Hmm so where you put in war time Germany ? It was organized more like the later SU but the same time a whole lot of inventions and 'fist' things hapened ? Geeee - come on - its maybe becoming more and more fuzzy, but socialism is way, way the other direction. Gruss H. (And to come on topic again: did you know that they had some real neat computers in the east before they switched to strict cloning in the 80's ?) -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK