21 Nov
2000
21 Nov
'00
11:59 a.m.
How many eight-bit micros are there with TCP/IP implementations?
I can only think of the C64 and the MSX.
For the C64, there are AFAIK two implementations. One is a "normal" C64
program, with some clients for telnet, IRC and FTP, IIRC. The other one is a
UNIX look-a-like called Lunix, which will een handle ingoing telnet calls on a
slip line.
I believe both are available at
http://www.heilbronn.netsurf.de/~dallmann/c64.html
As for the MSX, the one implementation I know of is UZIX, which is about as
close to an eight-bit UNIX you can get. Its homepage is available at
http://www.dcc.unicamp.br/~adrcunha/uzix
I've heard some talk about a TCP/IP project for the Spectrum, as well.
Then there is the Ethernet card for the Apple II. Which protocols does it
support?
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21 Nov
21 Nov
1:45 p.m.
There is a PPP/TCP stack for the Atari 8-bit which allows you to connect
to a PPP server over serial/modem, but no servers as yet. You can use it's
terminal program to run a browser on a system like NETHER.NET. Nether is a
Sunos5.4 system out there that give free shell acces..
Regards,
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In <1184.360T2200T11395969optimus(a)canit.se>se>, on 11/21/00
at 02:45 PM, "Iggy Drougge" <optimus(a)canit.se> said:
How many eight-bit micros are there with TCP/IP
implementations? I can
only think of the C64 and the MSX.
For the C64, there are AFAIK two implementations. One is a "normal" C64
program, with some clients for telnet, IRC and FTP, IIRC. The other one
is a UNIX look-a-like called Lunix, which will een handle ingoing telnet
calls on a slip line.
I believe both are available at
http://www.heilbronn.netsurf.de/~dallmann/c64.html
As for the MSX, the one implementation I know of is
UZIX, which is about
as close to an eight-bit UNIX you can get. Its homepage is available at
http://www.dcc.unicamp.br/~adrcunha/uzix
I've heard some talk about a TCP/IP project for the
Spectrum, as well.
Then there is the Ethernet card for the Apple II. Which protocols does it
support?
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THETechnoid skrev:
There is a PPP/TCP stack for the Atari 8-bit which
allows you to connect
to a PPP server over serial/modem, but no servers as yet. You can use it's
terminal program to run a browser on a system like NETHER.NET. Nether is a
Sunos5.4 system out there that give free shell acces..
IOW, it runs a telnet client?
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22 Nov
22 Nov
9:34 a.m.
It is in development. The webpage says it will eventually run telnet and
ftp. Right now, all you can do is get a connection and ping. That is a lot
of the package though.
Regards,
Jeff
In <493.361T350T2404427optimus(a)canit.se>se>, on 11/22/00
at 10:34 AM, "Iggy Drougge" <optimus(a)canit.se> said:
THETechnoid skrev:
>There is a PPP/TCP stack for the Atari 8-bit which
allows you to connect
>to a PPP server over serial/modem, but no servers as yet. You can use it's
>terminal program to run a browser on a system like NETHER.NET. Nether is a
>Sunos5.4 system out there that give free shell acces..
IOW, it runs a telnet client?
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21 Nov
21 Nov
3:08 p.m.
How many eight-bit micros are there with TCP/IP
implementations?
I can only think of the C64 and the MSX.
For the C64, there are AFAIK two implementations. One is a "normal" C64
program, with some clients for telnet, IRC and FTP, IIRC. The other one is a
UNIX look-a-like called Lunix, which will een handle ingoing telnet calls on a
slip line.
I believe both are available at
http://www.heilbronn.netsurf.de/~dallmann/c64.html
As for the MSX, the one implementation I know of is
UZIX, which is about as
close to an eight-bit UNIX you can get. Its homepage is available at
http://www.dcc.unicamp.br/~adrcunha/uzix
I've heard some talk about a TCP/IP project for
the Spectrum, as well.
Then there is the Ethernet card for the Apple II. Which protocols does it
support?
Well, Zilog is _heavyly_ marketing Z80ish CPUs for network
applications - check the eZ80 (no joke) pages. You'll get
not only a stack, but also most basic application like
(simple) web servers ready from the shelf.
Gruss
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3:08 p.m.
I've heard some talk about a TCP/IP project for
the Spectrum, as well.
Then there is the Ethernet card for the Apple II. Which protocols does it
support?
Ah the infamous apple 2 ethernet board.
The thing was designed, ethertalk support was written into the Apple2GS kernel,
and then the board was dropped before production and all references to it torn
out of GSOS. The apple2GS world *still* whines about this, even though they
have a tcpip stack of dubious quality that can supposedly do PPP (although
I've never seen it actually work). The guy who developed it is a real
jerk too, and has gained a following of other jerks. Between this and the
fact that my father gave up on his GS and bought an iMac, you have the reasons
I gave up on the apple2 community.
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9:01 p.m.
