18 May
1999
18 May
'99
7:58 p.m.
About a week ago I was exclaiming my good fortune in being able to have
my VAXStation 2000 recognize a plain-vanilla Maxtor XT-2190 as an RD54
and proceed to format it. My concern being that if it did not recognize
it, I did not know where to find the data required. I have since found
it on www.vaxarchive.com.
My intent in formating the 2190 was to install it in my MicroVAX 2000
and have a sort of 'matched set'. I am a bit sadder and wiser now that
I have discovered that the MicroVAX is missing a rather large daughter
board that resides beneath the motherboard in the VAXStation, and
apparently carries the HDC and SCSI controller hardware.
This seems to leave using the MicroVAX as a satellite unit to the
VAXStation as the only alternative. Tried this, and MicroVAX tried to
boot from ESA0 while cabled to the VAXStation, but no-joy. Is the
problem that of not having things set up for cluster operation? If so,
how do I do that?
Keep it rather basic, please. I am pretty ignorant about all this.
- don
19 May
19 May
6:20 a.m.
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3:45 p.m.
On Wed, 19 May 1999, Zane H. Healy wrote:
I think not. How would I know? Are they listed on the "Key Options:"
line of the PAK?
This seems to
leave using the MicroVAX as a satellite unit to the
VAXStation as the only alternative. Tried this, and MicroVAX tried to
boot from ESA0 while cabled to the VAXStation, but no-joy. Is the
problem that of not having things set up for cluster operation? If so,
how do I do that?
Keep it rather basic, please. I am pretty ignorant about all this.
Um, I don't think there is a 'basic' answer. First a question, do you have
DECnet and Cluster licenses? If not you can get them as part of the Hobbyist licenses. I don't know how different
clustering on 5.5 differs
from 7.2, but you can look at the 7.2 clustering manuals at
http://www.openvms.digital.com:8000/
How much free disk space do you have on the VAXstation, and do you have the
DECwindows stuff installed?
SHOW DEV says that there are 120132 Free Blocks. I don't think that
DECwindows is installed. I am presently using a terminal vice monitor and
keyboard.
- don
Zane
5:24 p.m.
Um, I
don't think there is a 'basic' answer. First a question, do you have
DECnet and Cluster licenses? If not you can get them as part of the
I think not. How would I know? Are they listed on the "Key Options:"
line of the PAK? SHOW DEV says that there are 120132 Free Blocks. I
don't think that
DECwindows is installed. I am presently using a terminal vice monitor and
keyboard.
I hate blocks (though not as much as links and littelinks), lets see that
should be about 60Mb, which even if you don't have DECnet and clustering
software installed should be plenty of room, HOWEVER, the problem is
getting a copy onto the machine.
Zane
P.S. the SHOW LICE command is actually SHOW LICENSE, but SHOW LICE works
and appeals to by twisted sense of humor :^)
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7:19 p.m.
On Wed, 19 May 1999, Zane H. Healy wrote:
Try typing SHOW LICE at the prompt, that should show you what licenses you
have installed. Based on a foggy memory I suspect you've just got the
basic Hobbyist license for OpenVMS installed. You can get the layered
product licenses from the same place.
It says:
VAX-VMS
Producer: DEC
Units: 0
Version: 6.1
Date: (none)
Termination Date: 11-AUG-1999
Availability: 0
Activity: A (VMS Capacity)
NO_SHARE
Do I suspect correctly that NO_SHARE equals no-joy?
Yes, sort of a 'rock and a hard spot' kind of thing. I have been reading
with interest of Wolfgang Moeller's patches to make the VS2000's SCSI more
conformant to standards. But even here is the problem - how to get it
there. I installed a 1.2mb floppy (RX33), but one needs to get data on
the floppy to be of value. Sigh!!!
- don
Um, I don't think there is a 'basic'
answer. First a question, do you have
DECnet and Cluster licenses? If not you can get them as part of the
I think not. How would I know? Are they listed on the "Key Options:"
line of the PAK? SHOW DEV says
that there are 120132 Free Blocks. I don't think that
DECwindows is installed. I am presently using a terminal vice monitor and
keyboard.
