I am not sure exactly what went on with this, but I am guessing that perhaps the old version of mailman had it's own templates and the new version uses different web templates, both of which are apparently active. If anyone is having problems logging in to change their subscription settings.... do not use www.classiccmp.org/cctech.html or www.classiccmp.org/cctalk.html Those two links are where the classiccmp website points to for modifying your membership. The correct links are: www.classiccmp.org/mailman/options/cctech and www.classiccmp.org/mailman/options/cctalk These two links will let you change your subscription options. These links aren't the "normal" way to get to it... since apparently the mailman website structure changed with the upgrade (and the old customized pieces from Jeff Sharp are still there) - the old pages do things wrong. I'll straighten it out shortly, but temporarily you can use the above two links! Jay West