Jim Strickland skrev:
> I've heard some talk about a TCP/IP project
for the Spectrum, as well.
> Then there is the Ethernet card for the Apple II. Which protocols does it
> support?
Ah the infamous apple 2 ethernet board.
The thing was designed, ethertalk support was written
into the Apple2GS
kernel, and then the board was dropped before production and all references
to it torn out of GSOS. The apple2GS world *still* whines about this, even
though they have a tcpip stack of dubious quality that can supposedly do PPP
(although I've never seen it actually work). The guy who developed it is a
real jerk too, and has gained a following of other jerks. Between this and
the fact that my father gave up on his GS and bought an iMac, you have the
reasons I gave up on the apple2 community.
Are you referring to the board which was (supposedly) produced just w hile
ago, or is this some age-old project?
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9:44 p.m.
Ah the infamous
apple 2 ethernet board.
The thing was designed, ethertalk support was
written into the Apple2GS
kernel, and then the board was dropped before production and all references
to it torn out of GSOS. The apple2GS world *still* whines about this, even
though they have a tcpip stack of dubious quality that can supposedly do PPP
(although I've never seen it actually work). The guy who developed it is a
real jerk too, and has gained a following of other jerks. Between this and
the fact that my father gave up on his GS and bought an iMac, you have the
reasons I gave up on the apple2 community.
Are you referring to the board which was (supposedly) produced just w hile
ago, or is this some age-old project?
22 Nov
22 Nov
3:52 p.m.
Jim Strickland skrev:
> >Ah the infamous apple 2 ethernet board.
>
> Are you referring to the board which was (supposedly) produced just w hile
> ago, or is this some age-old project?
I was refering to a product Apple designed but never
released when I was
talking about the ethernet board. The TCP-IP stack came from a third party
about 2 years ago and is called Marinetti.
I was actually referring to a new Ethernet project. There should be more info
here: http://www.a2central.com/features/y2kfest/announce/lancegs/index.html
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8:03 p.m.
I was refering
to a product Apple designed but never released when I was
talking about the ethernet board. The TCP-IP stack came from a third party
about 2 years ago and is called Marinetti.
I was actually referring to a new Ethernet project. There should be more info
here: http://www.a2central.com/features/y2kfest/announce/lancegs/index.html 
8:21 p.m.
> I was actually referring to a new Ethernet
project. There should be more info
> here: http://www.a2central.com/features/y2kfest/announce/lancegs/index.html
It appears to have been built and costs $155.
http://lancegs.a2central.com/
I've often wondered how difficult it would be to
use one of my Mac
SCSI Ethernet boxes to put my IIgs on the net. I'd need to reverse
engineer the interface and then hack Marinetti to support it (assuming it
is actually release open source).
People have looked into doing this for the Atari. I know I'd love something
like this for my Atari TT030. Unfortunatly no one has gotten it working as
far as I know.
Zane
23 Nov
23 Nov
9:13 a.m.
New subject: Ethernet on Atari ST's (was Re: TCP/IP on eightbitters)
There is ethernet for any Atari ST. It's a modification of a printer-port
interface for PC's. You build a simple card that propogates a couple of
signals not available on the St's printer port through the cartridge slot.
At the very least it is supported by MiNT and MiNTnet. If you need help
with MiNT, let me know. The TCP/IP stack in MiNTnet is complete and has
servers. I think you might even be able to run an Xserver to another
station using it.
I've got MiNT and MiNTnet on my Mega4 and have succeeded with PPP over an
external modem. The only reason why I haven't built the ethernet
modification is that the printerport ethernet interface costs something
like $100.00 and I can't justify that yet.
Regards,
Jeff
In <200011230221.SAA01553(a)shell1.aracnet.com>om>, on 11/23/00
at 10:13 AM, healyzh(a)aracnet.com said:
People have looked into doing this for the Atari. I
know I'd love
something like this for my Atari TT030. Unfortunatly no one has gotten
it working as far as I know.
Zane
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11:19 a.m.
New subject: Ethernet on Atari ST's (was Re: TCP/IP on eightbitters)
There is ethernet for any Atari ST. It's a
modification of a printer-port
interface for PC's. You build a simple card that propogates a couple of
signals not available on the St's printer port through the cartridge slot.
Really.... Where can I find info on this? Is it a specific printer-port
adapter, or will any work. It just so happens that I was given an old
adapter a week ago.
Zane
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24 Nov
2:19 a.m.
New subject: Ethernet on Atari ST's (was Re: TCP/IP on eightbitters)
It uses the most commond type of Xircom parallel port ethernet adapter and
the plans look pretty straightforeward. I'll try to find the docs again.
You might beat me with a Google search.
You're TT might be even easier since it has a hotter printer port than the
ST does.
Regards,
Jeff
In <v04020a18b64301cfd5c6(a)[192.168.1.5]>5]>, on 11/24/00
at 03:19 AM, "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh(a)aracnet.com> said:
>There is ethernet for any Atari ST. It's a
modification of a printer-port
>interface for PC's. You build a simple card that propogates a couple of
>signals not available on the St's printer port through the cartridge slot.