I hate blocks (though not as much as links and littelinks), lets see that
should be about 60Mb, which even if you don't have DECnet and clustering
software installed should be plenty of room, HOWEVER, the problem is
getting a copy onto the machine. Zane
P.S. the SHOW LICE command is actually SHOW LICENSE, but SHOW LICE works
and appeals to by twisted sense of humor :^)
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8:12 p.m.
VAX-VMS
Producer: DEC
Units: 0
Version: 6.1
Date: (none)
Termination Date: 11-AUG-1999
Availability: 0
Activity: A (VMS Capacity)
NO_SHARE
Do I suspect correctly that NO_SHARE equals no-joy?
Actually it means the license is only good for that system, but you can
load another license for the other system, both licenses can co-exist on
the same system. The Current Hobbyist licenses cover ANY version of VMS
for VAX or Alpha, and 103 layered products.
Yes, sort of a 'rock and a hard spot' kind of
thing. I have been reading
with interest of Wolfgang Moeller's patches to make the VS2000's SCSI more
conformant to standards. But even here is the problem - how to get it
there. I installed a 1.2mb floppy (RX33), but one needs to get data on
the floppy to be of value. Sigh!!!
I don't suppose you've got a Linux PC? Linux can have DECnet support
added. I suspect you've got DECnet on the VAX, and just need the license
PAK to activate it. If that is true, it would be possible to transfer
files to the VAX via DECnet.
It's pretty easy to add DECnet support, but it does require that you
recompile the Linux kernel.
Zane
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8:31 p.m.
On Wed, 19 May 1999, Zane H. Healy wrote:
That is pretty broad!
I started to build one a couple of years ago, but set it aside. I may
have to see if I can resurrect it - and get a later edition of Linux, too.
VAX-VMS
Producer: DEC
Units: 0
Version: 6.1
Date: (none)
Termination Date: 11-AUG-1999
Availability: 0
Activity: A (VMS Capacity)
NO_SHARE
Do I suspect correctly that NO_SHARE equals no-joy?
Actually it means the license is only good for that system, but you can
load another license for the other system, both licenses can co-exist on
the same system. The Current Hobbyist licenses cover ANY version of VMS
for VAX or Alpha, and 103 layered products. Yes, sort of a
'rock and a hard spot' kind of thing. I have been reading
with interest of Wolfgang Moeller's patches to make the VS2000's SCSI more
conformant to standards. But even here is the problem - how to get it
there. I installed a 1.2mb floppy (RX33), but one needs to get data on
the floppy to be of value. Sigh!!!
I don't suppose you've got a Linux PC? Linux can have DECnet support
added. I suspect you've got DECnet on the VAX, and just need the license
PAK to activate it. If that is true, it would be possible to transfer
files to the VAX via DECnet. It's pretty easy to add DECnet support, but it
does require that you
recompile the Linux kernel.
Have to get it up first :)
- don
Zane
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8:41 p.m.
I started to build one a couple of years ago, but set
it aside. I may
have to see if I can resurrect it - and get a later edition of Linux, too.
Do yourself a favor if you try this, RedHat 6.0 just came out recently.
It's the way to go. Though if you can find RedHat 5.3 cheap it would be OK
also. Anything older and you might have problems with the DECnet support.
Zane
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It's pretty easy to add DECnet support, but
it does require that you
recompile the Linux kernel.
Have to get it up first :)
8:53 p.m.
On Wed, 19 May 1999, Zane H. Healy wrote:
Do yourself a favor if you try this, RedHat 6.0 just
came out recently.
That is what I have been hearing from some friends.
It's the way to go. Though if you can find RedHat
5.3 cheap it would be OK
also. Anything older and you might have problems with the DECnet support.
I don't even know just what I have. It was put together by someone in
Texas, IIRC, and sold very inexpensively.
- don
Zane
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20 May
20 May
7:36 a.m.
On Wed, 19 May 1999, Zane H. Healy wrote:
Do yourself a favor if you try this, RedHat 6.0 just
came out recently.
It's the way to go. Though if you can find RedHat 5.3 cheap it would be OK
also. Anything older and you might have problems with the DECnet support.
I'll have to recommend S.u.S.E. 6.1 over RedHat any day.
