20 Oct
2003
20 Oct
'03
1:19 p.m.
Greetings;
I am faced with picking up a sizeable IBM some hours from where I live in
the next few weeks.
What I had originally planned to do has fallen through, and now I am left
trying to work out how best to lift what has been estimated as 800+lbs of
1978 IBM.
I have a decent half-ton pickup truck, its more than plenty for carrying
this machine home. The magic trick is - how do I get the heavy sucker into
the deck?
I was planning on "borrowing" another truck with a lift-gate on it, to
lift the IBM up to the pickup deck height, and then waffling it into the
pickup. That has fallen through, and actually renting one is, as far as
I'm concerned, cost prohibitive ($78 + 29c/mile + $150 deposit).
If you were to move this IBM, how would you have done it?
Keep in mind while I can cover $100 worth of gas for my pickup - more than
that is a pinch.
JP
20 Oct
20 Oct
1:40 p.m.
If you were to move this IBM, how would you have done
it?
Keep in mind while I can cover $100 worth of gas for my pickup - more than
that is a pinch.
Get a tilting flatbed trailer, or one that can be forced to the ground
without damage and with the thing unhitched, and get a cumalong or winch.
800 pounds is easy this way.
William Donzelli
aw288(a)osfn.org
2:12 p.m.
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003, JP Hindin wrote:
If you were to move this IBM, how would you have done
it?
Given the limitations you've mentioned, I wouldn't. But, there are
alternatives.
Perhaps a cherry picker (automobile engine hoist) might work? What's the
heaviest load a cherry picker can hoist?
Is there a forklift anywhere near where you are picking up the machine?
They can at least load it that way, but off-loading it will be an issue.
Well, you could build a very sturdy ramp to off-load it, but I wouldn't
want to be behind it or anywhere within 50 feet of its path when you push
it over the edge.
Perhaps you can rent a car towing trailer? Those are very low to the
ground generally and you may be able to push it onto the tracks. Renting
one may well be much cheaper than a truck with a lift gate.
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2:30 p.m.
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003, Vintage Computer Festival wrote:
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003, JP Hindin wrote:
> If you were to move this IBM, how would you have done it?
Is there a forklift anywhere near where you are
picking up the machine?
They can at least load it that way, but off-loading it will be an issue.
I've
already looked into it, and unfortunately not.
There is, however, a forklift HERE - so unloading it isn't an issue. It's
just working out how to get the sucker loaded all the way down in Arkansas
:P
Perhaps you can rent a car towing trailer? Those are
very low to the
ground generally and you may be able to push it onto the tracks. Renting
one may well be much cheaper than a truck with a lift gate.
Tempted. For reasons I
won't go into, I've been told that I cannot use a
trailor by the person who actually owns the vehicle - I only drive it.
Transmissions and various reasons like that. Asides from whether or not I
agree or believe this - I'm just trying to make do with what I have.
I believe I'll probably put together a pair of sturdy oak ramps, maybe
12" wide, that hook to the bumper of the truck. Then I'll use a winch to
pull the IBM up the incline - although I'm not sure yet what to use under
the lower end to stop it grating on the ground once its picked up off its
casters... Perhaps a skateboard? :)
JP
2:58 p.m.
Is there a
forklift anywhere near where you are picking up the machine?
They can at least load it that way, but off-loading it will be an issue.
I've
already looked into it, and unfortunately not. 
3:37 p.m.
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003, JP Hindin wrote:
I believe I'll probably put together a pair of
sturdy oak ramps, maybe
12" wide, that hook to the bumper of the truck. Then I'll use a winch to
pull the IBM up the incline - although I'm not sure yet what to use under
the lower end to stop it grating on the ground once its picked up off its
casters... Perhaps a skateboard? :)
a furniture dolly (a skateboard consisting of casters and a framework made
of 2x4's), sometimes padded with carpet (about $15 at Harbor Freight)
They're also a source for tie-downs, ramps, and for "ramp ends" (brackets
to put on the end of your own 2x8's
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=4698
Do you have an adequate winch/"come-along"?
