24 Jun
1998
24 Jun
'98
7:45 p.m.
Does anyone on the list collect NeXT systems? I had the chance to see
one the other day and now I am hooked... but they wanted 500 bucks for a
33mhz turbo color cube (IIRC...) w/ a 21" sony monitor. in any case,
(and i realize i'm stepping in a big heaping pile here) what's a
reasonable cost for these systems? after using afterstep for linux, i
would love to use nextstep and use the real thing.
-Eric
24 Jun
24 Jun
10:35 p.m.
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25 Jun
25 Jun
7:28 a.m.
On Wed, 24 Jun 1998, Poesie wrote:
Does anyone on the list collect NeXT systems? I had
the chance to see
one the other day and now I am hooked... but they wanted 500 bucks for a
33mhz turbo color cube (IIRC...) w/ a 21" sony monitor. in any case,
I have a couple of NeXT machines and also use NEXTSTEP daily on my pentium
system.
If it's actually a cube system, and has actual colour video, $500 is a
very good price for it for the reasons mentioned in other messages. The
NeXTdimension is a very cool piece of hardware.
Truecolour DPS engine (the Turbocolour stations were only 12-bit colour),
composite and S-Video in/out, onboard i860 processor with up to 128 MB of
its own RAM, installable in matched sets of four 72 pin non-parity page
mode SIMMs.
reasonable cost for these systems? after using
afterstep for linux, i
would love to use nextstep and use the real thing.
Afterstep is a sad joke compared to the real thing. (: After having used
NEXTSTEP as my primary OS for several years, I can confidently say that I
have yet to be frustrated by its UI. And that's not something I can say of
anything else I've used. And I've spent time on a LOT of UIs.
NEXTSTEP was introduced in 1988; version 3.0 in 1993 brought support for
Intel processors. Later sub-releases brought support for SPARC and HP
PA-RISC as well. The UI has remained more-or-less the same since its
introduction. The addition of colour came as a patch for 2.1.
ok
r.
8:17 a.m.
Does anyone on the list collect NeXT systems? I had the
chance to see
one the other day and now I am hooked... but they wanted 500 bucks for a
33mhz turbo color cube (IIRC...) w/ a 21" sony monitor. in any case,
(and i realize i'm stepping in a big heaping pile here) what's a
reasonable cost for these systems? after using afterstep for linux, i
would love to use nextstep and use the real thing.
-Eric
Smokin' deal - jump on it. If you decide later that you don't want it, I'll
be happy to take it off your hands.
R.
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Dreadlocks on white boys give me the willies.
7:25 a.m.
Agreed. That is a _very_ good deal. The big difference between the cube
and the slab is that the cube incorporates a DSP on the motherboard while the
slab does not. The cube also has a backplane which supports up to four cards,
one of which is the main CPU board. In the case of the color cube, another is
used for the 32 bit color card (assuming you're getting a NeXT dimension board
with the cube). With a minor hack one can even install multiple cpu cards into
the cube chassis, network them together, and then boot each card as a separate
host. Pretty slick.
see: http://www.imo.physik.uni-muenchen.de/~heller/NeXT/NeXT.html
For folks wondering why I haven't been involved with the list much
lately... I've been dealing with a family illness and just don't have much
time. I do read messages every now and then, so I haven't forgotten about
classiccmp, I just have pressing responsibilities.
BTW: Russ! I just got the C64 you shipped me months back working. I
found a C64 Programmers reference with schematics at the MIT flea which helped
out tremendously. Pretty Cool! --jmg
Does anyone on
the list collect NeXT systems? I had the chance to see
one the other day and now I am hooked... but they wanted 500 bucks for a
33mhz turbo color cube (IIRC...) w/ a 21" sony monitor. in any case,
(and i realize i'm stepping in a big heaping pile here) what's a
reasonable cost for these systems? after using afterstep for linux, i
would love to use nextstep and use the real thing.
-Eric
Smokin' deal - jump on it. If you decide later that you don't want it, I'll
be happy to take it off your hands.
R.
--
Warbaby
The WebSite. The Domain. The Empire.
http://www.warbaby.com
The MonkeyPool
WebSite Content Development
http://www.monkeypool.com
Dreadlocks on white boys give me the willies.
8:02 a.m.
On Thu, 25 Jun 1998, J. Maynard Gelinas wrote:
Agreed. That is a _very_ good deal. The big
difference between the
cube and the slab is that the cube incorporates a DSP on the motherboard
while the slab does not.
Wrong. All M68k NeXT hardware has a Motorola 56000 DSP onboard.
The primary differences between the Cube and Slab is that the cube has a
NeXTbus (Nubus-89 derivative) and support for the Canon optical disk
drive.
What the cube incorporates that the slab does not is the NeXTbus Interface
Chip (NBIC).
ok
r.
1:43 p.m.
That is a good deal I paid over 300 for color slab, but i really want a
cube. John
At 09:17 AM 6/25/98 -0800, you wrote:
Does anyone on
the list collect NeXT systems? I had the chance to see
one the other day and now I am hooked... but they wanted 500 bucks for a
33mhz turbo color cube (IIRC...) w/ a 21" sony monitor. in any case,
(and i realize i'm stepping in a big heaping pile here) what's a
reasonable cost for these systems? after using afterstep for linux, i
would love to use nextstep and use the real thing.
-Eric
Smokin' deal - jump on it. If you decide later that you don't want it, I'll
be happy to take it off your hands.
