24 May
2003
24 May
'03
8:32 p.m.
From: "Mike Ross"
<mross666(a)hotmail.com>
IBM made a bunch of printer terminals based around the
Selectric typewriter
- 1052, 2740, 2970 etc. Look in any old copy of BYTE, and you'll also find
several vendors were selling 3rd party terminals based around IBM
Selectrics, often converted for ASCII/RS-232c operation, as teletype
alternatives.
Where have they all gone? (I appreciate, from what I've heard, that many
folks who used them in anger would reply 'I don't know, I don't care, good
riddance!') Early DECwriters are not uncommon. Teletypes are (almost) ten a
penny, ASR33s show up frequently enough on ebay, I have several.
But the only Selectric based unit I've *seen* in over ten years of
collecting is a 2970 Reservation Termainal (see
http://www.corestore.org/2970-1.jpg ) which I was offered a year or so ago.
It needs a fair bit of TLC, and it's a print-only device; it can receive
data from a host and print it, but not send anything back from the keyboard.
I'd love to get a bidirectional equivalent to use as an 'authentic' terminal
for a 360 emulator I work with... any clues? Can anyone recommend a
Selectric repair shop? No way I want to try to fettle something THIS
mechanically-intimidating myself!
Look at my sig...you'll see where they've all gone :) I have a
dozen or so Selectric, Selectric II, and Selectric III typewriters,
mostly in various states of sticky disrepair.
Actually, I don't have any Selectric terminals, although I do have a
Selectric Memory Typewriter. My brother worked at a Byte Shop in the
late 70s, and recalls having either converted a Selectric or making a
conversion work.
I do have a manual from 1962 titled "IBM Customer Engineering Manual of
Instruction, I/O Printer, (Modified IBM Selectric), which shows the
glorious workings of this fascinating machine...the manual has lots of
text and diagrams explaining the Selectric mechanism, but not much in
the way of photos showing the solenoid mechanisms.
We were thinking a few years ago of trying to rig up a homebrew
conversion of one of my typewriters, but never got round to it. But I
did (in 1999?) see a conversion kit sell on ebay...and I was foolish
enough to not buy it.
--
Jim
Visit the Selectric Typewriter Museum!
http://www.mindspring.com/~jforbes2
24 May
24 May
11:48 p.m.
Are these based on a Selectric?
http://www.govliquidation.com/auction/view?auctionId=206563&convertTo=U…
This is the second time around for them in the sale.
regards, Dan Cohoe
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-admin(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org]On
Behalf Of J Forbes
Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2003 9:33 PM
To: Cassic Computing
Subject: Re: Where have all the Selectrics gone?
...............
From: "Mike Ross"
<mross666(a)hotmail.com>
IBM made a bunch of printer terminals based
around the
Selectric typewriter
> - 1052, 2740, 2970 etc. Look in any old copy of BYTE, and 
25 May
25 May
9:41 a.m.
A million for just 33? That's $33 thousand each. Sounds like Gvt. Fin.
mumbo-jumbo to me. Those machines couldn'tve cost $10K retail.
- - -
As aside. The business machine repair (read: typewriters) shop 10
miles from my house just closed. Wouldn't be surprised if it's the last
in the county. The New York times published a report on a similar,
prominent closing in NYC a couple of years ago. If there's one near
you don't expect it to last long.
John A.
11:38 a.m.
On Sun, 25 May 2003, John Allain wrote:
A million for just 33? That's $33 thousand each. Sounds like Gvt. Fin.
mumbo-jumbo to me. Those machines couldn'tve cost $10K retail.
- - -
As aside. The business machine repair (read: typewriters) shop 10
miles from my house just closed. Wouldn't be surprised if it's the
last in the county. The New York times published a report on a
similar, prominent closing in NYC a couple of years ago. If there's
one near you don't expect it to last long.
Checking in my local phone books, there look to be about a dozen or so
places still in business around the west side of Los Angeles. There is
url for one place:
<http://www.ibmtypewriters.com/>
Given the long history and the number of lawyers out here, I'm guessing
there will still be a need for typewriter repair shops for a number of
years.
-brian.
27 May
27 May
7:02 a.m.
On Sun, 25 May 2003, Brian Chase wrote:
Checking in my local phone books, there look to be
about a dozen or so
places still in business around the west side of Los Angeles. There is
url for one place:
<http://www.ibmtypewriters.com/>
Given the long history and the number of lawyers out here, I'm guessing
there will still be a need for typewriter repair shops for a number of
years.
There's only one left in New York City. There are a bunch more in
Jersey and some in Westchester and Long Island, but only one in the city.
Peace... Sridhar
7:03 a.m.
On Sun, 25 May 2003, John Allain wrote:
A million for just 33? That's $33 thousand each. Sounds like Gvt. Fin.
mumbo-jumbo to me. Those machines couldn'tve cost $10K retail.
