12 Jan
2001
12 Jan
'01
11:02 a.m.
Since we are all in asbestos shorts/panties mode I might as well join in.
My neighbors think I know all about new computers because I have a garage
full of old computers. My most recent inquiries are similar to the
following.
Neighbor Q: I was trying to print a word document that I hadn't saved when
my computer locked up.
My Q: What else was running?
Neighbor A: All this stuff that runs when my computer starts up.
My Q: Any other programs?
Neighbor A: Well I was also dialed into AOL and running Napster.
Neighbor Q: Don't you have these same problems.
My A: I don't listen to music when I program and I don't use Napster.
My Q: When is the last time you purged any files?
Neighbor A: Does it do it automatically?
My Q: When is the last time you did a backup?
Neighbor A: Does it do it automatically?
My Q: Did you save the document?
Neighbor A: Does it do it automatically? I just spent 2 hours typing and now
I'm ready to print. When I'm finished editing I'll save the final copy.
My A: Leave it alone and I'll look at it when I get a chance.
I visit.
My Q: Why do you have both Norton and Macafe antivirus running?
Neighbor A: I need virus protection they start automatically.
MY Q: Why do you have AOL, AIM, and MSN running?
Neighbor A: Some came installed and I use AOL for access to internet, they
start automatically.
My Q: Why run Napster while you're typing?
Neighbor A: I always listen to music when I type, the computer is closer
than the stereo so I run Napster
System has 25 GB disk, 256 MB memory and 56% of resources available, no
keyboard response.
My suggestion: Don't do more than 1 thing at a time and you will not have
any problems.
Neighbor Q: I though computers allowed you to do lots of things at the same
time?
Neighbor Q: I really want to play games, download music and listen to it at
the same time
MY Q: Do you want to burn CD's?
Neighbor A: Yes
MY Q: Do you want to scan pictures and print them?
Neighbor A: Yes
My A: Get a CRAY computer
Neighbor Q: How much are they?
I feel much better now that I've vented.
People want a black box that works without them thinking, and that's what
they have been promised by Dell, Gateway and Compaq.
Mike
mmcfadden(a)cmh.edu
12 Jan
12 Jan
11:26 a.m.
New subject: OT! RE: Nuke Richmond (Long)
On Fri, 12 Jan 2001, McFadden, Mike wrote:
Neighbor Q: I though computers allowed you to do lots
of things at the same
time?
Neighbor Q: I really want to play games, download music and listen to it at
the same time
MY Q: Do you want to burn CD's?
Neighbor A: Yes
MY Q: Do you want to scan pictures and print them?
Neighbor A: Yes
My A: Get a CRAY computer
Neighbor Q: How much are they?
I feel much better now that I've vented.
People want a black box that works without them thinking, and that's what
they have been promised by Dell, Gateway and Compaq.
And for the most part that's what Windows delivers, albeit sometimes very
poorly. I can be playing Casino99, listening to Napster tunes, surfing
the web, checking my e-mail, have a telnet session open, and have Outlook
Express open, all concurrently. But then when I close down Casino99 while
Napster is playing a tune, Napster crashes. Then it causes other shit to
go haywire sometimes, resulting in the need to reboot. This is on a Dell
Dimension 4100. A nice box.
If I would trade convenience for stability and run Linux instead, I could
do all these things, only faster, better, and cheaper (in terms of less
medication for my high blood pressure caused by every Windows reboot).
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
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12:50 p.m.
New subject: OT: Router Configuration
I just got a cable modem installed yesterday and would like to put something
in place so I can access it from several computers. My preference is to use
what I have on hand rather than go out and just buy a router. I have a
SparcStation 2 with Solaris 7, of course some Pentium (and below) computers,
etc. available but I am clueless on what type of software could be used to
set this up. I would also like to put up a web server that most likely would
only be accessable (for the time being) from inside. My knowledge in the
area of setting something like this up is pretty small. Any suggestions?
Thanks.
1:52 p.m.
