15 Dec
1998
15 Dec
'98
9:21 a.m.
At 01:51 PM 12/15/98 -0600, Doug Yowza wrote:
There's no guarantee that somebody who buys here
won't
resell it on ebay or elsewhere for more. [...] then I think a simple
contract could be drawn up to help ensure that, and those conditions could
be stated in the ad.
What's next, purity tests and monthly check-ups to insure that
everyone's mind and body are innocent enough to own and sell
old computers?
If some Microsoft millionaire wants to pay stupid prices for
old junk, what'ya gonna do, resort to vigilante indoctrination
until they're willing to waste weekends searching thrift stores?
There's no use getting upset about the right edge of the bell
curve of Altair prices.
- John
15 Dec
15 Dec
9:46 a.m.
On Tue, 15 Dec 1998, John Foust wrote:
What's next, purity tests and monthly check-ups to
insure that
everyone's mind and body are innocent enough to own and sell
old computers?
That's an idea. Do you think there's a greed gene we could test for?
The point was that there's more than one motivation for selling something,
and money alone isn't always it. Offering a computer to this list
when a more efficient market is known implies to me that money is not
the prime motivator, so if the seller has something else in mind,
shouldn't steps be taken to ensure that those wishes are honored?
If some Microsoft millionaire wants to pay stupid
prices for
old junk, what'ya gonna do, resort to vigilante indoctrination
until they're willing to waste weekends searching thrift stores?
There's no use getting upset about the right edge of the bell
curve of Altair prices.
I have no problem with high prices being paid, but I have problems with
high prices being *publicized* because it directly affects me and the
hobby in a negative way.
But this isn't a rant about prices, it's about expectations of behavior in
this "community." We can no longer assume that everybody on this list is
interested in the preservation of old computers, so it doesn't make sense
to offer "special" deals here with the expectation that the machines will
get "special" treatment.
-- Doug
10:57 a.m.
Doug Yowza:
<FontFamily><param>Arial</param>On
Tue, 15 Dec 1998, John Foust wrote:<FontFamily><param>Courier</param>
<color><param>7F00,0000,0000</param>> > What's next, purity
tests and monthly check-ups to insure that
> everyone's mind and body are innocent enough
to own and sell
> old computers?
That's an idea. Do you think there's a greed
gene we could test for?
The point was that there's more than one
motivation for selling something,
and money alone isn't always it. Offering a
computer to this list
when a more efficient market is known implies to me
that money is not
the prime motivator, so if the seller has something
else in mind,
shouldn't steps be taken to ensure that those
wishes are honored?
</color>Or at least to give the fellows a first shoot.
<color><param>7F00,0000,0000</param>> > If some Microsoft
millionaire wants to pay stupid prices for
> old junk, what'ya gonna do, resort to
vigilante indoctrination
> until they're willing to waste weekends
searching thrift stores?
> There's no use getting upset about the right
edge of the bell
> curve of Altair prices.
I have no problem with high prices being paid, but I
have problems with
high prices being *publicized* because it directly
affects me and the
hobby in a negative way.
</color>Only because some people think this is a measurement _and_
other collectors are willing to pay higher prices as they
where before.
<color><param>7F00,0000,0000</param>> But this isn't a rant about
prices, it's about expectations of behavior in
this "community." We can no longer assume
that everybody on this list is
interested in the preservation of old computers, so it
doesn't make sense
to offer "special" deals here with the
expectation that the machines will
get "special" treatment.
<color><param>0000,0000,8000</param>Gut gebruellt Loewe, but whats a
'good' member and whats not ?
Do you want to set up a second list with 'invitation only'
sign at the front desk ? This would just keep newbees (people
born later than 1968like almost half the people here I guess)
out and then ?
I just assume everybody here has the same (or at least similar)
motivation and feeling toward the ol'metal as me - until proved
false.
Gruss
hans
<nofill>
--
Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut
HRK
10:16 a.m.
On Tue, 15 Dec 1998, Hans Franke wrote:
Gut gebruellt Loewe, but whats a 'good' member
and whats not ?
Do you want to set up a second list with 'invitation only'
sign at the front desk ? This would just keep newbees (people
born later than 1968like almost half the people here I guess)
out and then ?
No, I prefer open and rotten to closed and "pure." But that doesn't mean
that I allow myself to be easily exploited by the rotten. This is becoming
way too abstract. Why are people afraid of contracts? When did contracts
become a New Orwelian invention?
I just assume everybody here has the same (or at least
similar)
motivation and feeling toward the ol'metal as me - until proved
false.
Same here. Contact me for details if you'd like. [Organ music swells.
Fade to black.]
-- Doug
11:28 a.m.
> Gut gebruellt Loewe, but whats a 'good'
member and whats not ?
> Do you want to set up a second list with 'invitation only'
> sign at the front desk ? This would just keep newbees (people
> born later than 1968like almost half the people here I guess)
> out and then ?
No, I prefer open and rotten to closed and
"pure." But that doesn't mean
that I allow myself to be easily exploited by the rotten. This is becoming
way too abstract. Why are people afraid of contracts? When did contracts
become a New Orwelian invention?
Don't get me wron, I'm not afraid of contracts, I just found that
if you need a _written_ (and I think this is it) contract to bann
the other, he will find ways to avoid the bann, and nothing is
reached. I buy my cars without a written contract, I put some
USD 150,000 into renovating my condo without a written contract,
I put up two companies without written contract, and I will stay
this way. If the other don't honour my word, why should I do business
with him ? Ok, now I think we are geting deep into a personal
viewpoint (BTW: If you ask, no, this might not be the usual German
way - I don't know, maybe I have some Arab blood ...).
> I just assume everybody here has the same (or at
least similar)
> motivation and feeling toward the ol'metal as me - until proved
> false.
Same here. Contact me for details if you'd like.
[Organ music swells.
Fade to black.]
Cut, Tada, Always Ultra, a ladys life has has never been easer.
Now extra strong and still soft - tada - Back to the show.
(I like the way how they lift the thrill by inserting 'messages'
at the right moment... :)
Hans
--
Der Kopf ist auch nur ein Auswuchs wie der kleine Zeh.
H.Achternbusch
11:08 a.m.
<FontFamily><param>Arial</param>On Tue, 15 Dec 1998, John Foust
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