20 May
2002
20 May
'02
8:40 a.m.
I wasn't able to go. Does anyone have any tales
of great classiccmp finds? Or any other stories?
20 May
20 May
9:30 a.m.
--- Bill Sudbrink <wh.sudbrink(a)verizon.net> wrote:
I wasn't able to go. Does anyone have any tales
of great classiccmp finds? Or any other stories?
I went, and I was somewhat disappointed. I didn't
expect much in the way of classic computing stuff and
my expectations were met (but I didn't manage to get
to Marvin Johnson's booth). There wasn't much classic
stuff from the 80's, much less the 70's. What there
was, was a lot of garbage PC stuff that really WAS
garbage. Seriously. I could garbage pick better stuff
in Atlanta than these guys were trying to sell. Honest
to God. You'd think they had spare parts from the
Space Shuttle.
There were some used test equipment vendors there;
apparently, they hadn't heard of eBay (or they were
hoping that their customers hadn't); trust me, you
could do much better on eBay and in some cases with
better guarantees.
On the parts front, I scored a few things, MECI had
some good deals on racks and UPS's - IF you could find
a way to get them to your car. I heard grumblings from
others that this was a very difficult thing to do,
even if you had a wagon or cart. I would not even TRY
to buy anything big unless you brought a cart and at
least one friend. A battery vendor had such good
prices at the show that you could make money selling
on eBay (too bad these were show prices only).
All in all, for my purposes, I think I would have
better spent the day at MECI's warehouse!
I thought the ticket price was high for what was
basically a very large swap meet with a very small
program, parking was really bad, and the show was
surprisingly disorganized and unprofessional
considering the high expense of admission (however,
I've never been to one of these, so my expectations
might have been unreasonable). The few "official"
personnel I found didn't know anything about the site
and had no maps (the only maps I found were illegibly
small). There were no obvious markers, banners, etc
for the outside vendor rows.
I was this close to buying a few small switchers for a
project, until I picked one up and water came pouring
out of it (it had rained pretty hard the day before
and overnight). Not worth it.
Hey, but other than that, it was great!
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10:46 a.m.
At 11:30 AM 5/20/02 -0700, you wrote:
--- Bill Sudbrink <wh.sudbrink(a)verizon.net>
wrote:
Classic computer hardware, especially the less-common stuff,
was scarce this year. Granted, Dayton is mainly a radio-oriented
show, but previous years had more interesting items, and more
of them.
I wasn't able to go. Does anyone have any
tales
of great classiccmp finds? Or any other stories?
I went, and I was somewhat disappointed. (but I didn't manage to get to Marvin
Johnson's booth).
I did get to Marvin's booth. He was busy with the fox-hunting
(as in locating a small hidden radio transmitter, not riding a horse
carrying a firearm) for much of Saturday, but I met him at the end
of the day. Very friendly and courteous fellow. He had some
Casio bubble memory modules for sale, but not much else that
I saw.
While looking for old microprocessors I ran into a gentleman who
may have a lead on RCA 1802 processors, if anyone is still
looking for them. E-mail me off list if you're interested.
You'd think they had spare parts from the
Space Shuttle.
There was a vendor selling old Space Shuttle parts. I recall
seeing several NASA transit cases, one of which had a
flight data recorder. I think he was asking $150 for it. No idea
if anyone ever bought it.
There were some used test equipment vendors there;
apparently, they hadn't heard of eBay (or they were
hoping that their customers hadn't); trust me, you
could do much better on eBay and in some cases with
better guarantees.
Yes, in most cases test equipment prices (and prices in
general) were too high. One guy even had a print-out of
a completed eBay auction to justify his asking price.
The few "official"
personnel I found didn't know anything about the site
and had no maps (the only maps I found were illegibly
small).
The "official" staff are all volunteers, and I know there was
some turnover from last year above and beyond the usual
changes.
There were no obvious markers, banners, etc for the
outside
vendor rows.
It's always been that way. Not to defend the operation, but
Dayton seems to be one of those places that you're just
expected to figure out. I've never seen a good map of Hara
Arena, and the identifying numbers on the outside slots
have long since faded away. The Hamvention staff will tell
you that the Hara Arena operators refuse to spend any money
to fix the place up. Don't even ask about the horrible condition
of the public bathrooms...