Is it 800 pounds TOTAL, or is the largest piece 800 pounds?
(If 800 is just the total, then the smaller pieces won't be a problem)
If this is the one that I think that it might be, the current/previous
owner might have some use for an extra portable ramp, and maybe you could
work that into the deal?
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27 Oct
27 Oct
8:59 a.m.
New subject: Looking for IMSAI 8080 Processor Card
Just checking to see if anyone has an extra one or one they'd be able to
part with in general that I could purchase/trade for. Need one to
renovate an IMSAI I have that was missing the card when I recieved it.
Marty
20 Oct
20 Oct
2:42 p.m.
Vintage Computer Festival wrote:
Perhaps a cherry picker (automobile engine hoist)
might work? What's the
heaviest load a cherry picker can hoist?
800lbs would be pushing it, I do believe. Plus, if this IBM is tall it
won't be able to lift it high enough.
Perhaps you can rent a car towing trailer? Those are
very low to the
ground generally and you may be able to push it onto the tracks. Renting
one may well be much cheaper than a truck with a lift gate.
Do you mean a tow dolly? Those don't have decks on them, just a spot
for each of 2 wheels.
Chad Fernandez
Michigan, USA
3:39 p.m.
> Perhaps you can rent a car towing trailer? Those
are very low to the
> ground generally and you may be able to push it onto the tracks. Renting
> one may well be much cheaper than a truck with a lift gate.
On Mon, 20 Oct
2003, Chad Fernandez wrote:
Do you mean a tow dolly? Those don't have decks
on them, just a spot
for each of 2 wheels.
I'm pretty sure that he means a lowslung flatbed trailer, which is how we
used transport cars before the dollies became popular.
7:21 p.m.
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003, Chad Fernandez wrote:
I would be referring to a full-length vehicle trailer.
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Perhaps you
can rent a car towing trailer? Those are very low to the
ground generally and you may be able to push it onto the tracks. Renting
one may well be much cheaper than a truck with a lift gate.
Do you mean a tow dolly? Those don't have decks on them, just a spot
for each of 2 wheels.
7:53 p.m.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2566653432
that is one hell of a hand truck!
21 Oct
21 Oct
7:13 a.m.
I would *love* to have one of these. Too bad it's so expensive.
Peace... Sridhar
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003, Fred Cisin wrote:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2566653432
that is one hell of a hand truck!
5:15 a.m.
Oh, I guess the car trailers that I have seen aren't as low as I was
thinking you meant.
Chad Fernandez
Michigan, USA
Vintage Computer Festival wrote:
Do you mean a
tow dolly? Those don't have decks on them, just a spot
for each of 2 wheels.
I would be referring to a full-length vehicle trailer.
7:11 p.m.
Well, I use "Hyster" (right arm) & "Allis-Chalmers" (left arm).
Tee, hee,
hee!
On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:15:12 -0400, "Chad Fernandez"
<fernande(a)internet1.net> said:
Oh, I guess the car trailers that I have seen
aren't as low as I was
thinking you meant.
Chad Fernandez
Michigan, USA
Vintage Computer Festival wrote:
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Do you
mean a tow dolly? Those don't have decks on them, just a spot
for each of 2 wheels.
I would be referring to a full-length vehicle trailer.
20 Oct
20 Oct
2:24 p.m.
LOL... I had an interesting way back when I got my Series/1. Loading
into a minivan mind you... When it got to the loading dock there were
plenty of old cardboard boxes around(big ones!), so we piled them all
up next to the rack and tilted it over... Wham! Once "safely" on its
side, moved it into position and shoved into the back. Lots of fun!
Probably not the greatest idea, but that thing was rock solid.
-JR
3:32 p.m.
On Monday, October 20, 2003, at 07:24 PM, John Rollins wrote:
LOL... I had an interesting way back when I got my
Series/1. Loading
into a minivan mind you... When it got to the loading dock there were
plenty of old cardboard boxes around(big ones!), so we piled them all
up next to the rack and tilted it over... Wham! Once "safely" on its
side, moved it into position and shoved into the back. Lots of fun!