New subject: OT: Router Configuration
Funny you should ask at this time. I just put Another Warp-based router
in at a hospital-client of mine. It routes a gigabit fiber optic channel
connected to a T1 a few miles away. Neat huh?
You don't need OS/2 to do it though. NetBSD, OpenBSD, or Linux will do.
You want to enable NAT which stands for Network Address Translation. It
is one of the easiest and most transparent ways. I don't know if Solaris
comes with NAT but the others do. Once you get Nat routing going on your
Sparcstation, all you do is set the Sparcstation's IP address to be the
default router on each computer you want to surf on.
Regards,
Jeff
In <3A5F9828.BEFAE666(a)rain.org>rg>, on 01/12/01
at 07:52 PM, Marvin <marvin(a)rain.org> said:
I just got a cable modem installed yesterday and would
like to put
something in place so I can access it from several computers. My
preference is to use what I have on hand rather than go out and just buy
a router. I have a SparcStation 2 with Solaris 7, of course some Pentium
(and below) computers, etc. available but I am clueless on what type of
software could be used to set this up. I would also like to put up a web
server that most likely would only be accessable (for the time being)
from inside. My knowledge in the area of setting something like this up
is pretty small. Any suggestions? Thanks.
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30 Greenwood Rd.
Asheville, NC 28803
828-277-5959
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4:37 p.m.
New subject: OT: Router Configuration
I just got a cable modem installed yesterday and would
like to put something
in place so I can access it from several computers. My preference is to use
what I have on hand rather than go out and just buy a router. I have a
SparcStation 2 with Solaris 7, of course some Pentium (and below) computers,
etc. available but I am clueless on what type of software could be used to
set this up. I would also like to put up a web server that most likely would
only be accessable (for the time being) from inside. My knowledge in the
area of setting something like this up is pretty small. Any suggestions?
Thanks.
Key thing is you'll need two ethernet interfaces, so unless you've an
Ethernet S-Bus board for the Sparc 2 it's out.
Now do yourself a favor and look at this from the standpoint of security!
Go to http://www.openbsd.org !!! Sure OpenBSD isn't as easy to setup as a
Windows or Linux solution, BUT it's a LOT more secure! As in 3+ years
without a remote exploit in the default install.
I prefer Solaris or Linux, but for this type app I'll only use OpenBSD!
BTW, OpenBSD should run on any of the platforms mentioned above.
Zane
4:46 p.m.
New subject: OT: Router Configuration
You don't NEED two nics to NAT. You can simply assign an Alias IP address
(multiple ip's per nic). You can have as many as you want I think, but
two should be no sweat.
I DO USE TWO NICS in a router though. The reason is that Aliased IP's
split the bandwidth in half and that is not good for performance.
Regards,
Jeff
In <200101130337.TAA25185(a)shell1.aracnet.com>om>, on 01/12/01
at 10:46 PM, healyzh(a)aracnet.com said:
Key thing is you'll need two ethernet interfaces,
so unless you've an
Ethernet S-Bus board for the Sparc 2 it's out.
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Jeffrey S. Worley
President
Complete Computer Services, Inc.
30 Greenwood Rd.
Asheville, NC 28803
828-277-5959
Visit our website at HTTP://www.Real-Techs.com
THETechnoid(a)home.com
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10:18 p.m.
New subject: OT: Router Configuration
I just got a cable modem installed yesterday and would
like to put something
in place so I can access it from several computers. My preference is to use
what I have on hand rather than go out and just buy a router. I have a
SparcStation 2 with Solaris 7, of course some Pentium (and below) computers,
etc. available but I am clueless on what type of software could be used to
I run NetBSD on a mac IIci, and other than a little time setting a few
things in text files, it just runs and runs.
My suggestion would be to use any 486 class hardware that you have handy
that will easily support TWO network adapters. People tell me a decent 386
will even work, but with a 486/66 you have a LOT more flexibility with
memory etc.
To use an early mac, anything with a couple slots and a FPU, check this
NetBSD site. http://users.erols.com/ewinkler/
For a PC;
A nice canned commercial package, but still free for home use; www.gnatbox.com
or look at NetBSD; http://www.netbsd.org/
or the Linus Router Project;
13 Jan
13 Jan
12:43 a.m.