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3:22 a.m.
Yes, sort of a 'rock and a hard spot' kind of
thing. I have been reading
with interest of Wolfgang Moeller's patches to make the VS2000's SCSI more
Yes but the only bootable media for SCSI is the TK50.
conformant to standards. But even here is the problem
- how to get it
there. I installed a 1.2mb floppy (RX33), but one needs to get data on
the floppy to be of value. Sigh!!!
RX33 is a 1.2mb PC disk. See dbit and other site for PUTR and telebit.
The disk interface for floppy likely also supports rx50 format (single
sided rx33), so RX50 floppies with stand alone backup can be used.
You can use backup to put stuff on RX33, there is a utility to create a
standalone backup kit on most any media, check HELP for the invocation.
One way to get VMS from a working system is to do a standalone
backup/image of the disk on the host and then write that backup set to the
target system using standalone backup from floppies, TK50 or even a hard
disk!
Allison
11:31 a.m.
On Thu, 20 May 1999 allisonp(a)world.std.com wrote:
Understood.
I think it does, though T 70 will not format it.
Yes, sort of a
'rock and a hard spot' kind of thing. I have been reading
with interest of Wolfgang Moeller's patches to make the VS2000's SCSI more
Yes but the only bootable media for SCSI is the TK50. conformant to
standards. But even here is the problem - how to get it
there. I installed a 1.2mb floppy (RX33), but one needs to get data on
the floppy to be of value. Sigh!!!
RX33 is a 1.2mb PC disk. See dbit and other site for PUTR and telebit.
The disk interface for floppy likely also supports rx50 format (single
sided rx33), so RX50 floppies with stand alone backup can be used. You can use backup to put stuff on RX33, there is a
utility to create a
But only from the VS or uVAX. Not from a PC or other except perhaps
Linux.
standalone backup kit on most any media, check HELP
for the invocation.
One way to get VMS from a working system is to do a standalone
backup/image of the disk on the host and then write that backup set to the
target system using standalone backup from floppies, TK50 or even a hard
disk!
Right now I have two bootable RD54s - the one that came with the VS2000
and the one that I formatted and loaded and which is presently in the VS.
I think I'll install the original in the uVAX after I debug a cable for
it now that I know that the only lack is the graphics card.
- don
Allison
19 May
19 May
6:23 a.m.
and have a sort of 'matched set'. I am a bit
sadder and wiser now that
I have discovered that the MicroVAX is missing a rather large daughter
board that resides beneath the motherboard in the VAXStation, and
apparently carries the HDC and SCSI controller hardware.
?????? the only difference between the MV2000 and the VS2000 is NOTHING!
Both 90% of the hardware is all on one board. The common boards
plugged into that card are the extended memory, a Network card and
a Video extension to the (additional bit planes for color).
The HDC and SCSI(for tapes opnly) is on the main board! look for the NCR
5380 and SMC 9224 40 pin chips.
Allison
3:15 p.m.
On Wed, 19 May 1999 allisonp(a)world.std.com wrote:
OK, the MicroVAX has the main board which is mounted solder side up. It
also has the extended memory card, a Network(?) card that connects via two
40 conductor ribbon cables. What is missing is the large - almost main
board size - board that is situated component side up beneath the main
board, and connects to it via two 40 pin headers (that run parallel to
the 50-pin and 60-pin connectors for tape SCSI and hard and floppy drives
respectively) on the main board. Is that the Video Extension board?
and have a
sort of 'matched set'. I am a bit sadder and wiser now that
I have discovered that the MicroVAX is missing a rather large daughter
board that resides beneath the motherboard in the VAXStation, and
apparently carries the HDC and SCSI controller hardware.
?????? the only difference between the MV2000 and the VS2000 is NOTHING!
Both 90% of the hardware is all on one board. The common boards
plugged into that card are the extended memory, a Network card and
a Video extension to the (additional bit planes for color). The HDC and SCSI(for tapes opnly) is on the main
board! look for the NCR
5380 and SMC 9224 40 pin chips.
Yep, I see them.
Does the position of the Berg jumper about two inches from the rear of the
BNC connector affect the functioning of the storage devices?
- don
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