Selectrics cost up to $12K retail, but with the government, you never
know.
Peace... Sridhar
25 May
25 May
12:41 a.m.
And what about the Termiprinters-none of them left now either I guess- think
I saw a couple of the answerback pcb's out in the garage recently-the ones
with a strappable diode matrix assy to program up the answerback code. Had
20 or so of the basic 300 baud variants pass thru my hands about 15 years
back but no idea where any of them are now. There was even a 'fast' version
(badged HP) that could print about twice as fast as the standard ones. Might
be some documentation still around here but may take some finding.
Any of them still out there 'in service'?
Dave Brown
Christchurch, NZ
----- Original Message -----
From: "J Forbes" <jforbes2(a)mindspring.com>
To: "Cassic Computing" <cctech(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2003 1:33 PM
Subject: Re: Where have all the Selectrics gone?
typewriter
From:
"Mike Ross" <mross666(a)hotmail.com>
> IBM made a bunch of printer terminals based around the Selectric > - 1052, 2740, 2970 etc. Look in any old copy of
BYTE, and you'll also
find
> several vendors were selling 3rd party terminals
based around IBM
> Selectrics, often converted for ASCII/RS-232c operation, as teletype
> alternatives.
>
> Where have they all gone? (I appreciate, from what I've heard, that many
> folks who used them in anger would reply 'I don't know, I don't care,
good
> riddance!') Early DECwriters are not
uncommon. Teletypes are (almost)
ten a
> penny, ASR33s show up frequently enough on ebay,
I have several.
>
> But the only Selectric based unit I've *seen* in over ten years of
> collecting is a 2970 Reservation Termainal (see
> http://www.corestore.org/2970-1.jpg ) which I was offered a year or so
ago.
> It needs a fair bit of TLC, and it's a
print-only device; it can receive
> data from a host and print it, but not send anything back from the
keyboard.
>
> I'd love to get a bidirectional equivalent to use as an 'authentic'
terminal
for a 360
emulator I work with... any clues? Can anyone recommend a
Selectric repair shop? No way I want to try to fettle something THIS
mechanically-intimidating myself!
Look at my sig...you'll see where they've all gone :) I have a
dozen or so Selectric, Selectric II, and Selectric III typewriters,
mostly in various states of sticky disrepair.
Actually, I don't have any Selectric terminals, although I do have a
Selectric Memory Typewriter. My brother worked at a Byte Shop in the
late 70s, and recalls having either converted a Selectric or making a
conversion work.
I do have a manual from 1962 titled "IBM Customer Engineering Manual of
Instruction, I/O Printer, (Modified IBM Selectric), which shows the
glorious workings of this fascinating machine...the manual has lots of
text and diagrams explaining the Selectric mechanism, but not much in
the way of photos showing the solenoid mechanisms.
We were thinking a few years ago of trying to rig up a homebrew
conversion of one of my typewriters, but never got round to it. But I
did (in 1999?) see a conversion kit sell on ebay...and I was foolish
enough to not buy it.
--
Jim
Visit the Selectric Typewriter Museum!
http://www.mindspring.com/~jforbes2 
4:10 p.m.
And what about the Termiprinters-none of them left now
either I guess- think
Are those the ones with the bammer bank and print belt, a bit like a mini
line printer? Not a true line printer, though -- a maximum of 4 hammers
can fire at a time since the PSU couldn't handle any more.
If so, I have a pair of them, along with the field service manual. No
complete schematics :-(. Mine started off as a 74 column KSR and a 118
column RO, but I moved the wider hammer bank into the KSR machine and
made the appropriate changes to the jumpering on the PCBs.THe only
problem was the print position indicator (a numeric display indicating
where the virtual printhead is) -- RO models didn't have it, and the one
in my KSR was only 2 digits (obviously). I added an extra red LED to
indicate the hundreds (no way could I get the original filament
displays). A kludge, but it worked...
I saw a couple of the answerback pcb's out in the
garage recently-the ones
with a strappable diode matrix assy to program up the answerback code. Had
I never had the answerback option.
20 or so of the basic 300 baud variants pass thru my
hands about 15 years
back but no idea where any of them are now. There was even a 'fast' version
(badged HP) that could print about twice as fast as the standard ones. Might
Mine are ICL-badged, and at least one has the 600 baud position.
-tony
26 May
26 May
7:12 a.m.
New subject: Where have all the Termiprinters (was Selectrics) gone?
Yep- That's them Tony. - Cardcage across the rear. Called a bustle, wasn't
it? I know there's still a manual of some sort round here but it's stored
away with other older handbooks. Can dig it out if it's likely to be of any
use. Had to part out two or three to get the rest all going concerns so
there may even be some of those displays still here. If you are interested I
will have a look.