Probably not the greatest idea, but that thing was rock solid.
-JR
Heh, you should have seen how I got my Prime minicomputer home... I
used my dad's Pontiac Bonneville with a Uhaul trailer, and two friends
volunteered to help. Getting it into the trailer was fun. We built a
ramp with an old pallet and some plywood, and were able to shove the
tape drive and the hard drive cabinet up into the trailer. The system
unit was fun, since it was heavier, and strapped to a small pallet. We
used a pallet jack and jacket it up, then shoved the pallet jack up the
ramp. I ended up just taking the pallet jack with me, I only lived a
mile away and they said I could borrow it, so then we offloaded in a
similar fashion. Getting the computer into the basement was fun too. I
have a walk out basement, but there is a pretty good hill going down to
the back yard. I had quite a time running backward behind a Prime 5340
on a pallet jack, trying to keep myself from being run over, and trying
to slow the computer down. All went fine, getting the smaller drive
cabinets into the basement was easy. The system unit, however, was
about a half inch larger than the sliding glass door in the basement,
and very, very heavy. I ended up having to dismantle it into the four
'slices', and carry them in individually. I got everything in and set
up, but at the moment, I don't know enough about the hardware to get it
to boot. The Prime is the biggest computer I have ever moved, but I
would imagine that others have much larger systems... One of these
days, I hope to find a PDP 11 or a VAX, but I have no idea how to go
about moving something as large as an old IBM system. The best thing I
could suggest is to talk to someone that moves refrigerators. and maybe
borrow one of those heavy duty dolly things, I think they are called
refrigerator movers. Good luck with it.
Ian Primus
ian_primus(a)yahoo.com
7:26 p.m.
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003, Ian Primus wrote:
the back yard. I had quite a time running backward
behind a Prime 5340
on a pallet jack, trying to keep myself from being run over, and trying
to slow the computer down. All went fine, getting the smaller drive
!!!
You're lucky you weren't killed! Never, ever, ever, ever, EVER, walk in
front of a heavy load like that downhill. I don't care how strong and/or
confident you are.
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21 Oct
21 Oct
7:12 a.m.
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003, Vintage Computer Festival wrote:
I've done what he described, but the pallet jack I was using had a brake
that activated when you release the handle. I wouldn't have done it
without that brake.
If you have a large enough number of people on a load, you can survive
quite a lot. I once had a VAX 6000 fall on me from a little more than two
feet off the ground. Because there were enough people to move it before
it crushed me (and they were all paying attention), I got off with just
sore joints and muscles.
Peace... Sridhar
the back yard.
I had quite a time running backward behind a Prime 5340
on a pallet jack, trying to keep myself from being run over, and
trying to slow the computer down. All went fine, getting the smaller
drive
!!!
You're lucky you weren't killed! Never, ever, ever, ever, EVER, walk in
front of a heavy load like that downhill. I don't care how strong
and/or confident you are. 
8:43 a.m.
And thusly vance(a)neurotica.com spake:
If you have a large enough number of people on a load, you can survive
quite a lot. I once had a VAX 6000 fall on me from a little more than two
feet off the ground. Because there were enough people to move it before
it crushed me (and they were all paying attention), I got off with just
sore joints and muscles.
hmmmm... The Attack of the VAX? ;-)
Cheers,
Bryan
3:19 p.m.
On Tuesday, October 21, 2003, at 12:26 AM, Vintage Computer Festival
wrote:
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003, Ian Primus wrote:
Well, I wasn't _intending_ to do that... I had two friends helping me,
and we were slowly working it down, when one person tripped and the
other one couldn't hold on, I just happened to pretty close to in front
of it at the time, and ended up directly in front of it, pushing
against it to slow it down. Everything worked out fine, but next time I
try to move something like that, I am going to talk more friends into
helping me. Maybe if I bribe them with pizza...
Ian Primus
ian_primus(a)yahoo.com
the back yard. I had quite a time running
backward behind a Prime 5340
on a pallet jack, trying to keep myself from being run over, and
trying
to slow the computer down. All went fine, getting the smaller drive
!!!
