Matter of fact AMD was subcontracted at one point to MAKE processors for Intel, when demands were up and they couldn't meet market requirements - and many of the AMD made Intel branded chips are better than many of the Intel ones. I don't remember if it was the 386 era or 486 though. -> -----Original Message----- -> From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org -> [mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of -> UberTechnoid(a)home.com -> Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 3:37 PM -> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org -> Subject: Re: Is there no end -> -> -> Yea. I think some of thier 486dlc chips also bore that little emblem. -> Don't worry. I used to run OS/2 on an AMD486 and on the 486dlc. The -> processors are completely compatible with Intel's as far as I've -> been able -> to see. -> -> In <S.0000001761(a)mythtech.net>et>, on 12/14/01 -> at 04:06 PM, Chris <mythtech(a)Mac.com> said: -> -> >Ugh... this takes the cake. -> -> >I was pulling apart a 486 logic board, and I pulled the heat -> sink off the -> > chip... to be greated with an AMD 486 chip with "Made for Microsoft -> >Windows" and the Windows logo stamped on it. -> -> >What... no other OS is supposed to use an intel compatible -> processor?!? I -> > am sure anyone that bought this chip to use with any other OS probably -> >paid an MS tax because of that stamp! -> -> >Just for that, I think I might see if I can get my Intel build of -> >Rhapsody to install on it. -> -> >Ok, so it isn't 10 years or older, but at least you people can -> understand -> > the pain. -> -> >-c -> -> -> -- -> ----------------------------------------------------------- -> Jeffrey S. Worley -> Asheville, NC USA -> 828-6984887 -> UberTechnoid(a)Home.com -> ----------------------------------------------------------- -> ->

AMD's faster coprocessors also caused quite a problem if I remember correctly. Harris also pushed the 286 faster than any of the other sources. I remember PC Magazine running an article comparing various 286 machines with a headline that mimicked the Corvair's 'Unsafe at any speed' headline. Jeff -- Home of the TRS-80 Model 2000 FAQ File http://www.cchaven.com http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/lakes/6757

On Fri, 14 Dec 2001 UberTechnoid(a)home.com wrote: Well, I never had problems with the 486 AMD & Cyrix, and that dlc flat smoked a comparable Intel 486, but I've had both AMD K-6 and Cyrix 686 boxes in the 166-200mHz class, and they did not fare well with Windows. Constant lockups and the occasional hard freeze. I'm quite sure it wasn't a hardware issue, such as thermal problems, because Linux ran just fine on all of them. Having said all that, I'm convinced that the IBM/Cyrix 686 bot its bad rap mostly from third-rate integrators and $4 HS/fan combos. I charged a BUNCH of $50-$75 service call to pop the heatsink, spread some thermal paste, and put the cover back on. Doc

And that stigma just happened to be floundered by many inadvertant Intel marketing means - don't know if they intended to make buyers think that AMD was anything less but the general public started thinking it. -> -----Original Message----- -> From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org -> [mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Bryan Pope -> Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 3:40 PM -> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org -> Subject: Re: Is there no end -> -> -> -> I think the real reason for the stamp was to assure people that -> the AMD chip -> could run any WIndows program. There was the stigma at that -> time - if the -> CPU didn't have the Intel logo on it, you computer wouldn't run -> all of the PC -> programs. -> -> Bryan -> -> -> > -> > Ugh... this takes the cake. -> > -> > I was pulling apart a 486 logic board, and I pulled the heat -> sink off the -> > chip... to be greated with an AMD 486 chip with "Made for Microsoft -> > Windows" and the Windows logo stamped on it. -> > -> > What... no other OS is supposed to use an intel compatible -> processor?!? I -> > am sure anyone that bought this chip to use with any other OS probably -> > paid an MS tax because of that stamp! -> > -> > Just for that, I think I might see if I can get my Intel build of -> > Rhapsody to install on it. -> > -> > Ok, so it isn't 10 years or older, but at least you people can -> understand -> > the pain. -> > -> > -c -> > -> > -> ->

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