7 Aug
2006
7 Aug
'06
9:30 p.m.
Hi,
I have an "Apple Adjustable Keyboard" -- a wacky keyboard
that splits in the center ("ergonomic"?) and has an
auxillary "function/numeric" keyboard that sits alongside
it (sheesh! What a wacky arrangement -- how to use up the
most desktop space with the least added functionality! :< )
Needless to say, I am not happy with it. What should I
be looking for as an alternative?
Thanks!
7 Aug
7 Aug
10:12 p.m.
It was thus said that the Great Don once stated:
Hi,
I have an "Apple Adjustable Keyboard" -- a wacky keyboard
that splits in the center ("ergonomic"?) and has an
auxillary "function/numeric" keyboard that sits alongside
it (sheesh! What a wacky arrangement -- how to use up the
most desktop space with the least added functionality! :< )
Needless to say, I am not happy with it. What should I
be looking for as an alternative?
I use an IBM PS/2 keyboard with a PS/2->USB adaptor, with DoubleCommand
running to give me access to the "Command" key (that's found on Mac
keyboards but not on the IBM PS/2 keyboard). Works great for me.
-spc (Can't live without the PS/2 keyboard ... )
10:27 p.m.
Sean Conner wrote:
It was thus said that the Great Don once stated:
840AV uses ADB. Are you suggesing the same approach but
with a "PS/2->ADB" adapter? :-/
Hi,
I have an "Apple Adjustable Keyboard" -- a wacky keyboard
that splits in the center ("ergonomic"?) and has an
auxillary "function/numeric" keyboard that sits alongside
it (sheesh! What a wacky arrangement -- how to use up the
most desktop space with the least added functionality! :< )
Needless to say, I am not happy with it. What should I
be looking for as an alternative?
I use an IBM PS/2 keyboard with a PS/2->USB adaptor, with DoubleCommand
running to give me access to the "Command" key (that's found on Mac
keyboards but not on the IBM PS/2 keyboard). Works great for me.
11:09 p.m.
It was thus said that the Great Don once stated:
Sean Conner wrote:
Not being intimately familiar with Mac keyboards, you didn't specify which
model of Mac you were using. But, if such a thing existed, then yes, I
would recommend a PS/2 -> ADB adaptor (as the keyboards made by IBM are the
only keyboards worth using in my opinion).
-spc (Very fussy about his keyboards)
It was thus said that the Great Don once stated:
840AV uses ADB. Are you suggesing the same approach but
with a "PS/2->ADB" adapter? :-/ Hi,
I have an "Apple Adjustable Keyboard" -- a wacky keyboard
that splits in the center ("ergonomic"?) and has an
auxillary "function/numeric" keyboard that sits alongside
it (sheesh! What a wacky arrangement -- how to use up the
most desktop space with the least added functionality! :< )
Needless to say, I am not happy with it. What should I
be looking for as an alternative?
I use an IBM PS/2 keyboard with a PS/2->USB adaptor, with DoubleCommand
running to give me access to the "Command" key (that's found on Mac
keyboards but not on the IBM PS/2 keyboard). Works great for me. 
11:22 p.m.
At 2:09 AM -0400 8/8/06, Sean Conner wrote:
Not being intimately familiar with Mac keyboards,
you didn't specify which
model of Mac you were using. But, if such a thing existed, then yes, I
would recommend a PS/2 -> ADB adaptor (as the keyboards made by IBM are the
only keyboards worth using in my opinion).
-spc (Very fussy about his keyboards)
You might want to try an old ADB Apple Extended II Keyboard on for
size then. I actually prefer it to the old IBM RS/6k keyboard I use
at work, though not by a lot. The only other keyboard I have seen
that compares to the two is a SGI keyboard I have. I also am very
fussy about my keyboards.
Zane
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11:29 p.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don" <THX1138 at dakotacom.net>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 1:27 AM
Subject: Re: Mac keyboards
Apple Extended Keyboard II's are good (solid clicky and liked by most
people).
http://skylab.org/~chugga/pictures/forsale/kbd3.JPG
If you like small keyboards the IIgs style one is compact
http://www.h4.dion.ne.jp/~kazzysvg/newfiles/keyboard1design/gskeyboard1.jpg
ADB mice plug into the side of the Mac keyboards.
Apple Keyboard II's are mushy pieces of junk (have one), the original Apple
extended keyboard is ok also.
