18 Aug
2001
18 Aug
'01
2:58 p.m.
It is with great disappointment that I must announce that VCF 5.0 has
been tentatively cancelled due to a lack of interest from participants.
Exhibitor and vendor sign-ups have been extremely low, and the
impression I get is that interest has waned this year.
I made one last push this week to encourage exhibitor and vendor sign-ons
to no avail. Granted, the planning for VCF 5.0 was much shorter due to
VCF East, but I thought that as soon as I sent out announcements (on
July 31st) that there would have been a flood of sign-ups. That didn't
happen, leading me to believe that perhaps exhibitors and vendors from
past years are too busy this year with the economy being the way it is to
consider participating.
There are numerous advantages to holding the event on the planned dates,
but without any exhibitors or vendors, there wouldn't be much of an
event to present. The admission price would have to drop to a level
that would not justify the cost of holding the event.
However, if the interest is there, but has just not been expressed
properly, then I would very much like to find out. If you did plan on
attending the VCF this year, either has an exhibitor, a vendor, or just
an attendee, please let me know about it. Below are three links to
visit to either signup as an exhibitor, a vendor, or to indicate that you
will be attending. If the response to this is positive, VCF 5.0 will
go on. If not, VCF 5.0 will be cancelled.
Exhibitors:
http://www.vintage.org/2001/main/exhibit.php
Vendors:
http://www.vintage.org/2001/main/vendor.php
Attendees:
http://www.vintage.org/2001/main/survey.php
For general comments or feedback, please feel free to e-mail me
directly at <sellam(a)vintage.org>rg>.
I do hope that there is an overwhelming response to this announcement
and that the VCF will go on as planned. However, it's up to you to do
your part and let me know.
Best regards,
Sellam Ismail
Producer
Vintage Computer Festival
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
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International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org
18 Aug
18 Aug
5:07 p.m.
New subject: SPARCStation 1 HD size limits..
Thanks to Chuck, I'm getting a nice little SS1. I've done some searching on
the net, but I can't find anything that tells me the maximum capacity of
hard disk that the SS1 will support. Can anyone point me to a location or
let me know if there is a limit? (beyond physical size)
Thanks!
g.
5:27 p.m.
New subject: SPARCStation 1 HD size limits..
The interior sled takes a standard 3.5" form factor drive, single ended
SCSI. With only 1 you can drop in a 2GB barracuda (with more than 1 heat
becomes a problem). The external SCSI-2 connector will obviously connect up
to 7 external SCSI devices. Consider getting a "dual" external SCSI box and
put a CD-ROM drive and a disk in it.
--Chuck
At 07:07 PM 8/18/01 -0700, you wrote:
Thanks to Chuck, I'm getting a nice little SS1.
I've done some searching on
the net, but I can't find anything that tells me the maximum capacity of
hard disk that the SS1 will support. Can anyone point me to a location or
let me know if there is a limit? (beyond physical size)
Thanks!
g.
8:37 p.m.
New subject: SPARCStation 1 HD size limits..
The interior sled takes a standard 3.5" form
factor drive, single ended
SCSI. With only 1 you can drop in a 2GB barracuda (with more than 1 heat
becomes a problem). The external SCSI-2 connector will obviously connect
up
to 7 external SCSI devices. Consider getting a
"dual" external SCSI box
and
put a CD-ROM drive and a disk in it.
I'm sorry, I wasn't clear. I was asking about a maximum capacity limit, not
a physical one. I can get 9GB drives fairly cheap, and I just wanted to
know if the SS1 would support a drive of that size (or greater).
Thanks!
g.
9:06 p.m.
New subject: SPARCStation 1 HD size limits..
Yup. 9GB is not a problem.
--Chuck
At 10:37 PM 8/18/01 -0700, you wrote:
I'm sorry, I wasn't clear. I was asking about
a maximum capacity limit, not
a physical one. I can get 9GB drives fairly cheap, and I just wanted to
know if the SS1 would support a drive of that size (or greater).
19 Aug
19 Aug
8 a.m.
New subject: SPARCStation 1 HD size limits..
Yup. 9GB is not a problem.