Hey, but other than that, it was great!
Weather:
Overcast Friday and finally started rain in the middle of the afternoon.
Saturday was cold and mostly overcast, with the outside vendors
somewhat damp.
Sunday was sunny but still chilly in the morning.
Bought:
HP 9825A with a 9866 printer and 9872 plotter, along with manuals.
HP 9114A drive
HP-IL interface for HP-41 calculator
Two Tandy 102 and one Tandy 100 laptops
NEC PC-8300 laptop
DEC SA-1100 StrongARM development system ("Brutus") with
LCD display, power supply, software and manuals
Several Heathkit nixie tube counters
Small Systems Engineering Hardbox for Commodore
iSBC Applications Manual
Many, many issues of '60s and 70's Radio-Electronics and Popular Electronics
Circuit board with a socketed 1802 microprocessor
"Electronic Calculators" book from 1974 by president of MITS
Other electronics and computer books from the '60s and '70s
The most expensive item was the StrongARM development system, for which
I paid $55. Everything else was well under that.
I also paid real money for an Optoelectronics Digital Scout and interface
cables
from the Opto booth inside the Arena, but that
doesn't meet the 10-year rule.
Scrounged:
Apple /// monitor
"Print-it" screen print card and button for Apple // series (in the
original box)
Apple printer cables (new in package), 8 pin mini DIN to DB25 male and
female
Epson MX-80 ribbons (new in package)
Various pieces of satellite receiver equipment
Mathcad software and manuals for Windows 3.X
Various circuit boards for parts
Random coax with video connectors
These were items left as trash at the end of the show.
Cheers,
Dan
11:18 a.m.
The MIT fleamarket was about the same. Lots of dreck and instruments.
There was a derelict VAX 4000/400 and a $90 Monroe calculator. Seemed to
be fewer vendors, too.
On Mon, 20 May 2002, Dan Veeneman wrote:
At 11:30 AM 5/20/02 -0700, you wrote:
M. K. Peirce
Rhode Island Computer Museum, Inc.
Shady Lea, Rhode Island
"Casta est quam nemo rogavit."
- Ovid
--- Bill Sudbrink <wh.sudbrink(a)verizon.net>
wrote:
Classic computer hardware, especially the less-common stuff,
was scarce this year. Granted, Dayton is mainly a radio-oriented
show, but previous years had more interesting items, and more
of them.
I wasn't able to go. Does anyone have any
tales
of great classiccmp finds? Or any other stories?
I went, and I was somewhat disappointed. (but I didn't manage to get to Marvin
Johnson's booth).
I did get to Marvin's booth. He was busy with the fox-hunting
(as in locating a small hidden radio transmitter, not riding a horse
carrying a firearm) for much of Saturday, but I met him at the end
of the day. Very friendly and courteous fellow. He had some
Casio bubble memory modules for sale, but not much else that
I saw.
While looking for old microprocessors I ran into a gentleman who
may have a lead on RCA 1802 processors, if anyone is still
looking for them. E-mail me off list if you're interested.
You'd think they had spare parts from the
Space Shuttle.
There was a vendor selling old Space Shuttle parts. I recall
seeing several NASA transit cases, one of which had a
flight data recorder. I think he was asking $150 for it. No idea
if anyone ever bought it.
There were some used test equipment vendors
there;
apparently, they hadn't heard of eBay (or they were
hoping that their customers hadn't); trust me, you
could do much better on eBay and in some cases with
better guarantees.
Yes, in most cases test equipment prices (and prices in
general) were too high. One guy even had a print-out of
a completed eBay auction to justify his asking price.
The few "official"
personnel I found didn't know anything about the site
and had no maps (the only maps I found were illegibly
small).
The "official" staff are all volunteers, and I know there was
some turnover from last year above and beyond the usual
changes.
There were no obvious markers, banners, etc for
the outside
vendor rows.
It's always been that way. Not to defend the operation, but
Dayton seems to be one of those places that you're just
expected to figure out. I've never seen a good map of Hara
Arena, and the identifying numbers on the outside slots
have long since faded away. The Hamvention staff will tell
you that the Hara Arena operators refuse to spend any money
to fix the place up. Don't even ask about the horrible condition
of the public bathrooms...
