14 Sep
2015
14 Sep
'15
2:40 a.m.
While checking my repaired KDJ11-A M8192 Board with xxdp I get
the following error:
BOOTING UP XXDP-XM EXTENDED MONITOR
XXDP-XM EXTENDED MONITOR - XXDP V2.5
REVISION: F0
BOOTED FROM DL3
124KW OF MEMORY
NON-UNIBUS SYSTEM
RESTART ADDRESS: 152000
TYPE "H" FOR HELP !
.R ZKDJB2.BIC
ZKDJB2.BIC
ERROR WHILE TESTING BOARD FUNCTIONS
ERROR # =001166
ERROR PC =040662
043632
@
The Board is working flawlessly otherwise.
Can please someone with such a CPU can do a similar test and what does this
error mean? I get this error with two different J11 Chips.
In the Docs
(
http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pdf/dec/pdp11/xxdp/PDP11_DiagnosticHandb…)
is shown thatthe test should ask for a Switch Register setting, in my case
it doesn't. Is the test defective?
Regards,
Holm
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14 Sep
14 Sep
5:50 a.m.
I have fiche for ZKDJB0, and fortunately it seems to match at this
particular error and address.
"This test looks for BEVENT to Interrupt when BIT 6 in the BEVENT
Control register is set and interrupt priority level is set to 5".
The particular error that you identify occurs as the result of an EMT
trap anywhere during the test. However, the most likely error would be
that the BEVENT interrupt did not occur. It would seem that the most
likely cause is that you have not configured the LTC clock interrupt -
but I am on my way out the door so I don't have time to look at the
KDJ11 manual to confirm this.
You can bypass this test by setting bit 10 of the XXDP switch register
to 1. This is something you don in XXDP *before* you start the test
program (before you enter the "R" command).
JRJ
On 9/14/2015 4:40 AM, Holm Tiffe wrote:
While checking my repaired KDJ11-A M8192 Board with
xxdp I get
the following error:
BOOTING UP XXDP-XM EXTENDED MONITOR
XXDP-XM EXTENDED MONITOR - XXDP V2.5
REVISION: F0
BOOTED FROM DL3
124KW OF MEMORY
NON-UNIBUS SYSTEM
RESTART ADDRESS: 152000
TYPE "H" FOR HELP !
.R ZKDJB2.BIC
ZKDJB2.BIC
ERROR WHILE TESTING BOARD FUNCTIONS
ERROR # =001166
ERROR PC =040662
043632
@
The Board is working flawlessly otherwise.
Can please someone with such a CPU can do a similar test and what does this
error mean? I get this error with two different J11 Chips.
In the Docs
(
http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pdf/dec/pdp11/xxdp/PDP11_DiagnosticHandb…)
is shown thatthe test should ask for a Switch Register setting, in my case
it doesn't. Is the test defective?
Regards,
Holm
8:09 a.m.
Jay Jaeger wrote:
I have fiche for ZKDJB0, and fortunately it seems to
match at this
particular error and address.
"This test looks for BEVENT to Interrupt when BIT 6 in the BEVENT
Control register is set and interrupt priority level is set to 5".
The particular error that you identify occurs as the result of an EMT
trap anywhere during the test. However, the most likely error would be
that the BEVENT interrupt did not occur. It would seem that the most
likely cause is that you have not configured the LTC clock interrupt -
but I am on my way out the door so I don't have time to look at the
KDJ11 manual to confirm this.
Ok, that could be possible. So far as I know there is a jumper on the Front
Panel PCB where one ca disable the LTC signal. I had an KDF-11 previously
in this crate and I think to remember that LTC maked some trouble in some
circumstances. I'll chack that...
You can bypass this test by setting bit 10 of the XXDP switch register
to 1. This is something you don in XXDP *before* you start the test
program (before you enter the "R" command).
JRJ
Hmm.. most programs display something like "SW=000000 New Value=?", the
ZKDJB2.BIC does not, but it is described this way in the manual..
Thanks anyway, I'll check this..
Regards,
Holm
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11:10 a.m.