--Chuck
Great! Now I have to get a Domino's box top & front to fool the wife....
:)
g.
At 10:37 PM 8/18/01 -0700, you wrote:
>I'm sorry, I wasn't clear. I was asking about a maximum capacity limit,
not
a physical one.
I can get 9GB drives fairly cheap, and I just wanted to
know if the SS1 would support a drive of that size (or greater).
7:41 a.m.
New subject: SPARCStation 1 HD size limits..
The interior sled takes a standard 3.5" form
factor drive, single ended
SCSI. With only 1 you can drop in a 2GB barracuda (with more than 1 heat
becomes a problem). The external SCSI-2 connector will obviously connect
up
to 7 external SCSI devices. Consider getting a
"dual" external SCSI box
and
put a CD-ROM drive and a disk in it.
I'm sorry, I wasn't clear. I was asking about a maximum capacity limit, not
a physical one. I can get 9GB drives fairly cheap, and I just wanted to
know if the SS1 would support a drive of that size (or greater).
Thanks!
g.
8:12 a.m.
New subject: SPARCStation 1 HD size limits..
> I'm sorry, I wasn't clear. I was asking
about a maximum capacity limit,
not
a physical
one. I can get 9GB drives fairly cheap, and I just wanted to
know if the SS1 would support a drive of that size (or greater).
Thanks!
g.
I thought there was a 4.5 gb limit or something like that in SunOS 4.x
Bill 
18 Aug
18 Aug
9:21 p.m.
It is with great disappointment that I must announce
that
VCF 5.0 has
been tentatively cancelled due to a lack of interest
from
participants.
Exhibitor and vendor sign-ups have been extremely low,
and
the
impression I get is that interest has waned this
year.
Wow, that really sucks. Maybe its the mid-September date,
which is earlier than prior years. It can be hard to get
away during September as so many things seem to start then
(school, sports teams, work). Moreover, the date is forcing
your planning and organization into August which is a heavy
vacation month, which may account for the meager response at
this point.
I think that, given time, "everyone" will eventually show
up.
However, if you have a no-refund date on a deposit that you
are up against, or an additional deposit due, I wouldn't
blame you for not assuming that risk.
19 Aug
19 Aug
9:13 a.m.
On Sat, 18 Aug 2001, Wayne M. Smith wrote:
That is what I would have hoped, but unfortunately I just can't take that
gamble this year.
Note that I did say "tentatively", so it's not final yet. I'm still
trying to think of a creative way to keep it going this year, but it's the
finances that are at the heart of the matter.
The number of exhibitors is very low this year (only 8 signups so far) and
only a few vendors. This is not nearly enough to even begin justifying
the expense of the venue. I sent out an announcement to last year's
exhibitors and vendors a week ago, hoping that would result in an
increased sign-on, but it only garnered one additional exhibitor, and no
vendors.
Yesterday's message resulted in an increase in sign-ons for exhibitors,
but my vendors are still nowhere to be seen.
So here's the current plan: make the VCF a lecture only event this year,
and if I can figure out a way to cost effectively hold an exhibit, then
I'll do that as well.
I realize time is of importance here and I will hopefully have a clear
idea of what's going to happen in a day or two, so that what exhibitors
have signed up will still have time to make their plans.
Stay tuned...and if you want to help make VCF 5.0 happen:
Exhibitors:
http://www.vintage.org/2001/main/exhibit.php
Vendors:
http://www.vintage.org/2001/main/vendor.php
Or if you're just going to be an attendee, let it be known:
http://www.vintage.org/2001/main/survey.php
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
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International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org
It is with
great disappointment that I must announce that
VCF 5.0 has
been tentatively cancelled due to a lack of
interest from
participants.
Exhibitor and vendor sign-ups have been extremely
low, and
the
impression I get is that interest has waned this
year.
Wow, that really sucks. Maybe its the mid-September date,
which is earlier than prior years. It can be hard to get
away during September as so many things seem to start then
(school, sports teams, work). Moreover, the date is forcing
your planning and organization into August which is a heavy
vacation month, which may account for the meager response at
this point.
I think that, given time, "everyone" will eventually show
up. 
8:20 a.m.