Hey, but other than that, it was great!
Weather:
Overcast Friday and finally started rain in the middle of the afternoon.
Saturday was cold and mostly overcast, with the outside vendors
somewhat damp.
Sunday was sunny but still chilly in the morning.
Bought:
HP 9825A with a 9866 printer and 9872 plotter, along with manuals.
HP 9114A drive
HP-IL interface for HP-41 calculator
Two Tandy 102 and one Tandy 100 laptops
NEC PC-8300 laptop
DEC SA-1100 StrongARM development system ("Brutus") with
LCD display, power supply, software and manuals
Several Heathkit nixie tube counters
Small Systems Engineering Hardbox for Commodore
iSBC Applications Manual
Many, many issues of '60s and 70's Radio-Electronics and Popular Electronics
Circuit board with a socketed 1802 microprocessor
"Electronic Calculators" book from 1974 by president of MITS
Other electronics and computer books from the '60s and '70s
The most expensive item was the StrongARM development system, for which
I paid $55. Everything else was well under that.
I also paid real money for an Optoelectronics Digital Scout and interface
cables
from the Opto booth inside the Arena, but that doesn't meet the 10-year rule.
Scrounged:
Apple /// monitor
"Print-it" screen print card and button for Apple // series (in the
original box)
Apple printer cables (new in package), 8 pin mini DIN to DB25 male and
female
Epson MX-80 ribbons (new in package)
Various pieces of satellite receiver equipment
Mathcad software and manuals for Windows 3.X
Various circuit boards for parts
Random coax with video connectors
These were items left as trash at the end of the show.
Cheers,
Dan
11:38 a.m.
Rumor has it that Dan Veeneman may have mentioned these words:
At 11:30 AM 5/20/02 -0700, Loboyko Steve wrote:
>I went, and I was somewhat disappointed.
[snip]
Classic computer hardware, especially the less-common
stuff,
was scarce this year.
[snip]
Bought:
[snippage of purchased {purloned??? ;-) } stuff...]
So what you're trying to say is, you got there first, and bought everything
CC-ish out??? ;-)
Mebbe next year I'll get there... tho from the reports, dunno if it's worth
the 7~ish hours to get there...
Laterz,
Roger "Merch" Merchberger
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Recycling is good, right??? Ok, so I'll recycle an old .sig.
If at first you don't succeed, nuclear warhead
disarmament should *not* be your first career choice.
31 Dec
31 Dec
9:36 p.m.
At 04:38 PM 5/20/02 -0400, Roger wrote:
Rumor has it that Dan Veeneman may have mentioned these
words:
I keep telling you guys that you MUST get there early!!!!! If you wait till opening
time to get there then you won't find much, If you're one of those that waits to
after lunch to show up then you're wasting your time! If you really want to find
stuff, Register as a dealer and go in when they open for dealer setup. I FREQUENTLY leave
home at 3AM to be near the front of the dealer line waiting to get in.
Joe
At 11:30 AM 5/20/02 -0700, Loboyko Steve wrote:
>I went, and I was somewhat disappointed.
[snip]
Classic computer hardware, especially the
less-common stuff,
was scarce this year.
[snip]
Bought:
[snippage of purchased {purloned??? ;-) } stuff...]
So what you're trying to say is, you got there first, and bought everything
CC-ish out??? ;-) 
20 May
20 May
5:01 p.m.
Joe wrote:
I keep telling you guys that you MUST get there
early!!!!! If you wait till opening time to get there then you won't find much, If
you're one of those that waits to after lunch to show up then you're wasting your
time! If you really want to find stuff, Register as a dealer and go in when they open for
dealer setup. I FREQUENTLY leave home at 3AM to be near the front of the dealer line
waiting to get in.
Get back in line like the rest of us people! Getting early is one thing,
being that sneaky is another.
BTW how long did you wait to watch Star Wars?
PS. the date on the email was 01/01/1998
--
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www.jetnet.ab.ca/users/bfranchuk/index.html
5:17 p.m.
Ben Franchuk wrote:
Joe wrote:
> I keep telling you guys that you MUST get there early!!!!! If you wait till
opening time to get there then you won't find much, If you're one of those that
waits to after lunch to show up then you're wasting your time! If you really want to
find stuff, Register as a dealer and go in when they open for dealer setup. I FREQUENTLY
leave home at 3AM to be near the front of the dealer line waiting to get in.
