16 Apr
2019
16 Apr
'19
9:08 a.m.
From: Christian Corti
3710 Euro... someone with definitely too much money
... So no, we did
not get the system, and it probably won't go into a museum.
Well, I did send you email offering to contribute, to help you all buy it.
Did my email not make it to you?
Noel
16 Apr
16 Apr
9:11 a.m.
On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 11:08 AM Noel Chiappa via cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
Looks like it went for roughly $4k USD. Obviously logistics and storage
cost play into things, but somebody got a deal. Dang. -C
From:
Christian Corti
3710 Euro... someone with definitely too much
money ... So no, we did
not get the system, and it probably won't go into a museum.
Well, I did send you email offering to contribute, to help you all buy it.
Did my email not make it to you?
Noel
9:41 a.m.
Looks like it went for roughly $4k USD. Obviously
logistics and storage
cost play into things, but somebody got a deal. Dang. -C
Assuming the innards of the machines were not all rust buckets - yes.
I expected at least twice that, maybe triple.
But who knows - maybe the seller was not very cooperative, or there
were some other reason why the price remained low.
I did not bid because I went through a drama like this only a few
months back and am still pretty tapped out. That, and an ocean.
Oh, and with all the traffic this generated on many lists, almost no
one mentions the System/370 in the mix. I think it is the big yellow
box in the pictures.
--
Will
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Will
12:20 p.m.
On Tue, 16 Apr 2019, William Donzelli wrote:
Huh? Sorry, but I'm not made of money, and obviously, we have different
oppinions about the value of a large system in unknown or mediocre
condition. Sure, we would have been very happy if we could aquire the
system, restore it and have it running and showing it to our visitors.
But more than 1000? is not realistic, even with some noble offerings like
Noel's. You have to consider all the efforts and time and space you need
to invest into such an adventure.
I really hope that the buyer knows what he has and that he is capable to
repair and run the system.
I've seen more pictures of the site (thanks to a friend who visited the
site), and everything is dirty and burried under the ventilation system
that fell off the ceiling as well as under debris from the crumbling
ceiling, there must be a humidity problem. The door to the
room goes directly to the street, the house is at least 80 years old and
completely derelict. There is rust in the machines (e.g. I've seen
oxidation on the spindle of the 3340 disk modules sitting on top of
the 3125). There are power supply or whatever modules lying on the floor
in a corner amongst other junk.
Looks like it
went for roughly $4k USD. Obviously logistics and storage
cost play into things, but somebody got a deal. Dang. -C
Assuming the innards of the machines were not all rust buckets - yes.
I expected at least twice that, maybe triple. But who knows - maybe the seller was not very
cooperative, or there
were some other reason why the price remained low.
The seller is an antiquarian and local pickup is within two weeks.
Oh, and with all the traffic this generated on many
lists, almost no
one mentions the System/370 in the mix. I think it is the big yellow
box in the pictures.
Yes, but that is about all of the system. There's a hip high "table" with
yellow front and back doors, I guess that was the console, with obviously
missing setup. No peripherals for the 370/125 apart from a
printer-keyboard (from the number list) and a card reader, so no tape or
disk drives. The 3340 drives are missing (some corroded modules can be
seen on one pic).
But after all, I'm not too frustrated because I know where there is a
complete 360/20 and a complete 370/125 (with drives) still running :-)
These systems are already in a wonderful museum.
Christian
1:22 p.m.
Huh? Sorry, but I'm not made of money, and
obviously, we have different
oppinions about the value of a large system in unknown or mediocre
condition.
It is not your fault or anything - you gave it a good try. I have been
in the same boat, bidding what I could, but losing out. I think the
hammer price was far too low.
But more than 1000? is not realistic, even with some
noble offerings like
Noel's.
System/360 peripherals tend to sell for 200-1000 *each*, depending on
type and condition - and there were quite a lot of peripherals there.
This is not counting the actual processors (even if it was a stinky
little model 20 and a small (but very interesting) model 125).
You have to consider all the efforts and time and space
you need
to invest into such an adventure.
I have been on more than a few computer rescues.
I've seen more pictures of the site (thanks to a
friend who visited the
site), and everything is dirty and burried under the ventilation system
Eeewww...
Yes, but that is about all of the system. There's
a hip high "table" with
yellow front and back doors, I guess that was the console, with obviously
missing setup. No peripherals for the 370/125 apart from a
printer-keyboard (from the number list) and a card reader, so no tape or
disk drives. The 3340 drives are missing (some corroded modules can be
seen on one pic).
Still, S/370 peripherals tend to be easier to get, so a system could
be assembled. The processors are always the tough parts to find.
I think the model 125 had some built-in control units as well.
But after all, I'm not too frustrated because I
know where there is a
complete 360/20 and a complete 370/125 (with drives) still running :-)
These systems are already in a wonderful museum.
Clearly the pile was not purchased for scrap, so it will be
interesting to see where it ends up. We may never know, with the
secretive nature of big iron collectors..
--
Will
1:46 p.m.