I've been planning to reserve a vendor space IMMEDIATELY after you post
the floorplan to be able to do so!
While I don't have anything great, I do need to dispose of a few cubic
yards of stuff.
It would be a tragic disappointment to not have VCF.
But we certainly can't fault you for cancellation, if
that's what you have to do.
--
Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin(a)xenosoft.com
9:33 a.m.
On Sun, 19 Aug 2001, Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) wrote:
I've been planning to reserve a vendor space
IMMEDIATELY after you post
the floorplan to be able to do so!
And you are first in line!
It would be a tragic disappointment to not have VCF.
But we certainly
can't fault you for cancellation, if that's what you have to do.
I'm still trying to make something happen :)
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
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International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org
20 Aug
20 Aug
8:08 a.m.
On Sat, 18 Aug 2001, Vintage Computer Festival wrote:
happen, leading me to believe that perhaps exhibitors
and vendors from
past years are too busy this year with the economy being the way it is to
consider participating.
Darn.... the George dubya Bushbooger strikes again, screwing something
else up; this time the economy, and hence the VCF as a result, just so
he can take credit for strengthening the economy some time from now.
Yet another example of childish politicians playing games with people's
incomes and lives, just for the sake of playing their childish game of
politics, with the goal of winning at any cost. Hopefully one day
we'll get some people with at least the intelligence of mentally
retarded monkeys to inhabit the Whitehouse... well, one can hope
anyway.
--
Copyright (C) 2001 R. D. Davis The difference between humans & other animals:
All Rights Reserved an unnatural belief that we're above Nature &
rdd(a)rddavis.net 410-744-4900 her other creatures, using dogma to justify such
http://www.rddavis.net beliefs and to justify much human cruelty.
8:42 a.m.
George Bush doesn't have anything to do with the economy being down.
The Economy started downwards before he was even in office. He didn't
ruin VCF for you, either. The president doesn't magically change the
economy over night.
Chad Fernandez
Michigan, USA
R. D. Davis wrote:
Darn.... the George dubya Bushbooger strikes again,
screwing something
else up; this time the economy, and hence the VCF as a result, just so
he can take credit for strengthening the economy some time from now.
Yet another example of childish politicians playing games with people's
incomes and lives, just for the sake of playing their childish game of
politics, with the goal of winning at any cost. Hopefully one day
we'll get some people with at least the intelligence of mentally
retarded monkeys to inhabit the Whitehouse... well, one can hope
anyway.
10:44 a.m.
The Pres. does have quite a bit of influence on the market, and the market is
the reason the economy is in the toilet at the moment. This particular
president seems to be tailoring his actions to the fact he's going to take after
his old-man and serve only a single term. In the meantime, he's routing as much
cash to Texas as he can. I'm surprised the media haven't picked up on this.
Nobody should have been surprised that the high-tech market tanked once
saturation of the hardware market was reached, and once the market geniuses who
pumped up the "DOT-COM" stocks finally figured out they'd been fooling
themselves. The Clinton administration was able to forestall the correction yet
to come, however, and the market, in several sectors, is WAY overvalued. I
don't have much in stocks any more, having moved to greener pastures. I'd not
be surprised to see a more general correction on the order of 75% downward in
many market sectors, and unemployment figures into 20%+ for a decade or so. If
you're into trading, I'd say look for issues that you can sell short.
You're right in that the Pres can't FIX the economy overnight, but he can surely
wreck it in a day or so.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chad Fernandez" <fernande(a)internet1.net>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 11:42 AM
Subject: Re: VCF 5.0 on the verge of being cancelled :(
George Bush doesn't have anything to do with the
economy being down.
The Economy started downwards before he was even in office. He didn't
ruin VCF for you, either. The president doesn't magically change the
economy over night.
Chad Fernandez
Michigan, USA
R. D. Davis wrote:
Darn.... the George dubya Bushbooger strikes
again, screwing something
else up; this time the economy, and hence the VCF as a result, just so
he can take credit for strengthening the economy some time from now.
