27 Mar
2008
27 Mar
'08
2:07 a.m.
"Zane H. Healy" <healyzh at aracnet.com> skrev:
I have atleast ADVENT compiled and running under RSX. Should work fine under
RSTS/E as well.
Just check on MIM::SYS$GAMES:
Johnny
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through some old mit backups...
I found a copy of "advent" fortran source from 1979. Is that interesting
to anyone? It looks more complex than the Crowther sources but I have
no idea.
I also found a file with PDP-6 Space war sources. Anyone interested?
It mentions a "340" display. It's an ITS "ar" file which I think
would
be easy to pull apart back into ascii files.
-brad
Any chance of a copy of DND in there? Especially for RSTS/E or RT-11? I'm
aware of what is at http://members.tripod.com/~rancourt/default.htm 
27 Mar
27 Mar
8:43 a.m.
At 10:07 AM +0100 3/27/08, Johnny Billquist wrote:
The VAX/VMS version of DND can be found at PDXVAX::GAMES:
One of these days I'll get a few more games on there.
Zane
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"Zane H. Healy" <healyzh at
aracnet.com> skrev:
Any chance of a
copy of DND in there? Especially for RSTS/E or RT-11? I'm
aware of what is at http://members.tripod.com/~rancourt/default.htm
I have atleast ADVENT compiled and running under RSX. Should work
fine under RSTS/E as well.
Just check on MIM::SYS$GAMES: 
9:39 a.m.
How do you read those references?
ie: MIM::SYS$GAMES: or PDXVAX::GAMES: ?
can I access this from my regular PC somehow?
or how will my vax access this?
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 08:43:32 -0700
To: bqt at softjar.se; cctalk at classiccmp.org
From: healyzh at aracnet.com
CC:
Subject: Re: advent sources?
At 10:07 AM +0100 3/27/08, Johnny Billquist wrote:
The VAX/VMS version of DND can be found at PDXVAX::GAMES:
One of these days I'll get a few more games on there.
Zane
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"Zane H. Healy" <healyzh at
aracnet.com> skrev:
Any chance
of a copy of DND in there? Especially for RSTS/E or RT-11? I'm
aware of what is at http://members.tripod.com/~rancourt/default.htm
I have atleast ADVENT compiled and running under RSX. Should work
fine under RSTS/E as well.
Just check on MIM::SYS$GAMES:
10 a.m.
Those are filename specifications used on systems with DECnet.
So no, you cannot generally, access them from your generic PC.
The filenames consist of a machine name, device, directory and filename
parts.
And you also need to be on the "right" DECnet in order to access them.
However, it's a easy way of give a reference to a file within a
DEC-centric world. Similar to giving an URL to reference a file over the
internet.
However, Mim also happens to be a machine on the internet, on which
anyone can log on. It's accessible as telnet:mim.update.uu.se, and you
can log in with username GUEST, with password GUEST
Johnny
Dan Gahlinger wrote:
How do you read those references?
ie: MIM::SYS$GAMES: or PDXVAX::GAMES: ?
can I access this from my regular PC somehow?
or how will my vax access this?
The VAX/VMS version of DND can be found at PDXVAX::GAMES:
One of these days I'll get a few more games on there.
Zane
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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 08:43:32 -0700
To: bqt at softjar.se; cctalk at classiccmp.org
From: healyzh at aracnet.com
CC:
Subject: Re: advent sources?
At 10:07 AM +0100 3/27/08, Johnny Billquist wrote:
RT-11?
I'm
"Zane H. Healy" <healyzh at
aracnet.com> skrev:
>>Any chance of a copy of DND in there? Especially for RSTS/E or aware of what is at
http://members.tripod.com/~rancourt/default.htm
I have atleast ADVENT compiled and running under RSX. Should work
fine under RSTS/E as well.
Just check on MIM::SYS$GAMES:
9:55 a.m.
Zane H. Healy wrote:
At 10:07 AM +0100 3/27/08, Johnny Billquist wrote:
The VAX/VMS version of DND can be found at PDXVAX::GAMES:
One of these days I'll get a few more games on there.