Holm Tiffe wrote:
Jay Jaeger wrote:
Ok, the test is running fine now ..
I had to enable BEVENT with Switch 1 on the BA23 front panel (was disabled)
but still the same error. Next I removed W9 from the M8192 Module and it
works now. :-|
Please, can someone from the natural english speakers here explain
how this sentence is meant:
"ZKDJB2
This diagnostic tests the KDJ11 basic instruction set including EIS,
TRAPS and the alternate register set. Ensure that halt trap option is
disabled (jumper W9 installed)."
For me (as a german) that means that the jumper W9 has to be installed
to run the test, but it seems that it must be removed (as it originally
was)..?
Regards,
Holm
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I have fiche for ZKDJB0, and fortunately it seems
to match at this
particular error and address.
"This test looks for BEVENT to Interrupt when BIT 6 in the BEVENT
Control register is set and interrupt priority level is set to 5".
The particular error that you identify occurs as the result of an EMT
trap anywhere during the test. However, the most likely error would be
that the BEVENT interrupt did not occur. It would seem that the most
likely cause is that you have not configured the LTC clock interrupt -
but I am on my way out the door so I don't have time to look at the
KDJ11 manual to confirm this.
Ok, that could be possible. So far as I know there is a jumper on the Front
Panel PCB where one ca disable the LTC signal. I had an KDF-11 previously
in this crate and I think to remember that LTC maked some trouble in some
circumstances. I'll chack that...
You can bypass this test by setting bit 10 of the XXDP switch register
to 1. This is something you don in XXDP *before* you start the test
program (before you enter the "R" command).
JRJ
Hmm.. most programs display something like "SW=000000 New Value=?", the
ZKDJB2.BIC does not, but it is described this way in the manual..
Thanks anyway, I'll check this..
Regards,
Holm 
11:21 a.m.
Please, can someone from the natural english speakers here explain
how this sentence is meant:
"ZKDJB2
This diagnostic tests the KDJ11 basic instruction set including EIS,
TRAPS and the alternate register set. Ensure that halt trap option is
disabled (jumper W9 installed)."
To me this means
It tests that the instructions are executed correctly. These instructions include
the EIS and trap instructions. It tests the alternate regster set as well
The 'halt trap option' (whatever that may be) must be disabled. To disable this
you fit jumper W9. Therefore W9 must be fitted to run this test.
For me (as a german) that means that the jumper W9 has
to be installed
to run the test, but it seems that it must be removed (as it originally
was)..?
Yes, that's how I understand it too.
-tony
11:28 a.m.
Please, can someone from the natural english speakers
here explain
how this sentence is meant:
"ZKDJB2 [...]. Ensure that halt trap option is
disabled (jumper W9
installed)."
For me (as a german) that means that the jumper W9 has
to be
installed to run the test,
That would be my first interpretation too: that it is a directive
addressed to someone putatively running the test. It _might_ mean that
the test also tests to ensure that the jumper is installed.
I see nothing there that would justify the test failing when the jumper
is installed but working when it's removed. To me, that indicates that
something is broken: perhaps the hardware or perhaps the description
you quote (offhand, from the tiny amount I know of this case, my guess
would be that it's the text you quote that's wrong).
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11:37 a.m.
That would be my first interpretation too: that it is
a directive
addressed to someone putatively running the test. It _might_ mean that
the test also tests to ensure that the jumper is installed.
There is another interpretation that I have just realised. If this is the right one
then whoever wrote that documentation need a dose of the clue-by-four!
But here it is :
In order to completely test the CPU logic with this diagnostic, the 'halt trap
option'
must be disabled. To do this, fit jumper W9.
If the 'halt trap option' is enabled then there are some faults that the
diagnostic can't
find, Therefore if W9 is not fitted a CPU module with a fault may pass the diagnostic
But that would be a very unnatural way for me to understand it, and I would think whoever
wrote something with that meaning was being deliberately confusing.