Yet another example of childish politicians playing games with people's
incomes and lives, just for the sake of playing their childish game of
politics, with the goal of winning at any cost. Hopefully one day
we'll get some people with at least the intelligence of mentally
retarded monkeys to inhabit the Whitehouse... well, one can hope
anyway.
10:55 a.m.
I'm not naming any names, but could we please quit with the sociopolitical
rantings?
ok
r.
1:54 p.m.
New subject: This message is NOT about Re: VCF 5.0 on the verge of being cancelled :(
On Mon, 20 Aug 2001, r. 'bear' stricklin wrote:
I'm not naming any names, but could we please quit
with the
sociopolitical rantings?
Yeah, at least change the farqing subject.
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
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International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org
11:27 a.m.
You mean there's socio-political entropy too?
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred Cisin (XenoSoft)" <cisin(a)xenosoft.com>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 2:08 PM
Subject: Re: VCF 5.0 on the verge of being cancelled :(
Things were already starting to get worse when George
W. took office. In
1789.
10:56 a.m.
On Mon, 20 Aug 2001, Chad Fernandez wrote:
George Bush doesn't have anything to do with the
economy being down.
Yes he does. The economy is purely psychological. If enough people
think it's bad, it will be bad, and vice versa. If he and the other
politicrats went out and started talking about how the economy
miraculously improved overnight, it would.
The Economy started downwards before he was even in
office. He didn't
ruin VCF for you, either. The president doesn't magically change the
economy over night.
It's obvious that g. dubya bushbooger wanted people to think the
economy was worsening so that he could take credit for "fixing" the
economy through various policies, such as his generous (great sarcasm
intended) US$300 tax refund per person without dependents. It's not
the economic policies, twiddling with the interest rates, etc. that
make a difference in the economy; that's all a lot of political rot -
it's psychological factors that truly account for changes in the
economy. Disclaimer: I took Econ. I and II in college, and learned
one thing: much of it is a lot of make believe foolishness so that
economists, etc. can earn an income.
--
Copyright (C) 2001 R. D. Davis The difference between humans & other animals:
All Rights Reserved an unnatural belief that we're above Nature &
rdd(a)rddavis.net 410-744-4900 her other creatures, using dogma to justify such
http://www.rddavis.net beliefs and to justify much human cruelty.
2:09 p.m.
New subject: Exidy Sorcerr - IT WORKS
I would like to report that after 3 months of probing, poking, desoldering, soldering,
studying schematics,
reading data sheets, etc., etc., my Exidy Sorcerer WORKS!
Now how many of you have a computer with crazy keyboard graphics?
In any event, I want to publicly thank Pete Turnbull, without whose help and encouragement
this project
would not have been possible. He took time out from an extremely busy schedule to deal
with my stupid
questions, and did so without losing his patience.
I also want to that Tony Duell for a timely helpful hint, which was very helpful to the
diagnostic process.
Now, on to bigger and better things!
Louis
2:56 p.m.
New subject: Exidy Sorcerr - IT WORKS
Now how many of you have a computer with crazy
keyboard graphics?
C64s. :-)
--
----------------------------- personal page: http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ --
Cameron Kaiser, Point Loma Nazarene University * ckaiser(a)stockholm.ptloma.edu
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21 Aug
21 Aug
8:50 a.m.
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20 Aug
20 Aug
3:46 p.m.
New subject: economics
On Mon, 20 Aug 2001, R.D.Davis wrote:
it's psychological factors that truly account for changes in the
economy. Disclaimer: I took Econ. I and II in college, and learned
one thing: much of it is a lot of make believe foolishness so that
economists, etc. can earn an income.
Boy, my sentiments exactly. I think Political Science (my second major
--History was first-- and a questionable "science") is more science than
economics -- since two economists can look at the exact same info and
come up with opposite remedies based on their own preconceived sociopolitical
ideology.
Much of the macroeconomics stuff I see has to do with the mob psychology
and the herd mentality of wall street investors...
Bill
--
Bill Gates is a Persian cat and a monocle away from being a
villain in a James Bond movie -- Dennis Miller
bpechter@shell.monmouth.com|pechter@pechter.dyndns.org
5:02 p.m.
