15 Jan
2003
15 Jan
'03
2:47 p.m.
I have an IBM 5322. I can't find any useful information on the web. It
looks very much like a System/23 Datamaster. Is it one and the same?
Next question:
When I boot it up it comes up with a display as follows:
07 08 09 0A 0B 0C 0D 0E 0F 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 1A
-- -- --
1B 1C 1D 1E 1F 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 2A 2B 2C 2D 2E
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
2F 30 31 32 33 34[35]36 37 38 39 FD
-- --
4A
The hyphens underneath numbers indicate that those numbers are underlined,
and the square brackets indicate that that number is inversed video.
Does anyone know what this means?
Last question:
I press the RESET button and it clears the screen and goes into what looks
to be a prompt mode. It had "PROC START" on the bottom, so I entered this
as a command. Now a status line on the bottom has "OPTION 10" with the
"10" blinking and I can't figure out what to do.
Does anyone know what is going on? How do I boot from the floppy drive?
Anyone got an OS disk? A manual?
Thanks!
--
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15 Jan
15 Jan
2:58 p.m.
I have an IBM 5322. I can't find any useful
information on the web. It
looks very much like a System/23 Datamaster. Is it one and the same?
Doubtful. The type number suggests that it's probably a small System/32
machine, since System/34, /36, and /38 machines had type numbers
534x, 536x, and 538x.
5:21 p.m.
On Wed, 15 Jan 2003, Eric Smith wrote:
Aha. Well, this is an all-in-one of course. My intent is to try to
access those IBM disks I have with this.
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I have an IBM
5322. I can't find any useful information on the web. It
looks very much like a System/23 Datamaster. Is it one and the same?
Doubtful. The type number suggests that it's probably a small System/32
machine, since System/34, /36, and /38 machines had type numbers
534x, 536x, and 538x. 
5:37 p.m.
On Wed, 2003-01-15 at 17:47, Vintage Computer Festival wrote:
I have an IBM 5322. I can't find any useful
information on the web. It
looks very much like a System/23 Datamaster. Is it one and the same?
Next question:
When I boot it up it comes up with a display as follows:
07 08 09 0A 0B 0C 0D 0E 0F 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 1A
-- -- --
1B 1C 1D 1E 1F 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 2A 2B 2C 2D 2E
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
2F 30 31 32 33 34[35]36 37 38 39 FD
-- --
4A
The hyphens underneath numbers indicate that those numbers are underlined,
and the square brackets indicate that that number is inversed video.
Does anyone know what this means?
This is the boot diagnostics. I *used* to know what the individual
numbers were, but alas 1980 was a long time ago.
Last question:
I press the RESET button and it clears the screen and goes into what looks
to be a prompt mode. It had "PROC START" on the bottom, so I entered this
as a command. Now a status line on the bottom has "OPTION 10" with the
"10" blinking and I can't figure out what to do.
You're in the command prompt. There should be a way to get it (again
that 1980 thing) to enter the editor so that you can write some code in
BASIC.
Does anyone know what is going on? How do I boot from
the floppy drive?
Anyone got an OS disk? A manual?
Everything is in ROM. The floppies are for storage of programs and
such.
Thanks!
--
TTFN - Guy
6:05 p.m.
On 15 Jan 2003, Guy Sotomayor wrote:
This is the boot diagnostics. I *used* to know what
the individual
numbers were, but alas 1980 was a long time ago.
Hmm, well maybe I'll come across some manuals. Maybe they're in my
garage right now.
You're in the command prompt. There should be a
way to get it (again
that 1980 thing) to enter the editor so that you can write some code in
BASIC.
Oh, so BASIC is in ROM?
Everything is in ROM. The floppies are for storage of
programs and
such.
Neat-o!
Thanks for the inf-o!
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7:58 p.m.
