I found this at Breezeshooter's Hamfest last wknd in the Pittsburgh area. This is a PAL programmer made by Structured Design, SD 30/24 It even includes a Stringy Floppy cassette player, plus a spare cassette--I hope I can find these too. This is supposed to be a standalone programmer with just a serial port for console input and display. Would someone know where I can find a manual for this PAL Programmer ? I tried the usual websites, starting with bitsavers, but no luck so far. http://tinyurl.com/2fxwb26 thanks =Dan -- http://www.vintagecomputer.net/ragooman/