New subject: economics
Bill Pechter wrote:
..snip...
since two economists can look at the exact same info
and
come up with opposite remedies based on their own preconceived
sociopolitical ideology.
You know the joke ....
Why did they invent economic forecasters?
To make weather forecasters look good.
--
Terry Collins {:-)}}} Ph(02) 4627 2186 Fax(02) 4628 7861
email: terryc(a)woa.com.au www: http://www.woa.com.au
WOA Computer Services <lan/wan, linux/unix, novell>
"People without trees are like fish without clean water"
21 Aug
21 Aug
4:20 a.m.
New subject: economics
At 12:02 PM 8/21/01 +1000, Terry wrote:
Bill Pechter wrote:
Who was the US president that said that he needed a single-handed
economist? Because they are always saying ".. on the other
hand, if you do that, this other effect might be triggered".
carlos.
--------------------------------------------------------------
Carlos E. Murillo-Sanchez carlos_murillo(a)nospammers.ieee.org
since two economists can look at the exact same
info and
come up with opposite remedies based on their own preconceived
sociopolitical ideology.
You know the joke ....
Why did they invent economic forecasters?
To make weather forecasters look good. 
20 Aug
20 Aug
6:59 p.m.
New subject: economics
On Mon, 20 Aug 2001, Bill Pechter wrote:
It is said that the economists have predicted 15 of the last four
recessions that we have had. No wonder they call it the `dismal
science'!
- don
On Mon, 20 Aug
2001, R.D.Davis wrote:
it's psychological factors that truly account for changes in the
economy. Disclaimer: I took Econ. I and II in college, and learned
one thing: much of it is a lot of make believe foolishness so that
economists, etc. can earn an income.
Boy, my sentiments exactly. I think Political Science (my second major
--History was first-- and a questionable "science") is more science than
economics -- since two economists can look at the exact same info and
come up with opposite remedies based on their own preconceived sociopolitical
ideology. Much of the macroeconomics stuff I see has to do with
the mob psychology
and the herd mentality of wall street investors...
Bill
--
Bill Gates is a Persian cat and a monocle away from being a
villain in a James Bond movie -- Dennis Miller
bpechter@shell.monmouth.com|pechter@pechter.dyndns.org
21 Aug
21 Aug
5:14 a.m.
New subject: GW Bush Cancelled VCF 5.0 VCF
R. D. Davis wrote:
So some guy running for president said the economy was worsening, and
the whole world believed him, ok sure.
Chad Fernandez
Michigan, USA
On Mon, 20 Aug 2001, Chad Fernandez wrote:
The stock market is emotionally run, much of the time, I'll give you
that. The economy on a whole is influenced by emotional factors, too.
To say that the economy is purely psychological is an over
simplification.
George Bush doesn't have anything to do with
the economy being down.
Yes he does. The economy is purely psychological. If enough people
think it's bad, it will be bad, and vice versa. If he and the other
politicrats went out and started talking about how the economy
miraculously improved overnight, it would. The Economy started downwards before he was even
in office. He didn't
ruin VCF for you, either. The president doesn't magically change the
economy over night.
It's obvious that g. dubya bushbooger wanted people to think the
economy was worsening so that he could take credit for "fixing" the
economy through various policies.....
12:08 p.m.
New subject: GW Bush Cancelled VCF 5.0 VCF
On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, Chad Fernandez wrote:
So some guy running for president said the economy was worsening, and
the whole world believed him, ok sure.
Chad Fernandez
Michigan, USA
R. D. Davis wrote:
Agreed, but when you consider that consumer spending makes up about
two-thirds of the Gross National Product, there is certainly a
substantial element of truth in it also! Certainly consumer spending is
modified somewhat by the group psychological mood.
- don
On Mon, 20 Aug 2001, Chad Fernandez wrote:
The stock market is emotionally run, much of the time, I'll give you
that. The economy on a whole is influenced by emotional factors, too.
To say that the economy is purely psychological is an over
simplification. George Bush doesn't have anything to do with
the economy being down.
Yes he does. The economy is purely psychological. If enough people
think it's bad, it will be bad, and vice versa. If he and the other
politicrats went out and started talking about how the economy
miraculously improved overnight, it would. The Economy started downwards before he was even
in office. He didn't
ruin VCF for you, either. The president doesn't magically change the
economy over night.
