4 Jun
2009
4 Jun
'09
9:20 a.m.
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 11:42 AM, John Floren <slawmaster at gmail.com> wrote:
Interesting, I didn't know a /23 could run V7--all
I know for sure is
that it works on /45s and /70s. Do you know any other machines it runs
on? I'd like to try installing on my 11/73 (KDJ11-A) if possible.
I think it would come down to disk drivers. If the kernel will run on
an 11/70, there's no difference I can think of off the top of my head
why it wouldn't run on a KDJ-11, unless there's something about the
22-bit Unibus mapping on the 11/70 vs no mapping on the Qbus.
Disks, though... a 11/73 is likely to have an MSCP disk controller,
but the 11/70 has quite a number of supported disk controllers.
I'd look at the 7th Ed. sources and the install process to see what
7th Ed. is expecting to load onto.
It's all part of the joy of vintage gear - you used to have to know
exactly what you had and exactly what the software was looking for to
have a successful install experience. More than once, I had to
install on machine A, then either move the disk or the data on the
disk to machine B because I couldn't install directly on machine B
(most often due to tape drive/boot ROM issues).
You might be able to scope this out with simh prior to gathering
genuine hardware, but if you have the hardware lying around, you might
as well try it.
-ethan
4 Jun
4 Jun
10:55 a.m.
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 11:42 AM, John Floren
<slawmaster at gmail.com> wrote:
In PUPS repository exists one V7 version and even one V6 version, I think
Sergio
Interesting, I didn't know a /23 could run
V7--all I know for sure is
that it works on /45s and /70s. Do you know any other machines it runs
on? I'd like to try installing on my 11/73 (KDJ11-A) if possible.
11:14 a.m.
On 04/06/2009 17:20, Ethan Dicks wrote:
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 11:42 AM, John Floren
<slawmaster at gmail.com> wrote:
Yes, and there's no MSCP driver for V7. Even the RL driver was a
special case.
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Network Manager
University of York
Interesting, I didn't know a /23 could run
V7--all I know for sure is
that it works on /45s and /70s. Do you know any other machines it runs
on? I'd like to try installing on my 11/73 (KDJ11-A) if possible.
I think it would come down to disk drivers. If the kernel will run on
an 11/70, there's no difference I can think of off the top of my head
why it wouldn't run on a KDJ-11, unless there's something about the
22-bit Unibus mapping on the 11/70 vs no mapping on the Qbus.
Disks, though... a 11/73 is likely to have an MSCP disk controller,
but the 11/70 has quite a number of supported disk controllers. 
11:43 a.m.
On Jun 4, 2009, at 2:14 PM, Pete Turnbull wrote:
Yes, and there's no MSCP driver for V7. Even the RL driver was a
special case.
Wasn't the MSCP driver backported from 2.11BSD to something
earlier? Hmm, come to think of it, I think that was 2.9BSD, not V7.
Hmm, MSCP on my PDP-11/24. 8-)
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
Port Charlotte, FL
Interesting, I didn't know a /23 could run V7--all
I know for
sure is
that it works on /45s and /70s. Do you know any other machines it
runs
on? I'd like to try installing on my 11/73 (KDJ11-A) if possible.
I think it
would come down to disk drivers. If the kernel will
run on
an 11/70, there's no difference I can think of off the top of my head
why it wouldn't run on a KDJ-11, unless there's something about the
22-bit Unibus mapping on the 11/70 vs no mapping on the Qbus.
Disks, though... a 11/73 is likely to have an MSCP disk controller,
but the 11/70 has quite a number of supported disk controllers.
12:17 p.m.
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 2:43 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
?Wasn't the MSCP driver backported from 2.11BSD to
something earlier? ?Hmm,
come to think of it, I think that was 2.9BSD, not V7.
Yes. The MSCP driver was backported to 2.9BSD from 2.11BSD. I have
yet to give that a try, but I'm looking forward to it when I have time
to get back to that corner of the basement.
?Hmm, MSCP on my PDP-11/24. 8-)
Yep. I have at least one UDA50 and more than one SDI disk. :-)
-ethan
1:29 p.m.
On Jun 4, 2009, at 3:17 PM, Ethan Dicks wrote:
Ahh yes, I thought I had seen something about that. Cool.
Yummy. :-) I am looking for a (nearby) RA60, as I like them, and
I have a number of packs. I had one about ten years ago, but I gave
it away. It was in pretty bad shape and I don't know if it even worked.
So if anyone in Florida or perhaps Georgia has an RA60 that they
want gone, please let me know. :)
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
Port Charlotte, FL
Wasn't
the MSCP driver backported from 2.11BSD to something
earlier? Hmm,
come to think of it, I think that was 2.9BSD, not V7.
Yes. The MSCP driver was backported to 2.9BSD from 2.11BSD. I have
yet to give that a try, but I'm looking forward to it when I have time
to get back to that corner of the basement. Hmm, MSCP on
my PDP-11/24. 8-)
Yep. I have at least one UDA50 and more than one SDI disk. :-)
2 p.m.
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 4:29 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
?Yummy. :-) ?I am looking for a (nearby) RA60, as I
like them, and I have a
number of packs. ?I had one about ten years ago, but I gave it away. ?It was
in pretty bad shape and I don't know if it even worked.
When I left the RK07s behind in 1993, I also left an RA60 behind, too.
It had too poor of a weight-to-MB ratio to rescue, so it stayed. I
only ever had one pack for it, so it was essentially a fixed-pack
drive in practice.
Another victim was a VAX 8530. :-( I had no way to power it in a
home environment.
?So if anyone in Florida or perhaps Georgia has an
RA60 that they want gone,
please let me know. :)
That's far, far from me, and all I have is an RA60 pack in dubious
shape (stored in a basement for 15 years).
-ethan
12:21 p.m.
On 04/06/2009 19:43, Dave McGuire wrote:
Wasn't the MSCP driver backported from 2.11BSD
to something earlier?
Hmm, come to think of it, I think that was 2.9BSD, not V7.
Hmm, MSCP on my PDP-11/24. 8-)
Yes, with a high-speed RD52 for authenticity ;-)
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Network Manager
University of York
1:27 p.m.
On Jun 4, 2009, at 3:21 PM, Pete Turnbull wrote:
Ugh! But I must admit, I love the sounds RD52s make. :)
Actually I was thinking more of an SDI-connected drive on a UDA50.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
Port Charlotte, FL
Wasn't
the MSCP driver backported from 2.11BSD to something
earlier? Hmm, come to think of it, I think that was 2.9BSD, not V7.
Hmm, MSCP on my PDP-11/24. 8-)
Yes, with a high-speed RD52 for authenticity ;-)
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