You're lucky you weren't killed! Never, ever, ever, ever, EVER, walk
in
front of a heavy load like that downhill. I don't care how strong
and/or
confident you are.
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6:18 p.m.
On Tue, 21 Oct 2003, Ian Primus wrote:
Well, I wasn't _intending_ to do that... I had two
friends helping me,
and we were slowly working it down, when one person tripped and the
other one couldn't hold on, I just happened to pretty close to in front
of it at the time, and ended up directly in front of it, pushing
against it to slow it down. Everything worked out fine, but next time I
try to move something like that, I am going to talk more friends into
helping me. Maybe if I bribe them with pizza...
Yeah, get some friends with more athletic skills as well ;)
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8:48 p.m.
On Tue, 21 Oct 2003, Ian Primus wrote:
Sellam, this sounds like something you might want to consider for the
next VCF. Sure, the retrocode challenge is interesting, but a
"stop-the-runaway-rack-of-heavy-iron" competition would bring down the
house.
Well, I wasn't _intending_ to do that... I
had two friends
helping me,
and we were slowly working it down, when one
person tripped and the
other one couldn't hold on, I just happened to pretty close to in
front of it at the time, and ended up directly in front of
it, pushing
against it to slow it down. Everything worked out
fine, but
next time
I try to move something like that, I am going to
talk more friends
into helping me. Maybe if I bribe them with pizza...
Yeah, get some friends with more athletic skills as well ;)
9:23 p.m.
Perhaps competition of pushing the iron racks up steep inclines.....
Lombard street should work well as test area. pretty scary incline...
also one that was always my favorite was the hp 2100 restuffing
contest.... we used to do this at Computer Exchange Inc.. when we had too
much time on our hands.... you take all the cards out, place them in a
wicker basket mix them up and when you hear start... you begin
reassembly... if you want to liven it up you have 4 people play and all
the cards go into one batch.... really messy with 4 people trying to elbow
in to snatch cards.... and yes... the processor has to run when you are
done! no broken parts allowed!
Thanks Ed Sharpe archivist for SMECC
Please check our web site at
http://www.smecc.org
to see other engineering fields, communications and computation stuff we
buy, and by all means when in Arizona drop in and see us.
address:
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From: "Wayne M. Smith" <wmsmith(a)earthlink.net>
To: "'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'"
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Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 10:48 PM
Subject: RE: How do _you_ move equipment? What "tools" do you use?
On Tue, 21 Oct
2003, Ian Primus wrote:
Sellam, this sounds like something you might want to consider for the
next VCF. Sure, the retrocode challenge is interesting, but a
"stop-the-runaway-rack-of-heavy-iron" competition would bring down the
house.
Well, I wasn't _intending_ to do that... I
had two friends
helping me,
and we were slowly working it down, when one
person tripped and the
other one couldn't hold on, I just happened to pretty close to in
front of it at the time, and ended up directly in front of
it, pushing
against it to slow it down. Everything worked out
fine, but
next time
I try to move something like that, I am going to
talk more friends
into helping me. Maybe if I bribe them with pizza...
Yeah, get some friends with more athletic skills as well ;)
22 Oct
22 Oct
4:36 a.m.
At 10:48 PM 10/21/03 -0700, you wrote:
You could call it the Big VAX Attack! (Sorry, couldn't resist)
Personally I'd like to see the Sudden Braking competition using the VAX
in a Pinto.
Joe
On Tue, 21 Oct
2003, Ian Primus wrote:
Sellam, this sounds like something you might want to consider for the
next VCF. Sure, the retrocode challenge is interesting, but a
"stop-the-runaway-rack-of-heavy-iron" competition would bring down the
house.
Well, I wasn't _intending_ to do that... I
had two friends
helping me,
and we were slowly working it down, when one
person tripped and the
other one couldn't hold on, I just happened to pretty close to in
front of it at the time, and ended up directly in front of
it, pushing
against it to slow it down. Everything worked out
fine, but
next time
I try to move something like that, I am going to
talk more friends
into helping me. Maybe if I bribe them with pizza...