New subject: OT: Router Configuration
Marvin skrev:
I just got a cable modem installed yesterday and would
like to put something
in place so I can access it from several computers. My preference is to use
what I have on hand rather than go out and just buy a router. I have a
SparcStation 2 with Solaris 7, of course some Pentium (and below) computers,
etc. available but I am clueless on what type of software could be used to
set this up. I would also like to put up a web server that most likely would
only be accessable (for the time being) from inside. My knowledge in the
area of setting something like this up is pretty small. Any suggestions?
There is a particular small-ish NetBSD distribution intended for firewall or
gateway use. I seem not to have bookmarked it, but a litle look-around on the
NetBSD site or Google should yield the correct results.
--
En ligne avec Thor 2.6.
Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build
bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the universe trying to produce
bigger and better idiots. So far, the universe is winning.
-- Rick Cook, Mission Manager, NASA Mars Pathfinder Project
12 Jan
12 Jan
2:16 p.m.
New subject: OT! RE: Nuke Richmond (Long)
My OS/2 box routes internet traffic for seven other machines pulling a
total of 770kbps off my cable modem while running this mailer, eight or
more copies of netscape, playing MPEGS off of the internet and burning a
cd all at once. I routinely have uptimes measured in weeks not hours
though since this is also my personal computer in addition to being the
burner and router, I mess with it a lot. Swapping cdrom drives or cards
requires a reboot.....
My point is that OS/2 is everything Microsoft has been saying both Win9x
and NT are combined plus a lot (like a good, stable design). It is easier
to use than any other operating system short of 9x and has a FAR better
GUI than Windows or anything else at all.
I've heard even really smart people (who obviosly had never laid eyes on
OS/2) say that 'it sucks' or other derogotory things. This is mostly FUD
and propoganda from MS, but also, IBM couldn't sell and operating system
if they included a free PC with it.
Regards,
Jeff
And for the most part that's what Windows delivers,
albeit sometimes very
poorly. I can be playing Casino99, listening to Napster tunes, surfing
the web, checking my e-mail, have a telnet session open, and have Outlook
Express open, all concurrently. But then when I close down Casino99
while Napster is playing a tune, Napster crashes. Then it causes other
shit to go haywire sometimes, resulting in the need to reboot. This is
on a Dell Dimension 4100. A nice box.
If I would trade convenience for stability and run
Linux instead, I could
do all these things, only faster, better, and cheaper (in terms of less
medication for my high blood pressure caused by every Windows reboot).
Sellam Ismail
Vintage Computer
Festival
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
International Man of Intrigue and Danger
http://www.vintage.org
--
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Jeffrey S. Worley
President
Complete Computer Services, Inc.
30 Greenwood Rd.
Asheville, NC 28803
828-277-5959
Visit our website at HTTP://www.Real-Techs.com
THETechnoid(a)home.com
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4:33 p.m.
New subject: OT! RE: Nuke Richmond (Long)
My one and only encounter with OS/2 was in '94 or so, and when I found that
it took my system adminsitrator almost a whole day to install the contents
of the five or six pounds of diskettes, I decided it would be my last. It
took me about 45 minutes to restore the DOS/Win3.11.
I guess it doesn't take much to kill an OS.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: <THETechnoid(a)home.com>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 6:16 PM
Subject: Re: OT! RE: Nuke Richmond (Long)
My OS/2 box routes internet traffic for seven other
machines pulling a
total of 770kbps off my cable modem while running this mailer, eight or
more copies of netscape, playing MPEGS off of the internet and burning a
cd all at once. I routinely have uptimes measured in weeks not hours
though since this is also my personal computer in addition to being the
burner and router, I mess with it a lot. Swapping cdrom drives or cards
requires a reboot.....
My point is that OS/2 is everything Microsoft has been saying both Win9x
and NT are combined plus a lot (like a good, stable design). It is easier
to use than any other operating system short of 9x and has a FAR better
GUI than Windows or anything else at all.
