19 Jul
2002
19 Jul
'02
5:45 a.m.
You've just got to love Google:
"You can! The 715/80 has both HIL and PS/2 signals in this 10 pin
connector. Here's the pinout of the adapter box (no guarantee, of course):
| Pin
Signal | Workstation HIL PS2 Mouse PS2 Kbd
----------------+----------------------------------------
HIL +12V | 1 1
HIL SI | 2 2
HIL SO | 3 3
GND | 4 4 3 3
PS2 Mouse Clock | 5 5
PS2 Mouse Data | 6 1
GND | 7 3 3
PS2 Kbd Data | 8 1
PS2 Kbd Clock | 9 5
PS2 +5V | 10 4 4
"
So that's what inside the UKP 19.50 cable.. Can anyone please confirm if this
really works? Or if it just blows up your workstation (pictures!). It looks
like my C110 doesn't have all the pins in the HP-HIL socket.
greetings,
Michiel
19 Jul
19 Jul
5:50 a.m.
roosmcd(a)dds.nl said:
You've just got to love Google:
"You can! The 715/80 has both HIL and PS/2 signals in this 10 pin
^^^
Note that it's for THIS PARTICULAR MODEL!! Also a few others, but by NO MEANS
all HP-HIL workstations...
- Dan Wright
(dtwright(a)uiuc.edu)
(http://www.uiuc.edu/~dtwright)
-] ------------------------------ [-] -------------------------------- [-
``Weave a circle round him thrice, / And close your eyes with holy dread,
For he on honeydew hath fed, / and drunk the milk of Paradise.''
Samuel Taylor Coleridge, Kubla Khan
6:47 a.m.
Ah! That makes sense now! Love that Google! I use it so much that I've set it as
my home page.
Joe
At 04:22 PM 7/19/02 +0200, Michiel wrote:
You've just got to love Google:
"You can! The 715/80 has both HIL and PS/2 signals in this 10 pin
connector. Here's the pinout of the adapter box (no guarantee, of course):
| Pin
Signal | Workstation HIL PS2 Mouse PS2 Kbd
----------------+----------------------------------------
HIL +12V | 1 1
HIL SI | 2 2
HIL SO | 3 3
GND | 4 4 3 3
PS2 Mouse Clock | 5 5
PS2 Mouse Data | 6 1
GND | 7 3 3
PS2 Kbd Data | 8 1
PS2 Kbd Clock | 9 5
PS2 +5V | 10 4 4
"
So that's what inside the UKP 19.50 cable.. Can anyone please confirm if this
really works? Or if it just blows up your workstation (pictures!). It looks
like my C110 doesn't have all the pins in the HP-HIL socket.
greetings,
Michiel
8:52 a.m.
New subject: *Home* page (was Re: HP-HIL update)
--- Doc Shipley <doc(a)mdrconsult.com> wrote:
On Fri, 19 Jul 2002, Joe wrote:
Nope... I use "blank" - loads faster, especially when the network
isn't cooperating (usually problems connecting to DNS servers).
Now... I _do_ Google several times a day, but I *like* the blank
page as my home page.
-ethan
__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes
http://autos.yahoo.com
Ah! That makes sense now! Love that Google! I
use it so much that
I've set it as my home page.
Doesn't *everybody*?
Doc 
9 a.m.
New subject: *Home* page (was Re: HP-HIL update)
Nope... I use "blank" - loads faster,
especially when the network
isn't cooperating (usually problems connecting to DNS servers).
Is that http://www.dev.null :)
Now... I _do_ Google several times a day, but I *like*
the blank
page as my home page.
I use Google as my home page too. I liked Yahoo before they became
"Pop up city" for Yahoo ads and changed the news format around.
What I can't stand is home pages that are just adverting for the
software product you are using.
12:10 p.m.