It's obvious that g. dubya bushbooger wanted people to think the
economy was worsening so that he could take credit for "fixing" the
economy through various policies.....
1:15 p.m.
New subject: GW Bush Cancelled VCF 5.0 VCF
Of course in GOV-speak, that's "consumer confidence" but it means that
consumers
don't think they'll be able to buy another new computer and that drags down the
economy.
They had the fellow who WAS the publisher of the "Industry Standard" (E-tech)
magazine (now no longer publishing) on the News Hour on PBS last evening, and he
made a few remarks suggesting that people knew that the high-tech sector was all
bound together. Once they saw it start to crumble, they knew they were dead.
People often tighten their belts, but generally too late.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Maslin" <donm(a)cts.com>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 3:08 PM
Subject: Re: GW Bush Cancelled VCF 5.0 VCF
On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, Chad Fernandez wrote:
So some guy running for president said the economy was worsening, and
the whole world believed him, ok sure.
Chad Fernandez
Michigan, USA
R. D. Davis wrote:
Agreed, but when you consider that consumer spending makes up about
two-thirds of the Gross National Product, there is certainly a
substantial element of truth in it also! Certainly consumer spending is
modified somewhat by the group psychological mood.
- don
On Mon, 20 Aug 2001, Chad Fernandez wrote:
The stock market is emotionally run, much of the time, I'll give you
that. The economy on a whole is influenced by emotional factors, too.
To say that the economy is purely psychological is an over
simplification. George Bush doesn't have anything to do with
the economy being down.
Yes he does. The economy is purely psychological. If enough people
think it's bad, it will be bad, and vice versa. If he and the other
politicrats went out and started talking about how the economy
miraculously improved overnight, it would. The Economy started downwards before he was even
in office. He didn't
ruin VCF for you, either. The president doesn't magically change the
economy over night.
It's obvious that g. dubya bushbooger wanted people to think the
economy was worsening so that he could take credit for "fixing" the
economy through various policies..... 
1:03 p.m.
New subject: GW Bush Cancelled VCF 5.0 VCF
-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
-> [mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Chad Fernandez
-> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 9:15 AM
-> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
-> Subject: GW Bush Cancelled VCF 5.0 VCF
->
->
-> R. D. Davis wrote:
-> > It's obvious that g. dubya bushbooger wanted people to think the
-> > economy was worsening so that he could take credit for "fixing" the
-> > economy through various policies.....
->
-> So some guy running for president said the economy was worsening, and
-> the whole world believed him, ok sure.
->
-> Chad Fernandez
-> Michigan, USA
I have to agree here...Bush did nothing to change any economical
stature...the economy always slows with an election and worse if it's the
end of term (no chance for re-election) of the last pres. I got hit by a
layoff last October and still managed to start my own business, with the
same customers I served for an employer (I gave them what they paid for,
unlike my employer). Corporate America tends to flux with things like the
interest rate, stock market, etc. All of that helps to adjust the overall
spending as well when people are making lots of money they spend lots - when
they are laid off or fired they tend to stop spending. The economy wasn't
that great to begin with but people seemed to feel good about things with no
changes in leadership (if you can use that term with WJC) since the early
90's. All of a sudden we're looking at change again and the whole population
has a tendancy to freak due to the change, no matter who is eligible to take
the job.
20 Aug
20 Aug
1:52 p.m.
On Mon, 20 Aug 2001, Chad Fernandez wrote:
George Bush doesn't have anything to do with the
economy being down.
The Economy started downwards before he was even in office. He didn't
ruin VCF for you, either. The president doesn't magically change the
economy over night.
Hey, if I can blame Georgie for screwing up the VCF this year then all
the better :)
Actually, I'll have a good news announcement about VCF 5.0 coming up soon
:)
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
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International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org
10:33 a.m.
Hopefully you've noticed that Dubya's efforts, so far, have all been directed at
improving the finances of various interests, all, coincidentally, located in
Texas. George-I, while no rocket scientist himself, was quite a bit smarter
than George-II, but all his sons seem to have turned out more crooked than he
was. This was no secret from George-I, as he started the "Desert Shield"
operation on the very day that his son, Neil, came up on charges of defrauding a
Colorado S&L out of billions.