I've heard even really smart people (who obviosly had never laid eyes on
OS/2) say that 'it sucks' or other derogotory things. This is mostly FUD
and propoganda from MS, but also, IBM couldn't sell and operating system
if they included a free PC with it.
Regards,
Jeff
---
And for the most part that's what Windows
delivers, albeit sometimes very
poorly. I can be playing Casino99, listening to Napster tunes, surfing
the web, checking my e-mail, have a telnet session open, and have Outlook
Express open, all concurrently. But then when I close down Casino99
while Napster is playing a tune, Napster crashes. Then it causes other
shit to go haywire sometimes, resulting in the need to reboot. This is
on a Dell Dimension 4100. A nice box.
If I would trade convenience for stability and run
Linux instead, I could
do all these things, only faster, better, and cheaper (in terms of less
medication for my high blood pressure caused by every Windows reboot).
Sellam Ismail
Vintage Computer
Festival
--------------------------------------------------------------------------- International
Man of Intrigue and Danger
http://www.vintage.org
--
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Jeffrey S. Worley
President
Complete Computer Services, Inc.
30 Greenwood Rd.
Asheville, NC 28803
828-277-5959
Visit our website at HTTP://www.Real-Techs.com
THETechnoid(a)home.com
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4:54 p.m.
New subject: OT! RE: Nuke Richmond (Long)
Yup, back then it shipped on guess how many disks? Thirteen 1.44mb
floppies. Three years later, Windows 95 shiped on guess how many disks?
Yup, thirteen 1.44 floppies and it did less.
Back in those days, the main complaint was performance on lame hardware.
It was excellent on a 486dx but much less than a 386dx and it was too slow
to use (patiencewise -I had a friend who ran Warp Connect on his 386sx.
Even I didn't understand THAT. My 486dx2/66 was snappy with 24mb ram.
His crawled with the same amount. It didn't beat his disk up, it was just
glacial on is 386sx.
Basicly system requirements were low, but much higher if you wanted a
snappy system. Three years later, 95 didn't perform very well on a 386sx
either.
As far as killing the OS, it never died. It still does the vast majority
of the worlds banking. You don't hear much about it because it rarely
breaks. It isn't unusual for a countries banking system to buy tens of
thousands of seats in one fell swoop. Recently this happened in Germany
and in Brazil when both countries chose OS/2 Warp to run thier nationwide
financial systems. That is one heck of a compliment to a 'dead' operating
system.
Just do a websearch for any function under the sun and see how many hits
you get for OS/2. It is really an eye-opener how well supported and strong
the OS/2 community is. Thank goodness for me because I adopted it as my
main OS in 1992.
You can buy the latest greatest desktop version (a slightly scaled down
version of Warp Server for E-Business) from BMT Micro via the web. It
really is worth a look. It is a bootable CD - I havn't installed from
floppies since 1993. When OS/2 got 'Warped' with version 3, a cd install
was the only practical way. Till this day though you can still run off a
set of 80 floppies and install that way but it is so much easier to just
hang a cdrom off the poor cd-less machine......
Regards,
Jeff
In <001901c07d11$9030b0c0$1192fea9(a)idcomm.com>om>, on 01/12/01
at 10:54 PM, "Richard Erlacher" <edick(a)idcomm.com> said:
My one and only encounter with OS/2 was in '94 or
so, and when I found
that it took my system adminsitrator almost a whole day to install the
contents of the five or six pounds of diskettes, I decided it would be my
last. It took me about 45 minutes to restore the DOS/Win3.11.
I guess it doesn't take much to kill an OS.
Dick
--
-----------------------------------------------------------
Jeffrey S. Worley
President
Complete Computer Services, Inc.
30 Greenwood Rd.
Asheville, NC 28803
828-277-5959
Visit our website at HTTP://www.Real-Techs.com
THETechnoid(a)home.com
-----------------------------------------------------------
9:15 p.m.
New subject: OT! RE: Nuke Richmond (Long)
Well, THIS OS/2 was in three boxes of diskettes, full ones, and the only
Win95 I ever saw on floppies was on 21 of them.