-tony
12:02 p.m.
tony duell wrote:
H?h? What's that "clue-by-four!" ? :-)
That would be my first interpretation too: that
it is a directive
addressed to someone putatively running the test. It _might_ mean that
the test also tests to ensure that the jumper is installed.
There is another interpretation that I have just realised. If this is the right one
then whoever wrote that documentation need a dose of the clue-by-four!
But here it is :
In order to completely test the CPU logic with this diagnostic, the 'halt trap
option'
must be disabled. To do this, fit jumper W9.
If the 'halt trap option' is enabled then there are some faults that the
diagnostic can't
find, Therefore if W9 is not fitted a CPU module with a fault may pass the diagnostic
But that would be a very unnatural way for me to understand it, and I would think
whoever
wrote something with that meaning was being deliberately confusing.
-tony
...needless to say that the manual for the KDJ11-A means that the jumper
W9 isn't a "halt trap option", it says "W9 Removed BEVNT Register
enabled"
2.2.5 BEVNT Recognition
The LSI-11 bus signal BEVNT provides an external event interrupt request to
the processor. This feature is disabled when the W9 jumper is installed and
disables the line time clock register. When the jumper is removed, the
BEVNT input is recognized and is under control of the line time clock
register.
...
...no, need no fucking manual... :-)
Regards,
Holm
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12:20 p.m.
[...] a dose
of the clue-by-four!
H?h? What's that "clue-by-four!" ? :-)
15 Sep
15 Sep
1:02 a.m.
Mouse wrote:
The :-) makes it look as though you actually know what it is, but your
asking for native-anglophone help makes me think perhaps not. So I'm
going to treat this as the request for idiom explanation it looks like
on the surface, with no insult intended if you did indeed already know
the idiom. There may well be people here who don't but just haven't
spoken up.
I've googled and saw a picture with some woodstick..that's all.
[...] a dose of the clue-by-four!
H?h?
What's that "clue-by-four!" ? :-)
It's an English computer-geek idiom. It's playing on the common term
"two-by-four" for a size of wood such as is used in building houses
(which originally was two inches by four inches in cross-section but
these days is significantly smaller, more like 13/8 by 7/2). Cross
"clue" (as in "get a clue") with the notion of thwacking someone with
a
two-by-four to get an idea into an idea-resistant victim, and out comes
the "clue-by-four", the notional object with which one whacks someone
to impart a clue.
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Got it, thx.
So this means the use of an "argument amplifier" or a "discussion
wood"...
(translated from german)
Regards,
Holm
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6:29 a.m.
Got it, thx.
So this means the use of an "argument amplifier" or a "discussion
wood"...
(translated from german)
Yes :-)
Another common term is 'cluestick'. It's a type of LART (Luser Attitude
Readjustment Tool).
When HP released the LogicDart, I jokingly suggested it should be a
'Designer Attitude Readjustment Tool'.
-tony
14 Sep
14 Sep
11:55 a.m.
Mouse wrote:
Hmm, the text is to be found here:
http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pdf/dec/pdp11/xxdp/PDP11_DiagnosticHandb…
page 1-78.
The interresting thing is that this page states clearly:
".R ZKDJ??
SWR = 000000 NEW ="
..and other programms are behaving exactly like that, but not that
ZKDJB2.BIC test I have:
.R ZKDJB2.BIC
ZKDJB2.BIC
CZKDJ-B-0 KDJ11 CPU DIAGNOSTIC
CZKDJB END PASS # 1
CZKDJB END PASS # 2
CZKDJB END PASS # 3
CZKDJB END PASS # 4
CZKDJB END PASS # 5
CZKDJB END PASS # 6
CZKDJB END PASS # 7
CZKDJB END PASS # 8
CZKDJB END PASS # 9
...
CZKDJ-B-0
^
Huh?
If the line clock is disabled I get the error like this:
BOOTING UP XXDP-XM EXTENDED MONITOR
XXDP-XM EXTENDED MONITOR - XXDP V2.5
REVISION: F0
BOOTED FROM DL3
124KW OF MEMORY
NON-UNIBUS SYSTEM
RESTART ADDRESS: 152000
TYPE "H" FOR HELP !
