10 Sep
1998
10 Sep
'98
6:04 p.m.
Hi everybody,
I have just acquired several large pieces of equipment and I have some
questions about them. I haven't moved them yet- some of these
questions concern moving them.
What I have are an IBM System 34 (model 5340), an IBM System 36 (model
5360), two tape drives (model 8809-1C), and two printers (model 3262-B1),
plus some manuals and tapes. Everything is supposed to be in working
order- they upgraded and pulled the plug.
1. How much do these things weigh? The computer person there estimated
2000 lb. for the 34, 1000 lb. for the 36, 700 lb. on the printers and 500
lb. on the tape drives. Does that sound about right?
2. How possible is partial dismantling for transport? I didn't get to
tear into them to look. Loading access is fairly good in the building
they are in, but unloading the 34 could be tricky. It would help if I
could lighten them up.
3. What needs to be done before moving? Head locking, moving or removing
anything, stuff like that.
Other less important stuff that I'm curious about:
4. What kind of interface does it have to the terminals?
5. What kind of power does it need? I'd assume 3 phase 220v.
6. How much computing power is this? Compared to a VAX 11/750, say.
7. How will these things tolerate living in an unheated building over
winter? I live in IL.
Any other hints and tips would be greatly appreciated. I'd really like to
be able to move these machines without damage (to the machines or me).
I went there today mainly as a recon mission, but they convinced me to
take home a Wang word processing system. The server is a model OIS-60X,
and it has 4 terminals hooked up by RS336 (?) over coax (BNC connectors),
plus a laser printer. I think the printer weighs more than the server.
I got a bunch of cartridges for it, and some Canon copier cartridges too,
"because they're almost the same". I think not.
Thanks,
Richard Schauer
rws(a)ais.net
10 Sep
10 Sep
6:25 p.m.
At 22:04 10-09-98 -0500, "Richard W. Schauer" <rws(a)ais.net> wrote:
Hi everybody,
I have just acquired several large pieces of equipment and I have some
questions about them. I haven't moved them yet- some of these
questions concern moving them.
What I have are an IBM System 34 (model 5340), an IBM System 36 (model
5360), two tape drives (model 8809-1C), and two printers (model 3262-B1),
plus some manuals and tapes. Everything is supposed to be in working
order- they upgraded and pulled the plug.
1. How much do these things weigh? The computer person there estimated
2000 lb. for the 34, 1000 lb. for the 36, 700 lb. on the printers and 500
lb. on the tape drives. Does that sound about right?
I know a bit about the 3262's. Had a chance to drag one home with my 9370
system. Too doggone big to handle so I did not take it. Stripped
electronics out and had to scrap rest :-(
They do weigh something over 525 pounds. Not much could be stripped to make
them lighter. Maybe the PSU which weighs about 70-80 pounds.
220 volts, single phase is the power needed. Don't think they can be set to
115v. but I could check the hardware manual I got stashed in some box
around here that is not yet unpacked.
The 3262's are however on wheels which would make moving somewhat easier.
Mr. Donzelli is one of the listmembers who knows IBM Big Iron. He might
chime-in on the other components.
Good luck.
Chris
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13 Sep
13 Sep
2:45 p.m.
220 volts, single phase is the power needed. Don't
think they can be set to
115v. but I could check the hardware manual I got stashed in some box
around here that is not yet unpacked.
The 3262's are however on wheels which would make moving somewhat easier.
Mr. Donzelli is one of the listmembers who knows IBM Big Iron. He might
chime-in on the other components.
Well, I was not part of either of the RCS/RI System 3x moving parties.
Sorry.
Looking at the S/34 however, it looks like taking heavy bits out might
just be a real pain in the butt.
One interesting chunk of trivia is that IBM actually put some thought into
deciding how big to make these machines. They had their engineers make the
box so it could be moved around inside "standard" office building
elevators, as they did not want to screw themselves out of sales just
because of a few inches.
William Donzelli
william(a)ans.net
10 Sep
10 Sep
6:36 p.m.
New subject: Mystery cartridge -- help identify?
Perhaps this list can help me identify something I just picked up.
It's a white plastic cartridge with a 44-pin male card-edge connector and a
light blue plastic female passthru for the same type of connector. It has a
square black plastic button on top. It is (was) glued shut. Inside there is
an 24-pin EEPROM (88251A+ MM2716Q) with a Mitsubish Electric sticker
covering the window, a 14-pin IC (P234 DM7400N), and another 14-pin IC (EL
SALVADOR 1820-0328 7936 <Texas Instruments Logo> SN7402N). And two small
resistors and capacitors. On the circuitboard it says "NAVARONE (C)" and
next to the contacts where the little carbon pad on the underside of the
button makes contact, it says "TOP".
It looked about the right size for a C64 cartridge, but it doesn't do
anything.
Any ideas? Too bad I pretty much destroyed the case while opening it. It
was glued shut pretty tight.
-jrs
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8:21 p.m.
I've only seen a System/34, so that's all I'm talking about... You can get
more info by going to
http://www.ibmlink.ibm.com/cgi-bin/master?request=menu&parms=&xu=gu…
gon and choose the SalesManual link, enter the part number(5340, 5360,
etc...) and off you go... Be sure to use the inactive option for the older
hardware, and then go through all of them and see what pops up. Lots of
cool stuff...
1. How much do these things weigh? The computer
person there estimated
2000 lb. for the 34, 1000 lb. for the 36, 700 lb. on the printers and 500
lb. on the tape drives. Does that sound about right?
Probably. The 34 is very large
and heavy, but they have very nice wheels
under them, works great on smooth floors. No info at IBMLink about
size/weight/etc...
2. How possible is partial dismantling for transport?
I didn't get to
tear into them to look. Loading access is fairly good in the building
they are in, but unloading the 34 could be tricky. It would help if I
could lighten them up.
I'm not sure. There really isn't much that can come
apart. I suppose you
could get the hard drives out, but I'm not sure how(just moving those
around would be interesting to watch...). You could take out the floppy
drive, but it doesn't weigh much. Maybe you could get the power supply out,
but I don't know how. I would be worried more about the cabling than the
actual hardware, I'm not sure how everythings hooked up in there.
Other less important stuff that I'm curious about:
4. What kind of interface does it have to the terminals?
The 5340 uses twin-ax
cabling(big thick expensive stuff) going to 5250-type
terminals. You could also use a PC as a terminal using a twinax interface
card(they seem kinda expensive to me, I seem to remember seeing them for
around $150+ last time I looked). You can still buy the cabling and maybe
the terminals, go to http://www.system3x.com/, which has TONS of Sys/3x and
AS/400 stuff.
5. What kind of power does it need? I'd assume 3
phase 220v.
IBMLink shows single phase 208v or 230v as the options available.
6. How much computing power is this? Compared to a
VAX 11/750, say.
I'm not sure, but I doubt it's very much. Looking at
IBMLink, they maxed
out with a 258MB hard drive(which required an extension to the cabinet),
and 256K RAM. Bottom end was 8MB HD and 32K RAM.
7. How will these things tolerate living in an
unheated building over
winter? I live in IL.
Well, most people joke(or were they?) about using them AS a
heater... Do a
search at DejaNews(http://www.dejanews.com/) use the power search option
and set an early begin search date. There's some interesting stories about
the S/34, but mostly resumes for people who once programmed them but no
longer remember anythign about them...
Any other hints and tips would be greatly appreciated.
I'd really like to
be able to move these machines without damage (to the machines or me).
I'd be
worried about damage to yourself. Times like this are good to have
an ambulance sitting nearby ;-)
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