I haven't ever checked DND, but I also have DUNGEON V3.2 running on RSX,
but I don't know if that could run under RSTS/E. I did a backport to
RSX, but I had to play around a lot with overlays as well as using split
I/D space to get it running.
I suspect RT-11 is out of the question though.
Johnny
"Zane H. Healy" <healyzh at
aracnet.com> skrev:
Any
chance of a copy of DND in there? Especially for RSTS/E or
RT-11? I'm
aware of what is at http://members.tripod.com/~rancourt/default.htm
I have atleast ADVENT compiled and running under RSX. Should work fine
under RSTS/E as well.
Just check on MIM::SYS$GAMES:
10:19 a.m.
I haven't ever checked DND, but I also have
DUNGEON V3.2 running on RSX,
but I don't know if that could run under RSTS/E. I did a backport to
RSX, but I had to play around a lot with overlays as well as using split
I/D space to get it running.
I suspect RT-11 is out of the question though.
Johnny
Dungeon V3.2 would be nice on RT-11, but realistically your Z-Code
interpreter lets Zork and Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy run, what more do
I need for games on RT-11? :^)
The DND webpage http://members.tripod.com/~rancourt/default.htm mentions
versions for TOPS-20, RSTS/E, VAX/VMS, and RT-11 (written in Pascal). In
spite of what the webpage states, everything that is there to download
appears to be for VMS.
Zane
10:52 a.m.
Zane H. Healy wrote:
:-)
But the Inform libraries are soo CPU-intentisive that it's no fun trying
to play ZDUNGEON on a real PDP-11.
In comparision, the Fortran version zipps ahead.
But the original Infocom games run really well on a PDP-11 with ZEMU.
Which reminds me that I should make a new release. I have fixed some
rather obscure bugs these last few years.
I haven't
ever checked DND, but I also have DUNGEON V3.2 running on RSX,
but I don't know if that could run under RSTS/E. I did a backport to
RSX, but I had to play around a lot with overlays as well as using split
I/D space to get it running.
I suspect RT-11 is out of the question though.
Johnny
Dungeon V3.2 would be nice on RT-11, but realistically your Z-Code
interpreter lets Zork and Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy run, what more do
I need for games on RT-11? :^) The DND webpage
http://members.tripod.com/~rancourt/default.htm mentions
versions for TOPS-20, RSTS/E, VAX/VMS, and RT-11 (written in Pascal). In
spite of what the webpage states, everything that is there to download
appears to be for VMS.
Hmm, trying to understand what it is, still... Multiplayer dungeon game?
I guess I could truy to get some version down on MIM, and see if I can
whip it into working...
Johnny
1:19 p.m.
Dungeon V3.2
would be nice on RT-11, but realistically your Z-Code
interpreter lets Zork and Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy run, what more do
I need for games on RT-11? :^)
:-)
But the Inform libraries are soo CPU-intentisive that it's no fun trying
to play ZDUNGEON on a real PDP-11.
In comparision, the Fortran version zipps ahead.
But the original Infocom games run really well on a PDP-11 with ZEMU.
Which reminds me that I should make a new release. I have fixed some
rather obscure bugs these last few years. > The DND webpage
http://members.tripod.com/~rancourt/default.htm mentions
> versions for TOPS-20, RSTS/E, VAX/VMS, and RT-11 (written in Pascal).
In
spite of what
the webpage states, everything that is there to download
appears to be for VMS.
Hmm, trying to understand what it is, still... Multiplayer dungeon game?
I guess I could truy to get some version down on MIM, and see if I can
whip it into working...
2:25 p.m.
Zane H. Healy skrev:
I only had the last version you released running on SIMH, but the original
release seemed to be just fine under RT-11. Maybe it's time you give up on
RSX, and switch to RT-11! :^)
The original release runs fine for much stuff, but I've been hunting around for
different "other" Z-machine games, such as the ones written for IF competitions,
and all kind of "modern" games written for the Z-machine, and running those have
uncovered some special cases that wasn't handled correctly, as well as some
optimizations that I've done...
But most people probably would not notice those problems. :-)
Oh, I've extended ZEMU to handle up to V8 games as well. The previously released
version only do up to V5 games.