Yeah, get some friends with more athletic skills as well ;)
5:10 a.m.
Sellam, this sounds like something you might want to
consider for the
next VCF. Sure, the retrocode challenge is interesting, but a
"stop-the-runaway-rack-of-heavy-iron" competition would bring down the
house.
Rack Races! One guy stands inside the rack and two teammates push like
mad. Now THAT would be hysterical. :)
g.
5:16 a.m.
On Wed, 22 Oct 2003, Gene Buckle wrote:
Not fair! Some have wheels/rollers, other dont!
But, to make it more visually appealing: replace the 'guy inside'
with a local cutie. More more fun to look at....
Cheers,
Fred
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Sellam, this
sounds like something you might want to consider for the
next VCF. Sure, the retrocode challenge is interesting, but a
"stop-the-runaway-rack-of-heavy-iron" competition would bring down the
house.
Rack Races! One guy stands inside the rack and two teammates push like
mad. Now THAT would be hysterical. :)
5:32 a.m.
And thusly Fred N. van Kempen spake:
On Wed, 22 Oct 2003, Gene Buckle wrote:
Not fair! Some have wheels/rollers, other dont!
But, to make it more visually appealing: replace the 'guy inside'
with a local cutie. More more fun to look at....
"Wow what a rack!" will be heard throughout....
Cheers,
Bryan
Sellam,
this sounds like something you might want to consider for the
next VCF. Sure, the retrocode challenge is interesting, but a
"stop-the-runaway-rack-of-heavy-iron" competition would bring down the
house.
Rack Races! One guy stands inside the rack and two teammates push like
mad. Now THAT would be hysterical. :) 
7:58 a.m.
There was an episode of VCF "Fear Factor" unloading the KL-10 from a truck
at the Museum's loading dock thr first day.
Lee Courtney
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Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 10:48 PM
To: 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'
Subject: RE: How do _you_ move equipment? What "tools" do you use?
more friends
Sellam, this sounds like something you might want to consider for the
next VCF. Sure, the retrocode challenge is interesting, but a
"stop-the-runaway-rack-of-heavy-iron" competition would bring down the
house.
On Tue, 21 Oct 2003, Ian Primus wrote:
tripped and the
Well, I wasn't _intending_ to do that... I
had two friends
helping me,
> and we were slowly working it down, when one person other one
couldn't hold on, I just happened to pretty close to in
front of it at the time, and ended up directly in front of
it, pushing
against it to slow it down. Everything worked out
fine, but
next time
> I try to move something like that, I am going to talk into
helping me. Maybe if I bribe them with pizza...
Yeah, get some friends with more athletic skills as well ;)
8:01 a.m.
On Tue, 21 Oct 2003, Wayne M. Smith wrote:
Sellam, this sounds like something you might want to
consider for the
next VCF. Sure, the retrocode challenge is interesting, but a
"stop-the-runaway-rack-of-heavy-iron" competition would bring down the
house.
I love the idea but I think the insurance liability would be too expensive
:)
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20 Oct
20 Oct
5:52 p.m.
John Rollins wrote thus:
LOL... I had an interesting way back when I got my
Series/1. Loading
into a minivan mind you... When it got to the loading dock there were
plenty of old cardboard boxes around(big ones!), so we piled them all
up next to the rack and tilted it over... Wham! Once "safely" on its
side, moved it into position and shoved into the back. Lots of fun!
Probably not the greatest idea, but that thing was rock solid.
<grin!> When I got my 8/I, a friend and I moved it by tipping it onto
its side and sliding it into the back of his car...
...a Ford Pinto hatchback. :)
We then somehow crammed an ASR-33 Teletype in beside it, fit the
paper tape trays and documentation notebooks into every nook and gap
left in the car, and then tried to climb in. We succeeded. My elbows
were on the dashboard for the entire trip, and I was acutely aware
of the fact that any sudden braking would probably result in a
six-foot DEC cabinet sliding forward and packing me neatly into the
glove compartment.
