangman, etc.? Such are
the problems of the Linuxization and SCOization of *NIX. What is the
world coming to? :-( Of course, as I've said many times before, if you
want to play the ultimate
text-only adventure game, play VAX/VMS - if you win, you get to play UNIX,
if you lose, you get stuck with some random Microsoft OS and an evil elf
appears out of nowhere, steals all your gold and suddenly the magic word,
XYZZY, no longer works. Now, what do you want to do?
CTRL-ALT-DEL
--
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http://members.home.net/ncherry (Text only)
http://meltingpot.fortunecity.com/lightsey/52 (Graphics)
http://linuxha.sourceforge.net/ (SourceForge)
11:30 a.m.
New subject: UNIX and games (was: DEC computer labs)
R. D. Davis wrote:
Of course, as I've said many times before, if you
want to play the ultimate
text-only adventure game, play VAX/VMS - if you win, you get to play UNIX,
if you lose, you get stuck with some random Microsoft OS and an evil elf
appears out of nowhere, steals all your gold and suddenly the magic word,
XYZZY, no longer works. Now, what do you want to do?
Heh, heh... I like that, but you've got it backwards. You start by playing
UNIX, and if you win you get to play OpenVMS!
Zane
3:48 p.m.
New subject: UNIX and games (was: DEC computer labs)
Heh, heh... I like that, but you've got it
backwards. You start by playing
UNIX, and if you win you get to play OpenVMS!
No, you've BOTH got it wrong.
You start with VMS. If you quit playing and switch to Unix, *then* you
win. :-)
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jpdavis＠gorge.net -
korpela＠ellie.ssl.berkeley.edu -
kyrrin＠bluefeathertech.com -
nabil＠SpiritOne.com -
ncherry＠home.net -
rdd＠smart.net -
transit＠lerctr.org -
whdawson＠mlynk.com