On Wed, 2003-01-15 at 20:54, Sellam Ismail wrote:
Yea, about 112K worth for the control program and the BASIC interpreter
(actually somewhat of a compiler, when you finished editing, it would
compile it in to byte codes and run that). It could have up to 128K of
RAM in it.
Do you actually have one of these beasts?
--
TTFN - Guy
On 15 Jan 2003, Guy Sotomayor wrote:
You'll know it if you have them. There were about 6' of manuals for
that machine. The binder covers were a dark orangish beige.
This is the boot diagnostics. I *used* to know
what the individual
numbers were, but alas 1980 was a long time ago.
Hmm, well maybe I'll come across some manuals. Maybe they're in my
garage right now. You're in the command prompt. There should
be a way to get it (again
that 1980 thing) to enter the editor so that you can write some code in
BASIC.
Oh, so BASIC is in ROM?
9:31 p.m.
On 15 Jan 2003, Guy Sotomayor wrote:
I only have a box-ful of manuals:
Learning System/23 BASIC
BASIC Language Reference Sections 1&2
Learning to Use System/23
Operator's Reference
System Reference
System Messages
Customer Support Functions Volumes 1&2
Hmm, well
maybe I'll come across some manuals. Maybe they're in my
garage right now.
You'll know it if you have them. There were about 6' of manuals for
that machine. The binder covers were a dark orangish beige. Do you actually have one of these beasts?
Yes!
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9:06 p.m.
On Wed, 15 Jan 2003, Sellam Ismail wrote:
On 15 Jan 2003, Guy Sotomayor wrote:
Well whaddya know? I picked up a box of IBM System/23 manuals from a lady
in the next city over a while back. She unfortunately ditched the machine
but held onto the manuals, then found me and told me to come and get 'em.
I picked them up and stored them away in my garage.
Here's what it says on the Specifications page of one of the manuals I
have--the "IBM System/23 Business Management and Accounting System":
The IBM System/23 Inventory Accounting application is designed to operate
on an IBM System/23 Datamaster system with the following minimum
configuration:
o 1--5322 Computer, Model 124 (64K, 1mb)
o 1--5241 Printer (any model)
o Diskette Sort Feature (#6300)
So what I have is, in fact, a System/23 Datamaster. Sweet!
So there you have it, Eric ;)
I also have all the software diskettes for this application as well, so I
can play around with them.
I'm guessing that the disks I have that I am trying to read were made on a
System/23. If I'm super lucky, I even have the applications with which
the data on them was created.
The next thing will be to figure out how to export the data from this
machine to a PC.
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This is the boot diagnostics. I *used* to know
what the individual
numbers were, but alas 1980 was a long time ago.
Hmm, well maybe I'll come across some manuals. Maybe they're in my
garage right now.
4:46 p.m.
On 16 Jan 2003, Guy Sotomayor wrote:
On Wed, 2003-01-15 at 23:58, Sellam Ismail wrote:
After having written software to convert punch card data to ASCII, I've
got this covered.
I think the real trick will be determining whether or not this has a
serial port. If not, I'll have to look into sending it out the printer
port.
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The next thing will be to figure out how to
export the data from this
machine to a PC.
Which will be even more exciting given the fact that the /23 uses EBCDIC
and not ASCII for character codes.
9:46 p.m.
Sellam writes about the IBM System/23:
I think the real trick will be determining whether or
not this has a
serial port. If not, I'll have to look into sending it out the printer
port.
Don't count on the printer port having the same pinout as anything you've
ever seen before. I suppose there's a very small chance that it might
use the same connector and pinout as a PC, but more likely not.
On the other hand, you should obviously ignore anything I have to say
about a 5322, since yesterday I was completely wrong about what kind
of computer it is. (I was foolish to expect IBM to maintain anything
like a consistent numbering scheme.)
17 Jan
17 Jan
5:02 a.m.