V6 games are still not working correctly, and I haven't figured out what the
problem is. Those are kind of special anyway, and the only V6 game I have to
test against is ZORK ZERO, which appearantly is kind of buggy as well, which
makes it even harder to sort it out. When I have time... :-)
Log into the guest account on PDXVAX. I just placed it in [.DND2] under the
guest account, and verified it works. It is sort of like Rogue or Nethack.
I need to figure out what it takes to heal my character. :^) You can
apparently have multiple players going through the dungeon, but I don't
think there is any interaction. I really don't know anything about it, but
have been wanting to play.
Aha. Okay, so it's kindof like a precursor to MORIA as well... :-)
Dungeon V3.2 would be nice on RT-11, but realistically
your Z-Code
interpreter lets Zork and Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy run, what more do
I need for games on RT-11? :^)
:-)
But the Inform libraries are soo CPU-intentisive that it's no fun trying
to play ZDUNGEON on a real PDP-11.
In comparision, the Fortran version zipps ahead.
But the original Infocom games run really well on a PDP-11 with ZEMU.
Which reminds me that I should make a new release. I have fixed some
rather obscure bugs these last few years. > The DND
webpage http://members.tripod.com/~rancourt/default.htm mentions
> versions for TOPS-20, RSTS/E, VAX/VMS, and RT-11 (written in Pascal).
In
spite of
what the webpage states, everything that is there to download
appears to be for VMS.
Hmm, trying to understand what it is, still... Multiplayer
dungeon game?
I guess I could truy to get some version down on MIM, and see if I can
whip it into working... While some source code for VMS at least exists, there
really isn't any
details on how to link the files together.
Hmm. Might take a look one of these days, but it don't feel that urgent...
Johnny
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2:50 p.m.
how to login to PDXCAX over the internet? possible?
ALso, which of those files is pascal?
Dan.
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From: healyzh at aracnet.com
To: bqt at softjar.se
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 13:19:16 -0700
CC: cctalk at classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: advent sources?
I only had the last version you released running on SIMH, but the original
release seemed to be just fine under RT-11. Maybe it's time you give up on
RSX, and switch to RT-11! :^)
Log into the guest account on PDXVAX. I just placed it in [.DND2] under the
guest account, and verified it works. It is sort of like Rogue or Nethack.
I need to figure out what it takes to heal my character. :^) You can
apparently have multiple players going through the dungeon, but I don't
think there is any interaction. I really don't know anything about it, but
have been wanting to play.
While some source code for VMS at least exists, there really isn't any
details on how to link the files together.
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Dungeon
V3.2 would be nice on RT-11, but realistically your Z-Code
interpreter lets Zork and Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy run, what more do
I need for games on RT-11? :^)
:-)
But the Inform libraries are soo CPU-intentisive that it's no fun trying
to play ZDUNGEON on a real PDP-11.
In comparision, the Fortran version zipps ahead.
But the original Infocom games run really well on a PDP-11 with ZEMU.
Which reminds me that I should make a new release. I have fixed some
rather obscure bugs these last few years. > The DND webpage
http://members.tripod.com/~rancourt/default.htm mentions
> versions for TOPS-20, RSTS/E, VAX/VMS, and RT-11 (written in Pascal).
In
spite of
what the webpage states, everything that is there to download
appears to be for VMS.
Hmm, trying to understand what it is, still... Multiplayer dungeon game?
I guess I could truy to get some version down on MIM, and see if I can
whip it into working...
3:18 p.m.
how to login to PDXCAX over the internet? possible?
ALso, which of those files is pascal?
Dan.
PDXVAX is only accessable via DECnet (it is on HECnet).
The RT-11 source is apparently in Pascal, however, I don't know of anyone
having a copy. I have VAX BASIC source that I downloaded from the webpage
I've referenced, http://members.tripod.com/~rancourt/default.htm, the
problem is, I'm not sure how to actually build it. I've played some with
the source on my Alpha running OpenVMS 8.3 and I believe the current version
of HP BASIC (that sounds so wrong).
Zane
5:35 p.m.