All the ones I had were RO versions- they were used as local printers for
terminals hosted by an ICL (surprise!) mainframe which I also 'removed'.
Can't recall what it was though.
As a result of that enterprise we had orange 'washing machines' all over the
back yard for months. (They were about the right size, so that's what the
kids called them.) Actually CDC drives, from memory. The disk packs were
all of 60MB/s and they had a magnificent half horsepower single phase motor
driving them. Even now, relocating that monster and getting it all running
again would be a real challenge-back then (~1978) it was not even
considered.
Dave Brown
Christchurch, NZ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Duell" <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk>
To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: Where have all the Selectrics gone?
> And what about the Termiprinters-none of them
left now either I guess-
think
Are those the ones with the bammer bank and print belt, a bit like a mini
line printer? Not a true line printer, though -- a maximum of 4 hammers
can fire at a time since the PSU couldn't handle any more.
If so, I have a pair of them, along with the field service manual. No
complete schematics :-(. Mine started off as a 74 column KSR and a 118
column RO, but I moved the wider hammer bank into the KSR machine and
made the appropriate changes to the jumpering on the PCBs.THe only
problem was the print position indicator (a numeric display indicating
where the virtual printhead is) -- RO models didn't have it, and the one
in my KSR was only 2 digits (obviously). I added an extra red LED to
indicate the hundreds (no way could I get the original filament
displays). A kludge, but it worked...
> I saw a couple of the answerback pcb's out in the garage recently-the
ones
> with a strappable diode matrix assy to program up
the answerback code.
Had
I never had the answerback option.
> 20 or so of the basic 300 baud variants pass thru my hands about 15
years
> back but no idea where any of them are now. There
was even a 'fast'
version
> (badged HP) that could print about twice as fast
as the standard ones.
Might
Mine are ICL-badged, and at least one has the 600 baud position.
-tony
2:55 p.m.
New subject: Where have all the Termiprinters (was Selectrics) gone?
Hi,
"Dave Brown" <tractorb(a)ihug.co.nz> said:
All the ones I had were RO versions- they were used as
local printers for
terminals hosted by an ICL (surprise!) mainframe which I also 'removed'.
Can't recall what it was though.
I had the manual for these behind my desk in work and I took it home when
we went from ICL to Univac about 20yrs ago. Unfortunately I threw the
manual pages out (there was practically no interest in such things
then...) and all I have left is the ICL binder they came in.
I remember the orange and grey terminals well...
--
Cheers,
Stan Barr stanb(a)dial.pipex.com
The future was never like this!
5:32 p.m.
New subject: Where have all the Termiprinters (was Selectrics) gone?
Yep- That's them Tony. - Cardcage across the rear.
Called a bustle, wasn't
That's right :-). It's all coming back to me now...
it? I know there's still a manual of some sort
round here but it's stored
I have the full ICL service manual. It's not too bad on the mechanics
[1], but there's not much detail on the electronics ...
[1] Mind you, when I first got mine, I stripped down the hammer bank to
clean it then looked at the manual to find out how to put it together and
adjust it. The manual simply said it was not field repairable!. However,
I got it back without major problems...
away with other older handbooks. Can dig it out if
it's likely to be of any
use. Had to part out two or three to get the rest all going concerns so
there may even be some of those displays still here. If you are interested I
will have a look.
All the ones I had were RO versions- they were used as local printers for
The RO models never had the display AFAIK.
-tony
27 May
27 May
2:14 a.m.
New subject: Where have all the Termiprinters (was Selectrics) gone?
Someone else (Gene B) has just posted what I think is the answer to another
question I had- whether the termiprinter was an ICL development- sounds like
the GE Terminet is the same machine- so who made it first and who copied?
The high speed one I had was badged HP.
Tony-- The ROs I had were not all 'factory' --several were KSRs and simply
had the keyboards removed.
I'll have a look for those displays anyway and let you know.
DaveB
Christchurch, NZ
6:01 p.m.
New subject: Where have all the Termiprinters (was Selectrics) gone?
Tony-- The ROs I had were not all 'factory'
--several were KSRs and simply
had the keyboards removed.
I'll have a look for those displays anyway and let you know.
I guess what I really need to do it properly is one display digit module
and the little 9 pin connecotr (looks like a tiny version of a DE9, made
in grey plastic) that it fits into. But I don't _need_ this -- the LED
kludge works well enough...
-tony
7886
days inactive
7889
days old
12 comments
8 participants
participants (8)
-
allain＠panix.com -
ard＠p850ug1.demon.co.uk -
dancohoe＠oxford.net -
jforbes2＠mindspring.com -
stanb＠dial.pipex.com -
tractorb＠ihug.co.nz -
vance＠neurotica.com -
vaxzilla＠jarai.org