24 Mar
2010
24 Mar
'10
5:46 a.m.
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 19:16:50 -0400
From: Sridhar Ayengar <ploopster at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Wanted: Graphics card and drive sled for RS/6000 7046-B50
M H Stein wrote:
Neither would be compatible.
Peace... Sridhar
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Thanks for that info, Sridhar; I googled the 7046 and yes, it looks like it's
at least ten years newer than mine which I think is one of the very first
RS/6000s, and a completely different machine; too bad.
mike
I recently
bought an RS/6000 7046-B50. It didn't have a graphics card
installed (I can use it over a serial console, but I would prefer to be
able to use a graphical console). It is also missing the drive sleds.
Does anybody have a graphics card or drive sled that would work with it?
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A few days ago I posted here about an RS/6000 available in the Toronto
area but there was no interest either here or elsewhere, so it's being
scrapped on Thursday.
This is an RS/6000 Power Server 520, Type 7013, Model# 26-10855;
If it has a graphics card would it fit in yours and what would the number be?
And are the sleds compatible? 
24 Mar
24 Mar
4:58 a.m.
New subject: Talking of old IBM systems
Reading a thread on old RS/6000's, I came to think of something I heard in
the 80's or thereabouts.
It was said, that decommissioned 360's were dumped in the Atlantic, to
prevent that they fell in the hands of the OEM manufacturers.
Is there any truth in this statement?
10:16 a.m.
New subject: Talking of old IBM systems
Reading a thread on old RS/6000's, I came to think
of something I heard in
the 80's or thereabouts.
It was said, that decommissioned 360's were dumped in the Atlantic, to
prevent that they fell in the hands of the OEM manufacturers.
Is there any truth in this statement?
I don't know about the ocean, but they did send them off to
scrap yards and stuff to be demolished. I had a roommate in
college who had worked at one of these places in high school
and he had one of the 360 nameplates as a souvenir. And there
was more than just OEMs to consider. Back then they'd lease
you their grandmother but not sell much of anything. So
when something went off lease and they had a new model,
most customers were "gently" encouraged to lease the new
one and IBM would pull the old one. So what to do with
the old ones? Well, you can guess. Certainly couldn't have
the older model in the used market to cut into leases on
the new one...
BLS
10:55 a.m.
New subject: Talking of old IBM systems
Subject: Re: Talking of old IBM systems
Ah yes, the lease problem. I had forgotten about that one.
Nice folklore : shortly after I canged jobs, the new place got a new leased
2540 http://www.columbia.edu/acis/history/2540.html
When I opened it up, I got quite astonished, as it was the exact same 2540 I
had used in my old job. How I could tell ? My pack of cards was in the door
pocket ! And the 2540 was supposed to be new. They hadnt even cleared out
old confetti!
Another place I was some years later, the 360/25 was to be replaced with a
370/125 (IIRC). So, friday afternoon the technician came, dismantled
everything, and saturday morning the movers came, to cart the system into
oblivion (I suppose). When the (other) movers were supposed to come with the
125, nothing happened. Panicking telephone calls, shouting, etc. Then a
telephonecall came, saying that the 125 had unexplicably been routed to
Paris, and they didnt know when it could come.
Call to the first move, who hadnt yet unloaded the truck. He came back, the
technician assembled the system again (I forgot to tell that the machine
room was on the first floor), and he went home sunday morning. MOnday we got
a call, that the system would arrive tuesday. Now the technician waited til
the new system was in the yard, before he started to disassemble the /25. I
didnt accomplish much that week.
Nico
Reading a
thread on old RS/6000's, I came to think of something I heard
in
the 80's or thereabouts.
It was said, that decommissioned 360's were dumped in the Atlantic, to
prevent that they fell in the hands of the OEM manufacturers.
Is there any truth in this statement?
I don't know about the ocean, but they did send them off to
scrap yards and stuff to be demolished. I had a roommate in
college who had worked at one of these places in high school
and he had one of the 360 nameplates as a souvenir. And there
was more than just OEMs to consider. Back then they'd lease
you their grandmother but not sell much of anything. So
when something went off lease and they had a new model,
most customers were "gently" encouraged to lease the new
one and IBM would pull the old one. So what to do with
the old ones? Well, you can guess. Certainly couldn't have
the older model in the used market to cut into leases on
the new one...
11:30 a.m.
New subject: Talking of old IBM systems
On 24 Mar 2010 at 9:16, blstuart at bellsouth.net wrote:
I don't know about the ocean, but they did send
them off to
scrap yards and stuff to be demolished. I had a roommate in
college who had worked at one of these places in high school
and he had one of the 360 nameplates as a souvenir. And there
was more than just OEMs to consider. Back then they'd lease
you their grandmother but not sell much of anything. So
when something went off lease and they had a new model,
most customers were "gently" encouraged to lease the new
one and IBM would pull the old one. So what to do with
the old ones? Well, you can guess. Certainly couldn't have
the older model in the used market to cut into leases on
the new one...
There's another aspect to the problem, that CDC ran into during the
70's--that of used parts finding their way into the mainstream.
Apparently, this was enough of a problem that CDC ordered that any
decommissioned system be reduced to unusable junk. At SVLOPS I saw
CEs spend hours taking bolt cutters and hammers to disk drives and
one-of-a-kind systems (STAR 1-Bs) after stripping useful bits from
them.
It hur to watch.
--Chuck
8:10 p.m.
New subject: Talking of old IBM systems
blstuart at bellsouth.net wrote:
Back then they'd lease
you their grandmother but not sell much of anything.
Actually they would sell you
anything that they would lease, at
commensurate pricing. That was part of their 1956 Consent Decree:
http://www.cptech.org/at/ibm/ibm1956cd.html
That's what allowed a thriving market for leasing from third parties
rather than IBM itself.
When IBM got machines back from lease, or as an exchange in an upgrade
deal, if they couldn't (or didn't want to) lease them out to another
customer, they would make sure they were destroyed in order to prevent
them from finding their way back into third-party sales or leasing.
This is why there are so few surviving 360 and 370 systems.
Eric
8:26 p.m.
New subject: Talking of old IBM systems
From: nico at farumdata.dk
To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
Subject: Talking of old IBM systems
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 09:58:53 +0100
Reading a thread on old RS/6000's, I came to think of something I heard in
the 80's or thereabouts.
It was said, that decommissioned 360's were dumped in the Atlantic, to
prevent that they fell in the hands of the OEM manufacturers.
Is there any truth in this statement?
Hi
Not sure which machines were involved but there was a junkyard
near San Luis Obispo, Ca that did in IBM lease machines. They'd
run a bulldozer over them.
I remember finding a nice fan that I used in the dorm to move
air on hot days and also one frame of core memory ( that I've
since lost ). That was in ( I think ) 1969.
Dwight
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