I guess that judge Jackson needs an update, since he's convinced that
Windows is the only real OS out there.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: <THETechnoid(a)home.com>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 8:54 PM
Subject: Re: OT! RE: Nuke Richmond (Long)
Yup, back then it shipped on guess how many disks?
Thirteen 1.44mb
floppies. Three years later, Windows 95 shiped on guess how many disks?
Yup, thirteen 1.44 floppies and it did less.
Back in those days, the main complaint was performance on lame hardware.
It was excellent on a 486dx but much less than a 386dx and it was too slow
to use (patiencewise -I had a friend who ran Warp Connect on his 386sx.
Even I didn't understand THAT. My 486dx2/66 was snappy with 24mb ram.
His crawled with the same amount. It didn't beat his disk up, it was just
glacial on is 386sx.
Basicly system requirements were low, but much higher if you wanted a
snappy system. Three years later, 95 didn't perform very well on a 386sx
either.
As far as killing the OS, it never died. It still does the vast majority
of the worlds banking. You don't hear much about it because it rarely
breaks. It isn't unusual for a countries banking system to buy tens of
thousands of seats in one fell swoop. Recently this happened in Germany
and in Brazil when both countries chose OS/2 Warp to run thier nationwide
financial systems. That is one heck of a compliment to a 'dead' operating
system.
Just do a websearch for any function under the sun and see how many hits
you get for OS/2. It is really an eye-opener how well supported and strong
the OS/2 community is. Thank goodness for me because I adopted it as my
main OS in 1992.
You can buy the latest greatest desktop version (a slightly scaled down
version of Warp Server for E-Business) from BMT Micro via the web. It
really is worth a look. It is a bootable CD - I havn't installed from
floppies since 1993. When OS/2 got 'Warped' with version 3, a cd install
was the only practical way. Till this day though you can still run off a
set of 80 floppies and install that way but it is so much easier to just
hang a cdrom off the poor cd-less machine......
Regards,
Jeff
In <001901c07d11$9030b0c0$1192fea9(a)idcomm.com>om>, on 01/12/01
at 10:54 PM, "Richard Erlacher" <edick(a)idcomm.com> said:
My one and only encounter with OS/2 was in '94
or so, and when I found
that it took my system adminsitrator almost a whole day to install the
contents of the five or six pounds of diskettes, I decided it would be my
last. It took me about 45 minutes to restore the DOS/Win3.11.
I guess it doesn't take much to kill an OS.
Dick
--
-----------------------------------------------------------
Jeffrey S. Worley
President
Complete Computer Services, Inc.
30 Greenwood Rd.
Asheville, NC 28803
828-277-5959
Visit our website at HTTP://www.Real-Techs.com
THETechnoid(a)home.com
-----------------------------------------------------------
13 Jan
13 Jan
4:11 a.m.
New subject: OS/2
My OS/2 box routes internet traffic for seven other
machines pulling a
total of 770kbps off my cable modem while running this mailer, eight or
more copies of netscape, playing MPEGS off of the internet and burning a
cd all at once. I routinely have uptimes measured in weeks not hours
though since this is also my personal computer in addition to being the
burner and router, I mess with it a lot. Swapping cdrom drives or cards
requires a reboot.....
I love OS/2... It's the closest thing to VAX/VMS reliability in a
Non-Unix OS that can run some PC apps.
If IBM had only kept the funding and kept it compatible with Win32 --
but when I was there the customers demanded RedmondNT and Redmond95
and the boys at the top said the money was in Windows.
They were running OS/2 2.11 internally when W95 came out.
They rolled out Warp to the desktops with the Lotus Win3 Smart
Suite. The OS/2 version of Smart Suite was so late and buggy at first
I gave up on it.
I'm wondering about Plex86 on OS/2. A VMWare-like setup to run the
buggy crashing MS stuff.
Bochs already works.
I've now got SmartSuite96/Millenium and SmartSuite4 here.
I've got WordPerfect 2000 Suite for Linux and W95.
I've got StarOffice.
Doesn't matter -- the employer's standardized on Office97 and is going
to W2000Pro and Office2000 Pro this year.
(I'm running Solaris or FreeBSD or Linux on the desktop and only booting
into W98 when I have to run MS software.)
I found out the master license price to my dept to order W2000 is $20
per machine -- very scary.
OS/2 is great if you only had good apps available.
--Bill
6:11 a.m.
New subject: OS/2
In <200101131511.f0DFBMY07232(a)bg-tc-ppp1007.monmouth.com>om>, on 01/13/01
at 12:11 PM, Bill Pechter <pechter(a)pechter.dyndns.org> said:
It is true that the applications market for Warp isn't the largest or most
complete, but it is good enough for me. I've never actually used a
machine for a Purpose if you know what I mean. I network them, play with
them, get X running on warp, make a Nat router, make it a web server, make
it sense when the door opens and closes, turn on and off lights, interface
it with my Atari ST.
Basicly not much in the way of purpose. At least not in the sense of
mission criticality others use thiers for. I'd be upset if my machine
died but wouldn't lose anything important I couldn't redo.
I use Star Office 5.1 for correspondence, PMView 2000 for image viewing
and processing, BNR for getting binaries off the newsgroups, Injoy as an
internet router. For windows there are a hundred different incarnations
of programs for the same purpose. Most of them suck, but some are awesome
like MS Office. OS/2 apps are exactly the opposite; for the most part
they are awesome, but there are only five or ten to chose from at most.
You can run almost any Win32/32s application in OS/2 via Win/OS2. You can
now run SOME winnt/9x applications via an API converter project called
ODIN (used to be called win32/OS2).
One really neat thing is that OS/2 (Warp) is based on the MACH kernel
which came from NEXT and provides the foundation for Apple's new OS/X.
With a few tools, lots of Unix ports have been made available including
Xwindows and lots of X applications. Of course I have X and Gimp and tons
of other apps installed. They run perfectly and of course I have no
purpose for them in any practical sense..... ;-)
Probably my greatest wish for OS/2 would be better multimedia. Sure you
can play Mpegs, and MP3 files, but I'd like .AVI, and Real Audio, and
Shockwave. Toys yes, but I'd really like to see live video over the
internet and may never be able.
I can guage Windows against OS/2 and it compares very favorably, but like
Xwindows, the GUI in OS/2 is the weak link. Since OS/2 is not multiuser,
if the GUI barfs, you don't have the option of switching consoles and
killing the darn thing. I can't count the times in the past several years
that I've manages to lock the GUI and was forced to wait to reboot until a
critical task (like a big download) was comlete, or to reboot and lose the
task. The point is, a locked GUI doesn't stop any tasks but it'self, but
it can make for an unpleasant experience nonetheless. I doubt we will see
virtual consoles for OS/2 any time soon or ever.
There is a diagnostic kernel that you can use that gives you ONE physical
terminal which would help, but my desktop doesn't crash often enough to
bother with an ANOTHER terminal on my desktop. I've allready got six
machines on my desktop. I need another screen like a hole in my head
(unless it is something KEUL) Wink.
Regards,
Jeff
I love OS/2... It's the closest thing to VAX/VMS
reliability in a
Non-Unix OS that can run some PC apps.
If IBM had only kept the funding and kept it compatible
with Win32 --
but when I was there the customers demanded RedmondNT and Redmond95 and
the boys at the top said the money was in Windows.
They were running OS/2 2.11 internally when W95 came
out.
They rolled out Warp to the desktops with the Lotus Win3 Smart Suite.
The OS/2 version of Smart Suite was so late and buggy at first I gave up
on it.
I'm wondering about Plex86 on OS/2. A VMWare-like
setup to run the buggy
crashing MS stuff.
Bochs already works.
(I'm running Solaris or FreeBSD or Linux on the
desktop and only booting
into W98 when I have to run MS software.)
I found out the master license price to my dept to
order W2000 is $20 per
machine -- very scary.
OS/2 is great if you only had good apps available.
--Bill
--
-----------------------------------------------------------
Jeffrey S. Worley
President
Complete Computer Services, Inc.
30 Greenwood Rd.
Asheville, NC 28803
828-277-5959
Visit our website at HTTP://www.Real-Techs.com
THETechnoid(a)home.com
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7:29 a.m.
New subject: OS/2
The below is unintentionally ambiguous. I mean to say that Windows does
not compare favorably to OS/2 and OS/2 compares favorably to it's
contemporaries.
Regards,
Jeff
In <20010113172827.XZPO21955.femail2.sdc1.sfba.home.com@ci223229-a>, on
01/13/01
at 01:29 PM, THETechnoid(a)home.com said:
I can guage Windows against OS/2 and it compares very
favorably, but like
Xwindows, the GUI in OS/2 is the weak link. Since OS/2 is not multiuser,
if the GUI barfs, you don't have the option of switching consoles and
--
-----------------------------------------------------------
Jeffrey S. Worley
President
Complete Computer Services, Inc.
30 Greenwood Rd.
Asheville, NC 28803
828-277-5959
Visit our website at HTTP://www.Real-Techs.com
THETechnoid(a)home.com
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9 a.m.
New subject: OS/2
THETechnoid skrev:
In
<200101131511.f0DFBMY07232(a)bg-tc-ppp1007.monmouth.com>om>, on 01/13/01
at 12:11 PM, Bill Pechter <pechter(a)pechter.dyndns.org> said:
It is true that the applications market for Warp
isn't the largest or most
complete, but it is good enough for me. I've never actually used a
machine for a Purpose if you know what I mean. I network them, play with
them, get X running on warp, make a Nat router, make it a web server, make
it sense when the door opens and closes, turn on and off lights, interface
it with my Atari ST.
Oh, that sounds exactly like what I use my computers for. Besides running a
web browser (going to reference pages for old hardware and obscure chip music
formats) and reading mail and news (participating in mailing lists about
quirky old hardware =), I just tend to stack the machines up and connect
wires between them. I couldn't care less whether none of them has got a
decent word processor.
I use Star Office 5.1 for correspondence, PMView 2000
for image viewing
and processing, BNR for getting binaries off the newsgroups, Injoy as an
internet router. For windows there are a hundred different incarnations
of programs for the same purpose. Most of them suck, but some are awesome
like MS Office. OS/2 apps are exactly the opposite; for the most part
they are awesome, but there are only five or ten to chose from at most.
Veru true.
You can run almost any Win32/32s application in OS/2
via Win/OS2. You can
now run SOME winnt/9x applications via an API converter project called
ODIN (used to be called win32/OS2).
I think this is a downfall of OS/2 and other x86 OSes. It's just too easy to
give in to the temptation and run Windows, one way or another. I think it has
stifled the development of alternative OSes just as much as the ubiquitous
hardware has aided them.
One really neat thing is that OS/2 (Warp) is based on
the MACH kernel
which came from NEXT and provides the foundation for Apple's new OS/X.
With a few tools, lots of Unix ports have been made available including
Xwindows and lots of X applications. Of course I have X and Gimp and tons
of other apps installed. They run perfectly and of course I have no
purpose for them in any practical sense..... ;-)
Is there no end to this industry incest? It seems that every OS nowadays is
either a clone or descendant of UNIX or DOS, or a mix thereof. What's happened
to innovation?
There is a diagnostic kernel that you can use that
gives you ONE physical
terminal which would help, but my desktop doesn't crash often enough to
bother with an ANOTHER terminal on my desktop. I've allready got six
machines on my desktop. I need another screen like a hole in my head
(unless it is something KEUL) Wink.
If you've got six machines on your desktop, why not use one of those as
terminal? Surely there must be a serial port on some of them.
--
En ligne avec Thor 2.6.
Remember:
- On the Amiga, you can make a way.
- On Linux, there is a way, you just don't know it.
- On Windows, there is no way and you know it.
Aaron Digulla
12 Jan
12 Jan
1:08 p.m.
New subject: Nuke Richmond (Long) [Mike]
So... did you recover his document??? (Ducking and running...)
;o)
Jim
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