Really.... Where can I find info on this? Is it a
specific printer-port
adapter, or will any work. It just so happens that I was given an old
adapter a week ago.
Zane
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7:38 p.m.
New subject: Ethernet on Atari ST's (was Re: TCP/IP on eightbitters)
Hmm, how come some messages I receive from this list has the reply-to set to
the list, whereas others don't?
THETechnoid skrev:
It uses the most commond type of Xircom parallel port
ethernet adapter and
the plans look pretty straightforeward. I'll try to find the docs again.
You might beat me with a Google search.
Xircom, are you certain? What model? I found two today at a underground shop
(where I bought a PCMCIA NIC which sadly wouldn't function on my Amiga).
You're TT might be even easier since it has a
hotter printer port than the
ST does.
In what way? Speedwise?
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6:23 a.m.
New subject: Ethernet on Atari ST's (was Re: TCP/IP on eightbitters)
Zane H. Healy skrev:
>There is ethernet for any Atari ST. It's a
modification of a printer-port
>interface for PC's. You build a simple card that propogates a couple of
>signals not available on the St's printer port through the cartridge slot.
Really.... Where can I find info on this? Is it a
specific printer-port
adapter, or will any work. It just so happens that I was given an old
adapter a week ago.
Any adaptor based on the RTL8012 chip *should* work.
The conceiver's website is at: http://users.otenet.gr/~papval/ethernet.htm
You may buy the full kit at: http://www.asamnet.de/~hilgarte/
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New subject: Ethernet on Atari ST's (was Re: TCP/IP on eightbitters)
THETechnoid skrev:
There is ethernet for any Atari ST. It's a
modification of a printer-port
interface for PC's. You build a simple card that propogates a couple of
signals not available on the St's printer port through the cartridge slot.
There have also been NICs for the Megabus on the MegaSTs and for the VMEbus of
the Mega STE and TT.
At the very least it is supported by MiNT and MiNTnet.
If you need help
with MiNT, let me know. The TCP/IP stack in MiNTnet is complete and has
servers. I think you might even be able to run an Xserver to another
station using it.
AFAIK, the MiNTnet driver still isn't finished. The STiNG driver has been for
quite a while, though.
I've got MiNT and MiNTnet on my Mega4 and have
succeeded with PPP over an
external modem. The only reason why I haven't built the ethernet
modification is that the printerport ethernet interface costs something
like $100.00 and I can't justify that yet.
I'm in the same position. Does anyone have a source for parallell port
ethernet adaptors?
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11:03 a.m.
New subject: Ethernet on Atari ST's (was Re: TCP/IP on eightbitters)
Iggy Drougge wrote:
There have also been NICs for the Megabus on the
MegaSTs and for the
VMEbus >of the Mega STE and TT.
But try to find one at an affordable price!
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New subject: Ethernet on Atari ST's (was Re: TCP/IP on eightbitters)
Zane H. Healy skrev:
Iggy Drougge wrote:
>There have also been NICs for the Megabus on the MegaSTs and for the
>VMEbus >of the Mega STE and TT.
But try to find one at an affordable price!
Try finding a MegaSTE or TT at an affordable price. Anything in the Atari
market, save for a plain ST, will cost you an arm or a leg.
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9:04 a.m.
I'm not so sure that is going to work. The Apple II's scsiface is likely a
very simple, small-word device.
Regards,
Jeff
In <200011230203.SAA21888(a)ellie.ssl.berkeley.edu>du>, on 11/23/00
at 10:04 AM, "Eric J. Korpela" <korpela(a)ellie.ssl.berkeley.edu> said:
> >I was refering to a product Apple designed but
never released when I was
> >talking about the ethernet board. The TCP-IP stack came from a third party
> >about 2 years ago and is called Marinetti.
>
> I was actually referring to a new Ethernet project. There should be more info
> here: http://www.a2central.com/features/y2kfest/announce/lancegs/index.html
I've often wondered how difficult it would be to
use one of my Mac SCSI
Ethernet boxes to put my IIgs on the net. I'd need to reverse engineer
the interface and then hack Marinetti to support it (assuming it is
actually release open source).
Does anyone have a program for the Mac that will trap
all the traffic
to/from a given SCSI ID?
Eric
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2:22 p.m.
This came up a while back on one of the apple2 newsgroups. At least with the
ramfast scsi interface, there were apparently showstopping issues - the
interface was designed exclusively for disks and didn't implement some part
or other of SCSI needed for the ethernet device.
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I've often
wondered how difficult it would be to use one of my Mac SCSI
Ethernet boxes to put my IIgs on the net. I'd need to reverse engineer
the interface and then hack Marinetti to support it (assuming it is
actually release open source).
Does anyone have a program for the Mac that will
trap all the traffic
to/from a given SCSI ID?
Eric
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