At 12:38 AM 6/8/98 -0700, you wrote: A (very!) non-portable Mac "Clone" that I haven't seen mentioned yet is the Dash '030 from (iirc) 68000 systems. It's an actual Mac II-type motherboard in a huge server case. Ports were accessable on the top, and has about 6 or 7 drive bays up front. The front covers the drives and can be locked closed. Huge P/S, with filter on the back. Very serious systems. I've got two, actually. (Someday, Real Soon Now, I'll get one of 'em set up as a server for Rachel's classroom.) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/