The amazing thing is that we were, somehow, also able to close the
hatchback. :)
...We were young and stupid then. The next time I get a machine of
that size I'm hiring a truck and a crew and a furniture dolly and a
big ramp, thank you very much... or, at the very least, I won't be
using a Ford Pinto again. :) :)
-O.-
21 Oct
21 Oct
6:56 a.m.
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003, JP Hindin wrote:
I am faced with picking up a sizeable IBM some hours
from where I live
in the next few weeks. What I had originally planned to do has fallen
through, and now I am left trying to work out how best to lift what has
been estimated as 800+lbs of 1978 IBM.
Truck with liftgate is your friend.
I have a decent half-ton pickup truck, its more than
plenty for carrying
this machine home. The magic trick is - how do I get the heavy sucker
into the deck?
There are two methods:
1. Get a Forklift. Any forklift, even a tiny one will do.
2. Use a metal ramp and get six or seven large friends.
I was planning on "borrowing" another truck
with a lift-gate on it, to
lift the IBM up to the pickup deck height, and then waffling it into the
pickup. That has fallen through, and actually renting one is, as far as
I'm concerned, cost prohibitive ($78 + 29c/mile + $150 deposit).
If you were to move this IBM, how would you have done it? Keep in mind
while I can cover $100 worth of gas for my pickup - more than that is a
pinch.
With your limitations, find a few strong friends and use a metal moving
ramp.
Peace... Sridhar
12:38 p.m.
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003, JP Hindin wrote:
I am faced with picking up a sizeable IBM some hours
from where I live in
the next few weeks.
What I had originally planned to do has fallen through, and now I am left
trying to work out how best to lift what has been estimated as 800+lbs of
1978 IBM.
Heh. Heavy iron requires the use of heavy neighbors.
Er. Did I just say that?
Ahwell. Tis true. Although I can usually move the smaller stuff in
either my own (sedan) car, or a small van, big stuff needs a truck
with a not-too-high loading bay. I'd kill for a used U-Haul truck
here, really... those, albeit ragged down, are perfect for loading
up old iron...
And, then, of course, the neighbors and friends come into the
picture, 'cos at some point, the goods needs to be moved into a
storage, garage, or, in my case, upstairs room :)
(yes, that is always a neighborhood project here.. and they love it ;-)
Cheers,
Fred
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27 Oct
27 Oct
7:25 a.m.
On Mon, 2003-10-20 at 15:19, JP Hindin wrote:
Greetings;
I am faced with picking up a sizeable IBM some hours from where I live in
the next few weeks.
What I had originally planned to do has fallen through, and now I am left
trying to work out how best to lift what has been estimated as 800+lbs of
1978 IBM.
I have a decent half-ton pickup truck, its more than plenty for carrying
this machine home. The magic trick is - how do I get the heavy sucker into
the deck?
I was planning on "borrowing" another truck with a lift-gate on it, to
lift the IBM up to the pickup deck height, and then waffling it into the
pickup. That has fallen through, and actually renting one is, as far as
I'm concerned, cost prohibitive ($78 + 29c/mile + $150 deposit).
Gee I'm getting to be pretty good at moving stuff! I've rented 7-8
trucks in the last 6 months or so to move equipment (one just this last
weekend). A lift gate makes it so much easier. However you can make
due without one in a pinch.
A *sturdy* ramp and a come-along (hand winch) are required. In a pinch
you can use heavy plywood as the ramp but make sure it is supported
underneath otherwise it'll break.
If you have enough folks, you can "lever" it up into the bed of the
truck but this requires a fair amount of "lift" -- you'll need a number
of strong people.
I also use ratcheting tie down straps to secure the load. I have not
had any problems with loads coming loose with those (as opposed to
ropes).
Whatever you do make sure you think about safety! Be prepared to "let
it drop" if things get out of control! Make sure that you have at least
a couple of people around in case something bad happens -- it's no fun
being pinned under a heavy piece of equipment with no one around.
--
TTFN - Guy
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