New subject: Pop-up Ads was Re: *Home* page (was Re: HP-HIL update)
At 11:55 AM 7/19/02 -0600, you wrote:
I HATE pop-up ads. I've installed GuideScope on my computer and it eliminates the
pop-up ads and lets me selectively accept or refuse cookies. I recommend it highly. Give
it a try, Google will find it faster than you can say lickidy-split.
and changed the news format around.
Nope... I use "blank" - loads faster,
especially when the network
isn't cooperating (usually problems connecting to DNS servers).
Is that http://www.dev.null :)
Now... I _do_ Google several times a day, but I
*like* the blank
page as my home page.
I use Google as my home page too. I liked Yahoo before they became
"Pop up city" for Yahoo ads What I can't stand is home pages that are just
adverting for the
software product you are using.
Do you mean like the one that WinBlows defaults to at MSN.COM?
Joe
6:29 p.m.
New subject: OT: Pop-Up window killers was Re: Pop-up Ads was Re: *Home* page (was Re: HP-HIL update)
On Fri, 19 Jul 2002, Joe wrote:
I HATE pop-up ads. I've installed GuideScope on
my computer and it
eliminates the pop-up ads and lets me selectively accept or refuse
cookies. I recommend it highly. Give it a try, Google will find it
faster than you can say lickidy-split.
Ditto. I use Pop-Up Stopper. Works most excellently.
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org
* Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *
7:41 p.m.
New subject: OT: Pop-Up window killers was Re: Pop-up Ads was Re: *Home* page (was Re: HP-HIL update)
On Fri, 19 Jul 2002, Sellam Ismail wrote:
On Fri, 19 Jul 2002, Joe wrote:
I've got a junkbuster proxy running on one of my *nix systems. It works
quite well, since I can filter my whole LAN's web traffic at once :)
-Toth
I HATE pop-up ads. I've installed
GuideScope on my computer and it
eliminates the pop-up ads and lets me selectively accept or refuse
cookies. I recommend it highly. Give it a try, Google will find it
faster than you can say lickidy-split.
Ditto. I use Pop-Up Stopper. Works most excellently. 
8:05 p.m.
New subject: OT: Pop-Up window killers was Re: Pop-up Ads was Re: *Home* page(was Re: HP-HIL update)
Sellam Ismail wrote:
On Fri, 19 Jul 2002, Joe wrote:
I agree, is there anything like that for Linux users????
Gary Hildebrand
St. Joseph, MO
I HATE pop-up ads. I've installed
GuideScope on my computer and it
eliminates the pop-up ads and lets me selectively accept or refuse
cookies. I recommend it highly. Give it a try, Google will find it
faster than you can say lickidy-split.
Ditto. I use Pop-Up Stopper. Works most excellently.
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival 
9:10 p.m.
New subject: OT: Pop-Up window killers was Re: Pop-up Ads was Re: *Home* page(was Re: HP-HIL update)
The easiest solution I have found: Turn off scripting in the browser
for the internet zone. ALL SCRIPTING.
99.99% of sites have no good reasons whatsoever of using java
to begin with.
I only put a few trusted sites in the 'safe' zone.
The rest are in the 'internet' zone, and 'no java' for these.
The side benefit is that you don't have to install any other source of bugs
on your box.
Works like a charm.
Michel Adam
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Hildebrand" <ghldbrd(a)ccp.com>
To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Friday, 19 July, 2002 23:00
Subject: Re: OT: Pop-Up window killers was Re: Pop-up Ads was Re: *Home* page(was Re:
HP-HIL update)
Sellam Ismail wrote:
On Fri, 19 Jul 2002, Joe wrote:
I agree, is there anything like that for Linux users????
Gary Hildebrand
St. Joseph, MO I HATE pop-up ads. I've installed
GuideScope on my computer and it
eliminates the pop-up ads and lets me selectively accept or refuse
cookies. I recommend it highly. Give it a try, Google will find it
faster than you can say lickidy-split.
Ditto. I use Pop-Up Stopper. Works most excellently.
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival 
11:47 p.m.