I also have some Appledesign Keyboards that are ok.
http://www.eliteauctions.net/product/appdesign_key_400x300.jpg
Sean Conner wrote:
> It was thus said that the Great Don once stated:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have an "Apple Adjustable Keyboard" -- a wacky keyboard
>> that splits in the center ("ergonomic"?) and has an
>> auxillary "function/numeric" keyboard that sits alongside
>> it (sheesh! What a wacky arrangement -- how to use up the
>> most desktop space with the least added functionality! :< )
>>
>> Needless to say, I am not happy with it. What should I
>> be looking for as an alternative?
>
> I use an IBM PS/2 keyboard with a PS/2->USB adaptor, with
DoubleCommand
running to
give me access to the "Command" key (that's found on Mac
keyboards but not on the IBM PS/2 keyboard). Works great for me.
840AV uses ADB. Are you suggesing the same approach but
with a "PS/2->ADB" adapter? :-/ 
8 Aug
8 Aug
8:07 a.m.
At 2:29 AM -0400 8/8/06, Teo Zenios wrote:
If you like small keyboards the IIgs style one is
compact
http://www.h4.dion.ne.jp/~kazzysvg/newfiles/keyboard1design/gskeyboard1.jpg
I have one of these for my SE/30, very nice. Though I'm not sure
where it or the SE/30 are at the moment...
Zane
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7 Aug
7 Aug
11:09 p.m.
At 9:30 PM -0700 8/7/06, Don wrote:
Needless to say, I am not happy with it. What should I
be looking for as an alternative?
Get yourself the "Cadillac" of keyboards, the "Apple Extended
Keyboard II". It's an ADB keyboard that originally sold for $160.
I've been using the one I'm typing this on for just short of 10
years. Only one of the 3 computers I've used it on had ADB, the
other two are USB. I'm currently using a G5 2x2.
Oh, and since you're using a 68k Mac, you try to make sure you have
the ADB Mouse II (teardrop). I view it as one of the two or three
best mice ever. Very comfortable.
Zane
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11:26 p.m.
On 8/7/2006 at 11:09 PM Zane H. Healy wrote:
At 9:30 PM -0700 8/7/06, Don wrote:
Get yourself the "Cadillac" of keyboards, the "Apple Extended
Keyboard II". It's an ADB keyboard that originally sold for $160.
I've been using the one I'm typing this on for just short of 10
years. Only one of the 3 computers I've used it on had ADB, the
other two are USB. I'm currently using a G5 2x2.
I'm sitting in front of an HP keyboard that was pulled new out of its box
not six months ago. As I look at it now, the legneds on the "A" and
"J"
keys are barely legible. Why are keyboards such pieces of junk nowadays?
Time to go back to my IBM model M.
Cheers,
Chuck
11:33 p.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chuck Guzis" <cclist at sydex.com>
To: <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 2:26 AM
Subject: Re: Mac keyboards
On 8/7/2006 at 11:09 PM Zane H. Healy wrote:
I like Northgates for PC use, but model M IBM keyboards are probably about
the same (been a long time since I used one).
At 9:30 PM -0700 8/7/06, Don wrote:
Get yourself the "Cadillac" of keyboards, the "Apple Extended
Keyboard II". It's an ADB keyboard that originally sold for $160.
I've been using the one I'm typing this on for just short of 10
years. Only one of the 3 computers I've used it on had ADB, the
other two are USB. I'm currently using a G5 2x2.
I'm sitting in front of an HP keyboard that was pulled new out of its box
not six months ago. As I look at it now, the legneds on the "A" and
"J"
keys are barely legible. Why are keyboards such pieces of junk nowadays?
Time to go back to my IBM model M.
Cheers,
Chuck
8 Aug
8 Aug
8:07 p.m.
Chuck Guzis wrote:
On 8/7/2006 at 11:09 PM Zane H. Healy wrote:
When you make a *quality* keyboard, the keycaps are shot
*twice* during the molding process -- once for the legend
and once for the key itself. So, the legend's color is
"in the plastic" instead of screened *on* the plastic.
Obviously, costs a fair bit more to do things this way.
Just like equipment cases that re *painted* vs. those
where the color is molded into the plastic.
At 9:30 PM -0700 8/7/06, Don wrote:
Get yourself the "Cadillac" of keyboards, the "Apple Extended
Keyboard II". It's an ADB keyboard that originally sold for $160.