New subject: DECServer 500/550 Manuals - PDP 11/53
Anyone have manuals for DECserver 550's. I aquired two via ebay, drove about
320 miles rt for pickup.
I have one MOP loaded already but would like to find some owner/tech manuals
for reference. I have
googled and looked in Manx and other archives, but nothing seems to be
available.
I would like to convert the other to a PDP 11/53 as both have the 53+ cpu's.
As for the conversion to a PDP11,
can I use a TK70 tape drive?, most I have seen have TK50's. What cards can I
use? such as memory and disk
drives. My memory is kind of fuzzy with PDP 11's I have not done any serious
work on them for about 20 years.
I remember the first one was a 11/03 (V03?) and the last was a 11/83. OS
varied from RSTS to RSX11M+
I found the site(s) that detail the DS550 to PDP11/53 conversion, most
conversions have MFM type drives,
can I use DSSI such as a KFQSA? and what type of ethernet controller?
TIA,
Dan Snyder
28 Mar
28 Mar
6:34 a.m.
New subject: DECServer 500/550 Manuals - PDP 11/53
Daniel Snyder wrote:
I found the site(s) that detail the DS550 to PDP11/53
conversion, most
conversions have MFM type drives,
can I use DSSI such as a KFQSA? and what type of ethernet controller?
As far as I can tell, anything that's PDP-11 compatible works with my
converted KDJ11, including DELQA and DEQNA ethernet, RQZX1 SCSI, RQDX3,
and a TK50 drive hanging off a TQK70 board. I don't know about tthe KFQSA.
Doc Shipley
9 a.m.
New subject: DECServer 500/550 Manuals - PDP 11/53
At 8:34 AM -0500 3/28/08, Doc Shipley wrote:
Daniel Snyder wrote:
I don't believe I've ever heard about someone using DSSI on a PDP-11.
No idea if that would work or not. I think it would in part depend
on if it appears as simply another MSCP device.
Try it and let us know! :^)
Zane
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I found the site(s) that detail the DS550 to
PDP11/53 conversion,
most conversions have MFM type drives,
can I use DSSI such as a KFQSA? and what type of ethernet controller?
As far as I can tell, anything that's PDP-11 compatible works with
my converted KDJ11, including DELQA and DEQNA ethernet, RQZX1 SCSI,
RQDX3, and a TK50 drive hanging off a TQK70 board. I don't know
about tthe KFQSA. 
9:07 a.m.
New subject: DECServer 500/550 Manuals - PDP 11/53
I don't believe I've ever heard about someone
using DSSI on a PDP-11. No
idea if that would work or not. I think it would in part depend on if
it appears as simply another MSCP device.
There was some discussion a while back about using a KFQSA with an -11:
http://fixunix.com/dec/98110-pdp-11-ba440-box.html
It seems to be necessary to use a VAX to configure the KFQSA, at least.
I haven't done that part yet, so don't know what else lies along the
road.
De
9:20 a.m.
New subject: DECServer 500/550 Manuals - PDP 11/53
Zane H. Healy wrote:
I don't believe I've ever heard about someone using DSSI on a PDP-11.
No idea if that would work or not. I think it would in part depend on
if it appears as simply another MSCP device.
I've done it. For a while I had a KFQSA and an RF71 in a BA23 chassis
with a KDJ11-B processor. I ran 2.11BSD. There was a little trouble
getting the MSCP bootstrap to work with the KFQSA, but I think that is
now included in the patches for 2.11BSD.
It really helps if you have a qbus VAX like a KA650 that has DUP in the
ROM so you can configure the DSSI disk. I thought it was cool when I
discovered that the embedded processor in the RF71 was a VAX.
-chuck
10:35 a.m.
New subject: DECServer 500/550 Manuals - PDP 11/53
On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 9:20 AM, Charles H Dickman <chd_1 at nktelco.net> wrote:
I've done it. For a while I had a KFQSA and an RF71 in a BA23 chassis
with a KDJ11-B processor. I ran 2.11BSD. There was a little trouble
getting the MSCP bootstrap to work with the KFQSA, but I think that is
now included in the patches for 2.11BSD.