New subject: OT: Pop-Up window killers was Re: Pop-up Ads was Re: *Home* page(was Re: HP-HIL update)
Hi,
Gary Hildebrand <ghldbrd(a)ccp.com> said:
Sellam Ismail wrote:
Yep...Junkbuster, or wwwoffle - which is what I use as it also works as
a cache.
--
Cheers,
Stan Barr stanb(a)dial.pipex.com
The future was never like this!
On Fri, 19 Jul 2002, Joe wrote:
I agree, is there anything like that for Linux users???? I HATE pop-up ads. I've installed
GuideScope on my computer and it
eliminates the pop-up ads and lets me selectively accept or refuse
cookies. I recommend it highly. Give it a try, Google will find it
faster than you can say lickidy-split.
Ditto. I use Pop-Up Stopper. Works most excellently.
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival 
20 Jul
20 Jul
4:30 a.m.
New subject: OT: Pop-Up window killers was Re: Pop-up Ads was Re: *Home* page(was Re: HP-HIL update)
Rumor has it that Stan Barr may have mentioned these words:
Or for Winders & Linux users: Mozilla version 1.0; it doesn't have all the
cruft of Nutscrape, is faster than that & Internet Exploder, and you can
selectively turn off javascript functions:
Allow webpages to:
open unrequested windows
open a link in a new window
move or resize existing windows
raise or lower windows
change status bar text
change images
create or change cookies
read cookies
seperately, you can:
enable cookies for the originating website only
disable cookies in Mail & Newsgroups
and one of my favorite features:
tell images to loop only once, no matter what.
And it's under 11 Megs... www.mozilla.org
HTH,
Roger "Merch" Merchberger
--
Roger "Merch" Merchberger --- sysadmin, Iceberg Computers
Recycling is good, right??? Ok, so I'll recycle an old .sig.
If at first you don't succeed, nuclear warhead
disarmament should *not* be your first career choice.
Gary Hildebrand <ghldbrd(a)ccp.com> said:
> Sellam Ismail wrote:
[snip]
> > Ditto. I use Pop-Up Stopper. Works most
excellently.
For Winders, around here we've had good luck with "Proxomitron" - beware of
spelling; I don't use it myself...
I agree, is
there anything like that for Linux users????
Yep...Junkbuster, or wwwoffle - which is what I use as it also works as
a cache.
7:24 a.m.
New subject: OT: Pop-Up window killers was Re: Pop-up Ads was Re: *Home* page(was Re: HP-HIL update)
Roger Merchberger wrote:
Or for Winders & Linux users: Mozilla version 1.0;
it doesn't have all
the cruft of Nutscrape, is faster than that & Internet Exploder, and you
can selectively turn off javascript functions:
The only downside with it is there is no spelling checker.
--
Ben Franchuk - Dawn * 12/24 bit cpu *
www.jetnet.ab.ca/users/bfranchuk/index.html
8:32 a.m.
New subject: OT: Pop-Up window killers was Re: Pop-up Ads was Re: *Home* page(was Re: HP-HIL update)
Rumor has it that Ben Franchuk may have mentioned these words:
Roger Merchberger wrote:
That's only a downside for those who cannot spell... :-)
Laterz,
Roger "Merch" Merchberger
--
Roger "Merch" Merchberger --- sysadmin, Iceberg Computers
Recycling is good, right??? Ok, so I'll recycle an old .sig.
If at first you don't succeed, nuclear warhead
disarmament should *not* be your first career choice.
Or for Winders & Linux users: Mozilla version
1.0; it doesn't have all
the cruft of Nutscrape, is faster than that & Internet Exploder, and you
can selectively turn off javascript functions:
The only downside with it is there is no spelling checker. 
3:36 p.m.