On Fri, 17 Jan 2003, Eric Smith wrote:
Sellam writes about the IBM System/23:
I don't doubt that it is something totally foreign to anything I have
experienced before. That being said, as long as there's documentation
somewhere, I should be able to decode it and use some sort of parallel
interface board, or my 6522 board, to capture the signals on my Apple ][,
process them, and then spit it out the serial port to a PC.
I think the real trick will be determining
whether or not this has a
serial port. If not, I'll have to look into sending it out the printer
port.
Don't count on the printer port having the same pinout as anything you've
ever seen before. I suppose there's a very small chance that it might
use the same connector and pinout as a PC, but more likely not. On the other hand, you should obviously ignore
anything I have to say
about a 5322, since yesterday I was completely wrong about what kind
of computer it is. (I was foolish to expect IBM to maintain anything
like a consistent numbering scheme.)
It was a reasonable guess ;)
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18 Jan
18 Jan
6:22 a.m.
On Fri, 17 Jan 2003, Tony Duell wrote:
The System 23 I briefly worked on (as in 'got
inside') had a DE9
connector for the printer IIRC. It was a _current loop_ serial port, and
of course the character set is EBCDIC (but as you say, that's a minor
problem).
I was wondering what that connector was. Now I know :)
I think (based on the current loop on the PC Async
card) that IBM's
convention was that transmiters were active and non-isolated, receivers
were passive and opto-isolated, but do check this before hooking
anything up.
Cool, after the punch card project I actually know what you're talking
about ;)
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17 Jan
17 Jan
8:23 a.m.
The next thing
will be to figure out how to export the data from this
machine to a PC.
Which will be even more exciting given the fact that the /23 uses
EBCDIC
and not ASCII for character codes. 
15 Jan
15 Jan
9:36 p.m.
I have an IBM 5322. I can't find any useful
information on
the web. It looks very much like a System/23 Datamaster. Is
it one and the same?
Next question:
When I boot it up it comes up with a display as follows:
07 08 09 0A 0B 0C 0D 0E 0F 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 1A
-- -- --
1B 1C 1D 1E 1F 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 2A 2B 2C 2D 2E
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
2F 30 31 32 33 34[35]36 37 38 39 FD
-- --
4A
The hyphens underneath numbers indicate that those numbers
are underlined, and the square brackets indicate that that
number is inversed video.
Does anyone know what this means?
Last question:
I press the RESET button and it clears the screen and goes
into what looks to be a prompt mode. It had "PROC START" on
the bottom, so I entered this as a command. Now a status
line on the bottom has "OPTION 10" with the "10" blinking and
I can't figure out what to do.
Does anyone know what is going on? How do I boot from the
floppy drive? Anyone got an OS disk? A manual?
Thanks!
--
Sellam Ismail Vintage
It is a Datamaster -- the same thing I had in my exhibit at VCF 5.0.
The numbers indicate internal diagnostic tests. Here's what the numbers
stand for:
01 CPU
02 ROS
03 Reserved
04 R/W Storage
05-07 CRT Controller
08 Page registers
09-19 ROS installed on planar board
1A-29 Feature ROS installed on I/O cards
2A-30 R/W Storage
31 R/W Storage Page Register
32 DMA Page Register
33 Interrupt Controller
34 Internal Timer
35 Keyboard
36 Printer Attachment
37 Diagnose Command to Printer
38 Diskette Attachment
39 +24 Volts to internal diskette
3A Second printer attachment
3B Diagnose CMD to Second Printer
3C Internal Wrap of Serial Interface Adapter
3D Open link to a 5247 [hard disk]
3E Check 5247 Disk unit for "ready" status
FD System Diskette installation
An underlined number means the feature is not attached to the 5322. My
diagnostics manual says that if you get a display of 3F through FC (and
I believe 4A would fall in there) then you need to "replace CPU planar
board". However, because you are getting to PROC START -- which is
where you should be, I think the problem lies elsewhere -- with the 35.