R.
--
Warbaby
The WebSite. The Domain. The Empire.
http://www.warbaby.com
The MonkeyPool
WebSite Content Development
http://www.monkeypool.com
Dreadlocks on white boys give me the willies.
4:45 p.m.
Hey,
Someone out there mentioned that I was wrong about NeXT slabs lacking a
DSP, but I've lost the original message. Are you certain of this? I used to
haveto have a B/W 040 slab on my desk several years ago and I seem to remember
that it lacked the DSP and couldn't either record audio or work as a software
modem. Now a _long_ time ago a roommate bought one of the early 030 cubes and
I know it had the DSP. Maybe I'm just plain wrong, but I _swear_ that slab
lacked audio. Anyone out there have a history of NeXT black hardware?
Curious,
--jmg
5:45 p.m.
All NeXT hardware had the DSP. Go to www.deepspacetech.com and follow
the NeXT links for more info. They are also a good (reputable) source for NeXT
stuff.
George
Hey,
Someone out there mentioned that I was wrong
about NeXT slabs lacking
a
DSP, but I've lost the original message. Are you certain of this? I used
to haveto have a B/W 040 slab on my desk several years ago and I seem to
remember that it lacked the DSP and couldn't either record audio or work
as a software modem. Now a _long_ time ago a roommate bought one of the
early 030 cubes and I know it had the DSP. Maybe I'm just plain wrong,
but I _swear_ that slab lacked audio. Anyone out there have a history of
NeXT black hardware?
Curious,
--jmg
10:20 p.m.
On Thu, 25 Jun 1998, J. Maynard Gelinas wrote:
Someone out there mentioned that I was wrong
about NeXT slabs
lacking a DSP, but I've lost the original message. Are you certain of
this?
One hundred per cent certain. I can photo ID the DSP chip for you if you
like.
Apocryphal evidence: I use a QUIX Daydream ROM box for Mac emulation,
which hooks to the DSP port on my NeXTstation.
ok
r.
11:44 p.m.
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26 Jun
26 Jun
6:47 a.m.
Speaking of NeXTs, I have just got a lead on some available in the UK. The
mail I got is:
Unconfirmed reports are that I may be able to lay my hands on, like,
TWENTY NeXT slabs for the princely sum of 70 quid each. My mind
immediately turns to CamNet and the denizens within as sinks for such
wonderful but antique hardware. Note that if you want a 17" colour
monitor, then that is at the ultimate ripoff price of another 60 quid.
Both figures EXCLUDE VAT at the usual rate, apparently.
Machine specs are:
TurboColour NeXTStation.
68040/33 / 32MB / 500MB SCSI
+ Keyboard + Mouse + Soundbox. (as black as, like, the blackest thing -
none more black)
(1138x932@12bit)
Monitors:
NeXT MegaPixel Colour Monitors (Black cool case)
17" @ 60 quid
21" @ 150 quid
If you are interested then drop me an email and I will coordinate things
with the person I got this email from.
--
Kevan
Old Computer Collector: http://www.heydon.org/kevan/collection/
29 Jun
29 Jun
10:36 a.m.
On Fri, 26 Jun 1998, Seth J. Morabito wrote:
Wow! Here's a device I've never heard of.
Fringe-classic, I suppose, but
cool enough that I really want one from the sounds of it.
It's a pretty cool little frob, yes.
Are they near-impossible to find now? I'd love to
run Mac emulation
in a window on my Nitro slab. (40MHz of raw burning black NeXT
power :)
I hate you. (: I forget if the Nitro was the NeXT prototype or the
aftermarket accelerator made by (I think) Spherical Solutions.
The Daydreams show up on rare occasion in comp.sys.next.marketplace. There
was one for sale there, actually, just the other day. They sell from $250
to $400. Generally, people snap them up when they see them and don't wait
for a better-priced one to come along.
The emulation isn't perfect.. because the NeXT uses its DSP for sound
reproduction, and the Daydream needs it to talk to the ROMs, you don't get
sounds under MacOS. Also, it's not a window-type emulation. The Daydream
software is a special kernel image that allows the NeXT to boot into MacOS
(7.x -- I'm running 7.5.5). Because the Daydream reports itself as an LC
(which are the ROMs it uses), you cannot use 7.6 or newer.
I've also found that DiskCopy doesn't seem to work under the Daydream Mac.
But other than that, it's very good. I get performance somewhere around
that of a Quadra 800 on my non-turbo slab.
None of this stuff is 10 years old yet, but it's been abandoned and is
otherwise just way too cool.
ok
r.
12:48 p.m.
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1:03 p.m.
I'm told I'm about to recieve a Next cube. I don't know much about these
beasts. If I get the hardware but no manuals, boot disks, or software are
these items hard to come by? Will a Next cube only work with a Next
monitor (haven't heard anything about a monitor coming with this)?
Thanks,
George Rachor
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George L. Rachor george(a)racsys.rt.rain.com
Beaverton, Oregon http://racsys.rt.rain.com
25 Jun
25 Jun
4:08 p.m.
Poesie wrote:
Does anyone on the list collect NeXT systems? I had the chance to see
one the other day and now I am hooked... but they wanted 500 bucks for
a
I don't recall the model, but I bought a Next System (sans docs)
including the speaker, keyboard, and monitor for somewhere above $100
(can't recall what I paid now.)
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