New subject: OT: Pop-Up window killers was Re: Pop-up Ads was Re: *Home* page(was Re: HP-HIL update)
I'll second that emotion. In all the years I've used a computer I've never
used
a spell-checker. I figure if I don't know the spelling, I should look it up in a
dictionary for next time. And after some 60 years of reading, if something is
mispelled it doesn't look right on the page. Punctuation now, is another issue.
Lawrence
Rumor has it that Ben Franchuk may have mentioned
these words:
lgwalker(a)mts.net
bigwalk_ca(a)yahoo.com
Roger Merchberger wrote:
That's only a downside for those who cannot spell... :-)
Laterz,
Roger "Merch" Merchberger
--
Roger "Merch" Merchberger --- sysadmin, Iceberg Computers
Recycling is good, right??? Ok, so I'll recycle an old .sig.
If at first you don't succeed, nuclear warhead
disarmament should *not* be your first career choice.
Or for Winders & Linux users: Mozilla version
1.0; it doesn't have all
the cruft of Nutscrape, is faster than that & Internet Exploder, and you can
selectively turn off javascript functions:
The only downside with it is there is no spelling checker. 
3:41 p.m.
New subject: OT: Pop-Up window killers was Re: Pop-up Ads was Re: *Home* page(was Re: HP-HIL update)
On Sat, 20 Jul 2002, Lawrence Walker wrote:
I'll second that emotion. In all the years
I've used a computer I've never used
a spell-checker. I figure if I don't know the spelling, I should look it up in a
dictionary for next time. And after some 60 years of reading, if something is
mispelled it doesn't look right on the page. Punctuation now, is another issue.
Well, it's nice to have one. The older I get, the more trouble I have
with the -ise vs -ize thing.
Doc
8:56 a.m.
New subject: OT: Pop-Up window killers was Re: Pop-up Ads was Re: *Home* page(was Re: HP-HIL update)
On Sat, 20 Jul 2002, Ben Franchuk wrote:
Lern to spell ;)
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org
* Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *
Or for Winders
& Linux users: Mozilla version 1.0; it doesn't have all
the cruft of Nutscrape, is faster than that & Internet Exploder, and you
can selectively turn off javascript functions:
The only downside with it is there is no spelling checker. 
19 Jul
19 Jul
9:09 a.m.
New subject: *Home* page (was Re: HP-HIL update)
--- Doc Shipley <doc(a)mdrconsult.com> wrote:
Why in the world would anyone use something other than a blank page? You
still have to tell it where to go, and at least with a blank page you don't
have to wait for it to load.
On Fri, 19 Jul 2002, Joe wrote:
Nope... I use "blank" - loads faster, especially when the network
isn't cooperating (usually problems connecting to DNS servers). Ah! That makes sense now! Love that Google! I
use it so much
that
I've set it as my home page.
Doesn't *everybody*?
Doc
Now... I _do_ Google several times a day, but I *like* the blank
page as my home page.
I've found it's faster to type the query into the URL and search from there
than to load google and then fill in the blank. Probably the single
biggest reason I like google-- the URL for a search is pretty easy to
decode.
Between a blank home page and searching from the address line, it really
cuts down on the delay. That's important when the shared (!) company modem
(!!) won't connect over 26k8 due to the lovely condition of the phonelines
out here in the boonies.
-ethan
Bob
BTW, when would be a good time to stop by and look at that printer?
9:27 a.m.
New subject: *Home* page (was Re: HP-HIL update)
I use Opera - it's got this neat feature of having the Google search built
into the browser. It appears next to the URL entry box, so you enter your
search terms and hit enter.
Neat. There are add-ons for other browsers available from Google that add
this functionality.
- Matt
I've found it's faster to type the query into
the URL and search from there
than to load google and then fill in the blank. Probably the single
biggest reason I like google-- the URL for a search is pretty easy to
decode.
Between a blank home page and searching from the address line, it really
cuts down on the delay. That's important when the shared (!) company modem
(!!) won't connect over 26k8 due to the lovely condition of the phonelines
out here in the boonies.