On 16/04/2019 22:22, William Donzelli via cctalk wrote:
Clearly the pile was not purchased for scrap, so it
will be
interesting to see where it ends up. We may never know, with the
secretive nature of big iron collectors..
I know one of the group that bought it, but I am not sure if they are on
the list.
I believe the intention is to attempt to restore the /20 + peripherals.
Not sure about plans for the 370. It is a huge task, but they are keen.
So rest assured it won't be scrapped, and it won't disappear into a
collection.
Please don't ask me who it is. They are welcome to announce themselves
if they wish.
And it's not classic, but here's an IBM z/Series converted into a beer
fridge:
https://www.flickr.com/gp/ljw/NrV130
https://www.flickr.com/gp/ljw/35y797
--
Lawrence Wilkinson lawrence at ljw.me.uk
Ph +41(0)79 926 1036 http://www.ljw.me.uk
2:23 p.m.
I believe the intention is to attempt to restore the
/20 + peripherals.
Not sure about plans for the 370. It is a huge task, but they are keen.
Did they get docs and ALDs with the pile? Or is that a big unknown
until they start actually pulling the machines out.
The 3125 would likely be near impossible to get running without a full
set of docs.
--
Will
8:04 a.m.
On 04/17/2019 02:30 AM, Christian Corti via cctalk wrote:
On Tue, 16 Apr 2019, William Donzelli wrote:
Does the 3125 use a motor-generator set, like the larger
models? Do you have the right power to run the MG? I know
the MGs on the 3145 were oversized, so maybe the same unit
could also run nthe 3158, and demanded an INSANE current
surge when spinning up. Also, the running current, even at
idle, was pretty crazy, somewhere around 60 A at 208 V 3-phase.
Jon
The 3125 would likely be near impossible to get
running
without a full
set of docs.
I think I could have access to the 3125 docs (MLM, CTM,
ALD etc.). At least I know where they are.
8:18 a.m.
Does the 3125 use a motor-generator set, like the
larger
models? Do you have the right power to run the MG? I know
the MGs on the 3145 were oversized, so maybe the same unit
could also run nthe 3158, and demanded an INSANE current
surge when spinning up. Also, the running current, even at
idle, was pretty crazy, somewhere around 60 A at 208 V 3-phase.
No, the 3125 does not. Power consumption for a model 125 system is
actually not bad for a mainframe of the era.
Generally, big iron collectors are not to concerned about big copper.
--
Will
16 Apr
16 Apr
8:17 p.m.
Great! As Will says, this acquisition price is a small part of what it costs to move,
install and repair the system, so they got a very reasonable deal. Can you at least tell
us if it is coming stateside, or is it staying in Europe?
Marc
From: cctalk <cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org> on behalf of "cctalk at
classiccmp.org" <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Reply-To: "lawrence at ljw.me.uk" <lawrence at ljw.me.uk>, "cctalk at
classiccmp.org" <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Date: Tuesday, April 16, 2019 at 1:47 PM
To: "cctalk at classiccmp.org" <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Subject: Re: Pleas ID this IBM system....
On 16/04/2019 22:22, William Donzelli via cctalk wrote:
Clearly the pile was not purchased for scrap, so it will be
interesting to see where it ends up. We may never know, with the
secretive nature of big iron collectors..
I know one of the group that bought it, but I am not sure if they are on
the list.
I believe the intention is to attempt to restore the /20 + peripherals.
Not sure about plans for the 370. It is a huge task, but they are keen.
So rest assured it won't be scrapped, and it won't disappear into a
collection.
Please don't ask me who it is. They are welcome to announce themselves
if they wish.
And it's not classic, but here's an IBM z/Series converted into a beer
fridge:
https://www.flickr.com/gp/ljw/NrV130
https://www.flickr.com/gp/ljw/35y797
--
Lawrence Wilkinson lawrence at ljw.me.uk
Ph +41(0)79 926 1036 http://www.ljw.me.uk
13 May
13 May
7:16 a.m.
Anybody knows what happened with the German IBM 360? Was it ever picked up?
Will photos or details about the lot ever surface? Regards.
On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 10:47 PM Lawrence Wilkinson via cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
On 16/04/2019 22:22, William Donzelli via cctalk
wrote:
Clearly the pile was not purchased for scrap, so
it will be
interesting to see where it ends up. We may never know, with the
secretive nature of big iron collectors..
I know one of the group that bought it, but I am not sure if they are on
the list.
I believe the intention is to attempt to restore the /20 + peripherals.
Not sure about plans for the 370. It is a huge task, but they are keen.
So rest assured it won't be scrapped, and it won't disappear into a
collection.
Please don't ask me who it is. They are welcome to announce themselves
if they wish.
And it's not classic, but here's an IBM z/Series converted into a beer
fridge:
https://www.flickr.com/gp/ljw/NrV130
https://www.flickr.com/gp/ljw/35y797
--
Lawrence Wilkinson lawrence at ljw.me.uk
Ph +41(0)79 926 1036 http://www.ljw.me.uk
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