According to the manual, the inverse video on the 35 means that you have
a "jammed down key" that is being detected on startup. This may well be
causing the "41".
"PROC START" is the normal prompt following boot and is asking you to
insert the "Customer Support Functions" diskette into the computer,
which contains a program called "START" which is an update program which
prompts you to enter date, time, etc. When you hit enter (or type PROC
START as you did) the 5322 looks for the program in the disk drive. The
flashing "OPTION 10" is an action code meaning "insert diskette."
You
can clear this by either using (1) the error reset key, (2) Cmd key and
Error Reset, or (3) Cmd key and Attn key.
The computer boots to BASIC, which is the OS. Try typing in a few lines
when you get the PROC START screen. I have manuals. I also have
customer support disk, learning disk, etc. if you need copies. I also
have an extra planar board (condition unknown) if you think it's a
problem.
-W
16 Jan
16 Jan
7:05 a.m.
On Thu, 16 Jan 2003, Wayne M. Smith wrote:
The numbers indicate internal diagnostic tests.
Here's what the numbers
stand for:
01 CPU
02 ROS
03 Reserved
04 R/W Storage
05-07 CRT Controller
08 Page registers
09-19 ROS installed on planar board
1A-29 Feature ROS installed on I/O cards
2A-30 R/W Storage
31 R/W Storage Page Register
32 DMA Page Register
33 Interrupt Controller
34 Internal Timer
35 Keyboard
36 Printer Attachment
37 Diagnose Command to Printer
38 Diskette Attachment
39 +24 Volts to internal diskette
3A Second printer attachment
3B Diagnose CMD to Second Printer
3C Internal Wrap of Serial Interface Adapter
3D Open link to a 5247 [hard disk]
3E Check 5247 Disk unit for "ready" status
FD System Diskette installation
Awesome! Thanks for typing that up.
Also, that is a pretty cool way to know how your system is doing when you
boot it up.
According to the manual, the inverse video on the 35
means that you have
a "jammed down key" that is being detected on startup. This may well be
causing the "41".
This may be caused by the broken 0 key on the numeric keypad. The keycap
is missing and the spring is hanging out the tube that the key used to be
mounted upon. At any rate I think you are right that the 4A is an
artifact of the 35.
The computer boots to BASIC, which is the OS. Try
typing in a few lines
when you get the PROC START screen. I have manuals. I also have
You mean instead of PROC START I can type something like:
10 PRINT "HELLO WORLD"
?
customer support disk, learning disk, etc. if you need
copies. I also
have an extra planar board (condition unknown) if you think it's a
problem.
I don't think I have the Customer Support Functions disk so, yes, a copy
would be quite welcome.
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10:13 a.m.
When the 5322 starts, it goes through a diagnostic proceedure. That's
what the numbers are. I'm not sure what the error code is, but it might
be looking for the printer. As I recall proc start is roughly equal to run.
On Wed, 15 Jan 2003, Vintage Computer Festival wrote:
I have an IBM 5322. I can't find any useful information on the web. It
looks very much like a System/23 Datamaster. Is it one and the same?
Next question:
When I boot it up it comes up with a display as follows:
07 08 09 0A 0B 0C 0D 0E 0F 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 1A
-- -- --
1B 1C 1D 1E 1F 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 2A 2B 2C 2D 2E
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
2F 30 31 32 33 34[35]36 37 38 39 FD
-- --
4A
The hyphens underneath numbers indicate that those numbers are underlined,
and the square brackets indicate that that number is inversed video.
Does anyone know what this means?
Last question:
I press the RESET button and it clears the screen and goes into what looks
to be a prompt mode. It had "PROC START" on the bottom, so I entered this
as a command. Now a status line on the bottom has "OPTION 10" with the
"10" blinking and I can't figure out what to do.
Does anyone know what is going on? How do I boot from the floppy drive?
Anyone got an OS disk? A manual?
Thanks!
--
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