It really helps if you have a qbus VAX like a KA650 that has DUP in the
ROM so you can configure the DSSI disk. I thought it was cool when I
discovered that the embedded processor in the RF71 was a VAX.
I haven't tried 2.11BSD on a KFQSA yet, but I didn't have any problem
with RSTS/E 10.1 with a KFQSA. I have that configuration currently
setup with a converted DECServer M7554-SD / KDJ11-SD in a BA213. I
did have to use a KA655 to configure the KFQSA before using it with
the -11.
-Glen
10:55 a.m.
New subject: DECServer 500/550 Manuals - PDP 11/53
On Mar 28, 2008, at 12:20 PM, Charles H Dickman wrote:
I thought it was cool when I discovered that the
embedded processor
in the RF71 was a VAX.
It is?? Wow that is VERY cool. Which chip did they use?
-Dave
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Port Charlotte, FL
12:16 p.m.
New subject: DECServer 500/550 Manuals - PDP 11/53
Dave McGuire wrote:
On Mar 28, 2008, at 12:20 PM, Charles H Dickman
wrote:
:-(
I just looked. The drive is actually an RF72... and it has a boring
68HC000 on it. The chip with the neat heatsink on it that I had
convinced myself was a VAX, probably isn't.
Any disk drive that can give you a command prompt of sorts is still
pretty cool though.
-chuck
I thought it was cool when I discovered that the
embedded processor
in the RF71 was a VAX.
It is?? Wow that is VERY cool. Which chip did they use?
-Dave
3:50 p.m.
New subject: DECServer 500/550 Manuals - PDP 11/53
On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 03:16:55PM -0400, Charles H Dickman wrote:
Dave McGuire wrote:
Hey! That's not so boring - it's a good chip.
On Mar 28, 2008, at 12:20 PM, Charles H Dickman
wrote:
I just looked. The drive is actually an RF72... and it has a boring
68HC000 on it. I thought it was cool when I discovered that the
embedded processor
in the RF71 was a VAX.
It is?? Wow that is VERY cool. Which chip did they use? Any disk drive that can give you a command prompt of
sorts is still
pretty cool though.
The oldest one I know of is the RA81, and what's more, I've _used_ the
serial port to dignose HDA problems. Very handy.
-ethan
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New subject: DECServer 500/550 Manuals - PDP 11/53
Any disk drive
that can give you a command prompt of sorts is still
pretty cool though.
The oldest one I know of is the RA81, and what's more, I've _used_ the
serial port to dignose HDA problems. Very handy.
7 Apr
7 Apr
4:36 p.m.
New subject: Free to a good home - IBM PS/2 stuff
To all,
I am unloading all of my PS/2 gear, most of the systems may be too heavy to
ship, but will
part out. I'm out of space and my real interests have always been DEC,
almost 30 years now.
This is by all means not a complete list, I will continue this list as I
uncover more. All has been
stored indoors in a dry and heated area.
2 - Model 25's B&W (ISA)
2 - Model 30's (ISA)
1 - Model 65 tower (MCA)
1 - Model 80 tower (MCA)
1 - Model 50 desktop (MCA)
memory modules, video, esdi drives, scsi drives, some good working floppies.
I have most
if not all of the config disks and copies on cd.
I think the 80 has a worm drive and colorado/maynard? QIC tape, spare
motherboards for
the 50, 60, 70 and 80.
Would really prefer local pickup (or relay or within 100 miles)
That's all for now
Dan Snyder
Butler, PA 16001
4:27 p.m.
New subject: DECServer 500/550 Manuals - PDP 11/53
To all who responded on and off topic, thanks. After a few hours tinkering
with
these machines, I learned a bit about the meaning of the rotary switch on
the cpu panel,
of course using the guide that came with one. I did solve the missing CXA16
manual,
found one on Chuck McMannis' site and readdressed a rouge card. Now both
systems
MOP load with no problems.
Does anyone have the cables and "harmonicas" to attach to a CXA16? If not,
I will probably use a CXY08 card and cables.
Now on to some Eprom burning and maybe some flavor of BSD or RSX.
Dan
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