OK, HP Pascal may be worth a try sometime. Is it related to any other Pascal (like, say, the UCSD P-system)? Right... Grease problems are a non-issue to me (I've repaired enough of said drives to be able to do them blindfolded (well, not literally, but you get the idea)). And floppy / floopy drive wear has to be balanced, I guess, agaisnt the possiblity of a headcrash on the hard drive... As regards convenience, if I can fit a BASIC configured the way I want (with the necessare I/O drivers) on one disk, and have a second disk for my programs, that should be quite useable. I can make backups/images of the disks on my PC of course. (I know I can read the distribution disks that way because I've done so). I must admit to nveer having had problesm with my HP floppy drives -- I use a 9114 all the time on my handhelds (640K is tons of storage for an HP41 :-)). -tony