I've been using the one I'm typing this on for just short of 10
years. Only one of the 3 computers I've used it on had ADB, the
other two are USB. I'm currently using a G5 2x2.
I'm sitting in front of an HP keyboard that was pulled new out of its box
not six months ago. As I look at it now, the legneds on the "A" and
"J"
keys are barely legible. Why are keyboards such pieces of junk nowadays?
Time to go back to my IBM model M. 
8:25 p.m.
Don wrote:
When you make a *quality* keyboard, the keycaps are
shot
*twice* during the molding process -- once for the legend
and once for the key itself. So, the legend's color is
"in the plastic" instead of screened *on* the plastic.
Obviously, costs a fair bit more to do things this way.
But who makes them?
and with no windows ++ keys.
Just like equipment cases that re *painted* vs. those
where the color is molded into the plastic.
What plastic? Big heavy painted racks on this list. :)
10:15 p.m.
woodelf wrote:
<grin> Many have molded plastic "decorations" attached.
Don wrote:
Dunno -- I was just talking from past manufacturing experience.
The only keyboards that I have which suffer from this
"screened on legends" are laptops. And, I have decided that
laptops are intended to be replaced as often as the OS
is upgraded :-(
When you make a *quality* keyboard, the keycaps
are shot
*twice* during the molding process -- once for the legend
and once for the key itself. So, the legend's color is
"in the plastic" instead of screened *on* the plastic.
Obviously, costs a fair bit more to do things this way.
But who makes them?
and with no windows ++ keys. Just like
equipment cases that re *painted* vs. those
where the color is molded into the plastic.
What plastic? Big heavy painted racks on this list. :) 
10:27 p.m.
woodelf wrote:
Don wrote:
http://www.tactilepro.com
Doc
When you make a *quality* keyboard, the keycaps
are shot
*twice* during the molding process -- once for the legend
and once for the key itself. So, the legend's color is
"in the plastic" instead of screened *on* the plastic.
Obviously, costs a fair bit more to do things this way.
But who makes them?
and with no windows ++ keys.
9 Aug
9 Aug
7:41 a.m.
Doc Shipley wrote:
I was hoping for a REAL KEYBOARD for a PEE-CEE.
Like who needs POWER,SLEEP,INTERNET SURF...
and CTRL/ALT with no windows key between.
But who makes them?
and with no windows ++ keys.
http://www.tactilepro.com
Doc 
7:41 a.m.
woodelf wrote:
Doc Shipley wrote:
I was hoping for a REAL KEYBOARD for a PEE-CEE.
Like who needs POWER,SLEEP,INTERNET SURF...
and CTRL/ALT with no windows key between.
Get the Unicomp EnduraPro/104+. A little pricy, but worth every penny.
http://www.pckeyboard.com/
Peace... Sridhar
But who makes them?
and with no windows ++ keys.
http://www.tactilepro.com
Doc 
8 Aug
8 Aug
1:45 p.m.
Don wrote:
Hi,
I have an "Apple Adjustable Keyboard" -- a wacky keyboard
that splits in the center ("ergonomic"?) and has an
auxillary "function/numeric" keyboard that sits alongside
it (sheesh! What a wacky arrangement -- how to use up the
most desktop space with the least added functionality! :< )
Needless to say, I am not happy with it. What should I
be looking for as an alternative?
Thanks!
For the poor price of shipping, you can have a slightly damaged ADB
Extended II keyboard. It's damage is isolated to missing keycaps.
BTW, it's best for you use use UPS and have them pich it up from my
location, I honestly have no time with school and all to deliver it to a
pickup centre (not to mention it's too damned far to walk -- and no, I
cannot get transportation.)
--
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-- Linus Torvalds
15 Aug
15 Aug
5:01 a.m.
On 8/8/06 7:30 AM, Don wrote:
I have an "Apple Adjustable Keyboard" -- a
wacky keyboard that splits in the
center ("ergonomic"?) and has an auxillary "function/numeric"
keyboard that
sits alongside it (sheesh! What a wacky arrangement -- how to use up the most
desktop space with the least added functionality! :< )
Needless to say, I am not happy with it. What should I be looking for as an
alternative?
Any ADB keyboard. I'll gladly send you one if you send me that adjustable
one.
,xtG
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