Before the internet was available to us normal folks, (80s and before) we got all our code from the uuunet guys in Falls Church, VA. They used to sell tapes of the usenet archives. I have not looked much, but I suspect its all still out there. I thought I also remember somebody else later bought the archive and had it for sale. The stuff I remember buying was comp.graphics, comp.c and so on. Goodies in there were raytracers like POV Ray, Rayshade. I also remember Austin Code Works was a good vendor selling source distributions from usenet. I got TeX from them, lexx, yacc PCP-IP. It was expensive on a hobby budget, but the only way unless you knew somebody at the university that had a connection. Randy _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your e-mail accounts with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multiaccount&ocid=P…