I agree 199%. Best deals are found early, or late. Early for the more
common stuff, and late is where you find someone who just DOESN'T want
to haul it back home. In between is just time to kill.
Get back in line like the rest of us people! Getting early is one thing,
being that sneaky is another.
BTW how long did you wait to watch Star Wars?
PS. the date on the email was 01/01/1998
--
Ben Franchuk - Dawn * 12/24 bit cpu *
www.jetnet.ab.ca/users/bfranchuk/index.html
Gary Hildebrand WA7KKP, experienced hamfester
6:25 p.m.
At 08:01 PM 5/20/02 -0600, you wrote:
Joe wrote:
Oh I thought it was just underehanded! Thanks for clearing that up. :-)
I keep telling you guys that you MUST get
there early!!!!! If you wait till opening time to get there then you won't find much,
If you're one of those that waits to after lunch to show up then you're wasting
your time! If you really want to find stuff, Register as a dealer and go in when they open
for dealer setup. I FREQUENTLY leave home at 3AM to be near the front of the dealer line
waiting to get in.
Get back in line like the rest of us people! Getting early is one thing,
being that sneaky is another. BTW how long did you wait to watch Star Wars?
If you mean the latest one I'm still waiting. It hasn't meet the ten year rule
yet!
PS. the date on the email was 01/01/1998
Oops! I just had to reinstall WinBlows <again> and I still haven't gotten
eveything straightened out yet.
--
Ben Franchuk - Dawn * 12/24 bit cpu *
www.jetnet.ab.ca/users/bfranchuk/index.html
12:10 p.m.
If the prices were reasonable, I'd say that you had a
VERY good trip just for the items below alone. That
calculator book is a gem, I have it and bought it new.
--- Dan Veeneman <dan(a)ekoan.com> wrote:
HP 9825A with a 9866 printer and 9872 plotter,
along with manuals.
HP 9114A drive
"Electronic Calculators" book from 1974
by
president of MITS
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21 May
21 May
1:10 p.m.
--- Dan Veeneman <dan(a)ekoan.com> wrote:
Circuit board with a socketed 1802 microprocessor
How about a picture? (the 1802 is one of my favorites)
-ethan
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7:33 p.m.
At 03:10 PM 5/21/02 -0700, Ethan Dicks wrote:
--- Dan Veeneman <dan(a)ekoan.com> wrote:
Sure. A few pictures can now be found here:
http://www.decodesystems.com/help-wanted/1802-board.html
Cheers,
Dan
http://www.decodesystems.com/wanted.html
Circuit board with a socketed 1802
microprocessor
How about a picture? (the 1802 is one of my favorites) 
8:27 p.m.
New subject: CDP1802ACE - RE: Any stories of Dayton?
I have about 40 pieces of new-in-the-tube CDP1802ACEs that I'm selling for
$3, or trading for certain other 18xx series parts, particularly 1854 UARTS,
and 1861 Video parts. Contact me off-list at jcwren(a)jcwren.com if you're
interested.
--John
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-admin(a)classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org]On
Behalf Of Dan Veeneman
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 00:34
To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: Any stories of Dayton?
At 03:10 PM 5/21/02 -0700, Ethan Dicks wrote:
--- Dan Veeneman <dan(a)ekoan.com> wrote:
Sure. A few pictures can now be found here:
http://www.decodesystems.com/help-wanted/1802-board.html
Cheers,
Dan
http://www.decodesystems.com/wanted.html
Circuit board with a socketed 1802
microprocessor
How about a picture? (the 1802 is one of my favorites)
22 May
22 May
5:27 a.m.
New subject: MDA 1802 board (was Re: Any stories of Dayton?)
--- Dan Veeneman <dan(a)ekoan.com> wrote:
Sure. A few pictures can now be found here:
http://www.decodesystems.com/help-wanted/1802-board.html
I have no idea what that fits into. I did see a 9637 up in one
corner; there's probably an 8-pin 9636 nearby - line drivers
for the 1854 UART.
Cool. Nice find, especially if you can discover what it _is_.
-ethan
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