When Dubya set his policy regarding stem-cell research funding, it was surely
not unknown to him that the majority of those "already existing viable" lines
of
stem-cells belonged to one Texas Bioresearch firm. It was also no secret that
most of the defense contractors that would benefit from his inane "missile
defense" program are in Texas. Does it surprise anyone that he allowed the
mostly Texan energy conglomerates that raped the California energy-consuming
public to back away quitely while he "formulated" a policy?
It's not necessarily the political affiliation, but the principal state of
residence, (not the bogus one, as is Wyoming with respect to the VP, who was a
TX resident as little as 91 days before the convention) that has the most effect
on a man's presidential conduct, methinks.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "R. D. Davis" <rdd(a)smart.net>
To: "Classic Computers Mailing List" <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 11:08 AM
Subject: Re: VCF 5.0 on the verge of being cancelled :(
On Sat, 18 Aug 2001, Vintage Computer Festival wrote:
such
happen, leading me to believe that perhaps
exhibitors and vendors from
past years are too busy this year with the economy being the way it is to
consider participating.
Darn.... the George dubya Bushbooger strikes again, screwing something
else up; this time the economy, and hence the VCF as a result, just so
he can take credit for strengthening the economy some time from now.
Yet another example of childish politicians playing games with people's
incomes and lives, just for the sake of playing their childish game of
politics, with the goal of winning at any cost. Hopefully one day
we'll get some people with at least the intelligence of mentally
retarded monkeys to inhabit the Whitehouse... well, one can hope
anyway.
--
Copyright (C) 2001 R. D. Davis The difference between humans & other animals:
All Rights Reserved an unnatural belief that we're above Nature &
rdd(a)rddavis.net 410-744-4900 her other creatures, using dogma to justify http://www.rddavis.net beliefs and to justify
much human cruelty.
21 Aug
21 Aug
4:06 a.m.
New subject: sorry OT (was socio-political $%#@$#%)
At 01:33 PM 8/20/01 -0600, Dick wrote:
Does it surprise anyone that he allowed the
mostly Texan energy conglomerates that raped the California energy-consuming
public to back away quitely while he "formulated" a policy?
Oh, c'mon Dick, while Enron has done very well, one of the
players that has benefited the most is PG&E Corp, the parent
company of PG&E. They've been having record profits for the
last five quarters or so. The reason: they operate generators
within California. They even had their (now under Chapter 11)
sibling transfer money to them late last year. The point is:
they all were given a legal way to rape the Californian consumers.
They had no hesitation to do so. They are all the same, be it
Texan, Californian, whatever. It is just the standard way
of doing business.
Carlos.
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Carlos E. Murillo-Sanchez carlos_murillo(a)nospammers.ieee.org
20 Aug
20 Aug
2:25 p.m.
New subject: Change the damn subject line Re: VCF 5.0 on the verge of being cancelled :(
If you and the rest want to continue this conversation, how about at least
changing the damn subject line; good grief.
"R. D. Davis" wrote:
On Sat, 18 Aug 2001, Vintage Computer Festival wrote:
happen, leading me to believe that perhaps
exhibitors and vendors from
past years are too busy this year with the economy being the way it is to
consider participating.
Darn.... the George dubya Bushbooger strikes again, screwing something
else up; this time the economy, and hence the VCF as a result, just so
he can take credit for strengthening the economy some time from now.
Yet another example of childish politicians playing games with people's
incomes and lives, just for the sake of playing their childish game of
politics, with the goal of winning at any cost. Hopefully one day
we'll get some people with at least the intelligence of mentally
retarded monkeys to inhabit the Whitehouse... well, one can hope
anyway.
--
Copyright (C) 2001 R. D. Davis The difference between humans & other animals:
All Rights Reserved an unnatural belief that we're above Nature &
rdd(a)rddavis.net 410-744-4900 her other creatures, using dogma to justify such
http://www.rddavis.net beliefs and to justify much human cruelty.
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