All these complaints about how things are won't fix a thing! If the LINUX community were interested in providing a service, that is, a service for anyone other than themselves, they'd have done the up-to-now missing 90% of the work and cleaned up and documented their software. Instead, you have a terrible mess of code with comments that hve been irrelevant and incorrect for the last 25 revisions, yet nobody's been willing to delete them. Generally, design and coding is about 2% of the job, debugging is another 3%, cleanup is about 5% and thorough and accurate documentation is about 90. has done little to provide tools useable by the masses. Instead of lighting that "one candle" they'd rather personalize their frustration, resulting, BTW, from their own lack of application effort, targeting Bill Gates, whose policies are really no different from those of any corporate leader. They're supposed to outdo the competition, trip them up, confound their efforts to acquire market share, and just generally try to do them in. Gates and Co have done well. What's more, for every LINUX user who's even remotely satisfied with what he has, there are thousands of Windows-users out there who love their OS. One difference, however, is that they (the Windows users) don't have to spend their lives stroking the OS just to keep it alive. Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Tinker" <jtinker(a)coin.org> To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 7:25 AM Subject: Re: Nuke Richmond to invent in foundation get is unless the

I've heard about this sort of behavior from time to time, but since I don't see it on those systems that actually have the top on, e.g. the notebooks, etc, I have to conclude that it's a result of my constant fiddling with the system. My Winbook, in spite of occasonally considerable external resources, has never had to be rebooted because it stepped on its (lesser appendage), though it's had to be rebooted for updates, from time to time. Unfortunately, I like the desktops better, because it doesn't strain my eyes so much. Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sellam Ismail" <foo(a)siconic.com> To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 12:12 PM Subject: Re: Nuke Richmond that Festival ---- http://www.vintage.org

Now that's what I call an "elegant solution" :-) Wish I could find an S.O. that is willing to do lawn work ... -- ----------------------------- personal page: http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ -- Cameron Kaiser, Point Loma Nazarene University * ckaiser(a)stockholm.ptloma.edu -- Hark, the Herald Tribune sings/Advertising wondrous things. -- Tom Lehrer --

Naturally, that dependes on the gardeners. :-P -- ----------------------------- personal page: http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ -- Cameron Kaiser, Point Loma Nazarene University * ckaiser(a)stockholm.ptloma.edu -- Why does Santa wear red underwear? Because he does all his laundry together.

I can't provide details, I just opened the wrong end of the rice crispy box. Not too bad on the face of it, but the other end was already open, with only the cat pleased with the results.

He proposed OpenSource-ing SunOS at Sun before going to SGI. Sun didn't want to open up their mods to BSD and giving themselves competition to the overly slow buggy Solaris 2.x at the time. Basically he did what Bill Jolitz did for 386BSD. Yanked the under 30 AT&T intellectual property and copyright files and made a BSD varient with no encumberances. Sun was deeply in bed with AT&T at the time and this went nowhere and a number of Sun customers swore to never go to Solaris. (Solaris < 2.4 should be avoided due to bugs and bad performance. Solaris 2 still requires twice the memory and cpu of SunOS4.x and Solaris 1 (SunOS4.x + Openwindows). --Bill -- bpechter(a)monmouth.com | FreeBSD since 1.0.2, Linux since 0.99.10 Brainbench MVP | Unix Sys Admin since Sys V/BSD 4.2 Unix Sys.Admin. | Windows System Administration: "Magical Misery Tour"