.R ZKDJB2.BIC
ZKDJB2.BIC
ERROR WHILE TESTING BOARD FUNCTIONS
ERROR # =001166
ERROR PC =040662
043632
@
..regardless how exactly it is disabled. Here I have done this trough
switching the clock off with the DIP Switch on the front Panel PCB.
Exactly the same occurs if I put the Jumper W9 on the pins and let the
Switch in the On position.
At the bottom of the description page:
"New revision of DCJ11 (J11 CPU Chip) chip has a change to fix a problem
found with ASH and ASHC instructions. The old diagnostics (REV B1) will
fail with the new DCJ11 chip set installed.
You need a patch."
....??$&/#%*/??
What is an old chip an what is a new one? There are several revisions of
J11 Chips out there...
So the question is: Was the writer of the test description drunk?
All other tests I've tried (MMU, FP, Memory) are ok, regardless wich
J11 I'm inserting and if the board is running with 15.2 or 18Mhz Clock.
Regards,
Holm
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Please, can
someone from the natural english speakers here explain
how this sentence is meant:
"ZKDJB2 [...]. Ensure that halt trap
option is disabled (jumper W9
installed)."
For me (as a german) that means that the jumper
W9 has to be
installed to run the test,
That would be my first interpretation too: that it is a directive
addressed to someone putatively running the test. It _might_ mean that
the test also tests to ensure that the jumper is installed.
I see nothing there that would justify the test failing when the jumper
is installed but working when it's removed. To me, that indicates that
something is broken: perhaps the hardware or perhaps the description
you quote (offhand, from the tiny amount I know of this case, my guess
would be that it's the text you quote that's wrong).
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1:53 p.m.
On 9/14/2015 1:10 PM, Holm Tiffe wrote:
Holm Tiffe wrote:
Ok, the test is running fine now ..
I had to enable BEVENT with Switch 1 on the BA23 front panel (was disabled)
but still the same error. Next I removed W9 from the M8192 Module and it
works now. :-|
Please, can someone from the natural english speakers here explain
how this sentence is meant:
"ZKDJB2
This diagnostic tests the KDJ11 basic instruction set including EIS,
TRAPS and the alternate register set. Ensure that halt trap option is
disabled (jumper W9 installed)."
For me (as a german) that means that the jumper W9 has to be installed
to run the test, but it seems that it must be removed (as it originally
was)..?
Regards,
Holm
I see that same lanuage in the B0 version.
The KDJ11-A manual says that the factory default configuration for W9 is
*removed* meaning that BEVNT is ENABLED. Which I think is what you need
for the test to succeed.
From the manual (available on Bitsavers, by the way, at
http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/dec/PDP1173/KDJ11-A_UsersManua.pdf )
"2.2.5 BEVNT Recognition
The LSI-11 bus signal BEVNT provides an external event interrupt request
to the processor. This feature is disabled when the W9 jumper is
installed, and disables the line time clock register. When the jumper
is removed, the BEVNT input is recognized and is under control of the
line time clock register. Specifically, the signal is recognized by the
module when bit 06 of the line time clock register is set (1) and
disabled when bit 06 is not set (0). The line time clock register
address is 17 777 546 and is a read/write register"
So, with that jumper in, BEVNT would still be disabled, so no LTC
interrupt, so I would indeed expect the same error in the same place as
if you had the LTC disabled.
Incidentally, the diagnostic listing I have indicates that to change the
switch register, first load the diagnostic, and then halt it, and change
location 176 to the desired value.
Also, the diagnostic listing indicates that if you are using something
called "APT" (which I am not familiar with - presumably is some kind of
alternative to XXDP) then:
1) The RESET instruction is not tested
2) Switch register bit 10 is set so that BEVNT is not tested under APT
3) The serial line unit test is executed only on the first pass
4) The red zone trap test behaves differently. If a red zone trap
occurs, it will retry the test one more time. If it then succeeds, then
the diagnostic presumes that the error was APT induced.
JRJ
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