I wonder how many other people on this list have worked on pinball less, Don't know if you are aware of it but the video arcade game collecting hobby is about as close as it can get to being a mirror image of the classic computer hobby. It started at roughly the same time and has a very active and fast growing newsgroup <rec.games.video.arcade.collecting>. And, as I'm sure you know, all of the innovations and developments put into the coin-ops essentially follow the timeline of that for computers. And that is the foundation of their collecting interest as well. Many of them are employed by the computer industry as chip designers, software specialists, etc. And, eerily, their newsgroup recently devoted a great many long threads to the resistance of many to price increases just as is happening to computer collecting. Interestingly, though, while game collecting and computer collecting have so much in common - I am unaware of anyone who is a serious participant of both. Don't know why that is. But if you have not yet visited their newsgroup I think you will find it entertaining. Bob Wood ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com