Matthew Sell
Programmer
On Time Support, Inc.
www.ontimesupport.com
(281) 296-6066
Join the Metrology Software discussion group METLIST!
http://www.ontimesupport.com/subscribe_t&c.htmlhtml.
"One World, One Web, One Program" - Microsoft Promotional Ad
"Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer" - Adolf Hitler
Many thanks for this tagline to a fellow RGVAC'er...
-ethan
Bob
BTW, when would be a good time to stop by and look at that printer? 
6:47 p.m.
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20 Jul
20 Jul
3:37 p.m.
New subject: *Home* page (was Re: HP-HIL update)
I have Opera installed but still use IE with Google as my home page. It is a
neat browser but I have occasionally had problems accessing some sites.
I used blank for a long time but found I was using Google most of the time
on first access anyway.
I always used to use Netscape for years but was forced to turn to the MS
behemoth when Netscape went beyond v. 3 and became unreliable.
Lawrence
I use Opera - it's got this neat feature of having
the Google search built into
the browser. It appears next to the URL entry box, so you enter your search
terms and hit enter.
Neat. There are add-ons for other browsers available from Google that add
this functionality.
- Matt
lgwalker(a)mts.net
bigwalk_ca(a)yahoo.com
I've found it's faster to type the query
into the URL and search from there
than to load google and then fill in the blank. Probably the single biggest
reason I like google-- the URL for a search is pretty easy to decode.
Between a blank home page and searching from the address line, it really
cuts down on the delay. That's important when the shared (!) company modem
(!!) won't connect over 26k8 due to the lovely condition of the phonelines out
here in the boonies.
Matthew Sell
Programmer
On Time Support, Inc.
www.ontimesupport.com
(281) 296-6066
Join the Metrology Software discussion group METLIST!
http://www.ontimesupport.com/subscribe_t&c.htmlhtml.
"One World, One Web, One Program" - Microsoft Promotional Ad
"Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer" - Adolf Hitler
Many thanks for this tagline to a fellow RGVAC'er...
-ethan
Bob
BTW, when would be a good time to stop by and look at that printer?
19 Jul
19 Jul
12:09 p.m.
New subject: *Home* page (was Re: HP-HIL update)
At 10:51 AM 7/19/02 -0700, you wrote:
--- Doc Shipley <doc(a)mdrconsult.com> wrote:
Network problems are one of the reasons that I use Google instead of blank. I can tell
immediately if there's a problem. If there's a problem loading I can just about
guarantee that it's a network problem. I've never seen Google go down.
Also Google is such a "clean" page that there's no delay in loading it
compared to Yahoo and almost any other page.
Joe
On Fri, 19 Jul 2002, Joe wrote:
Nope... I use "blank" - loads faster, especially when the network
isn't cooperating (usually problems connecting to DNS servers).
Now... I _do_ Google several times a day, but I *like* the blank
page as my home page.
-ethan Ah! That makes sense now! Love that Google! I
use it so much that
I've set it as my home page.
Doesn't *everybody*?
Doc 
12:51 p.m.
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21 Jul
21 Jul
4:30 p.m.
New subject: Minox 35 GL shutter sticking occasionally.
Hi Tony,
Years ago, I did tear apart junked cameras when I was younger and
curious.
It was been repaired before for that same shutter sticking problem
but problem remains. Then owner gave it to me and told me "fix it
for yourself and keep it".
This is manual camera with two Cds, can adjust the shutter timing
etc and hot plate for flash which I have for it as well.
Only thing I would like to know for suggestions on hopefully getting
at the shutter mechism without tear most of the camera apart.
To complicate this issue it has flip down door intead of dust cap
that extends and retract the lense (reminds of old large format
bellows camera). The shutter is on rear of moveable lenses assembly.
Body is made of glass reinforced plastic and some metal in key areas.
Made by Germany. Small size camera like those disposable but it's
much older and has quality and use 35mm film.
Cheers,
Wizard
22 Jul
22 Jul
4:04 p.m.
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