5 Feb
2011
5 Feb
'11
3:40 p.m.
No, it;s an Asko, from the time before they were taken
over.
That would be Finnish then IIRC. Cylinda is Asko Cylinda since a number of
years. We used to pass the Cylinda factory every time we went to see my
ex-parents-in-law. It's in a little village called Jung, in the South-west
of Sweden. Cylinda used to be known for being particularly high quality
since the washer drums were made of stainless steel where everyone else used
mild steel.
Asko Cylinda was bought by Gorenje of Slovenia last year.
On the subject
of power sockets in bathrooms, in Sweden sockets may be
fitted in bathrooms provided they are either earthed and protected by a
Ground Fault Interrupter (there is probably a requirement that the GFI
be located outside the bathroom), or have an isolating step-down
transfomer internally, 220/110 and about 20 VA or so. Houses built after
The latter sounds like hte 'shaver sockets' we get in the UK. As I
mentioned, I bought a few in a pound shop and extractd the transformers
form them -- 110-0-110V at 20VA will power some small valve projects and
I've yet to find any other new HT transformers for a pound each :-)
1994 may not
have non-earthed sockets anywhere.
I have no idea what the regualtions ontaht are over here. Virtually every
new installation (since about 1948) uses the 'ring main' with 3 pin
(earthed) sockets and plugs with intenral cartridge fuses.
I think the only non-earthed sockets you would find now are isolated
shaver sockets.
My bathroom has a small laundry section which I am intending to use as a
darkroom. My flat is from 1963 so there is no socket in there, I have
bought a portable GFI and intend to run an earthed extension lead from
the kitchen via the GFI into the bathroom whenever I want to use it as a
darkroom. Probably illegal but it should protect me (I hope...).
I would have to check the rgualtions, but in a darkroom you are working
in poor light with electricla stuff and water. No way would I want to do
without n RCD.
6 Feb
6 Feb
8:21 a.m.
No, it;s an Asko, from the time before they were
taken over.
That would be Finnish then IIRC. Cylinda is Asko Cylinda since a number of years. We used to pass the Cylinda factory every time
we went to see my
ex-parents-in-law. It's in a little village called Jung, in the South-west
of Sweden. Cylinda used to be known for being particularly high quality
since the washer drums were made of stainless steel where everyone else used
mild steel.
Yes. THey arr pretty well made inside. Certainly a lot better than most
domestic appliaces.
They are meant for shavers and usually marked as such.
The advantage of having earthed sockets nowadays is of course that you can
run hair dryers in the bathroom (or even use the bathroom as a darkroom,
which is presumably not what those who wrote the rules had in mind).
AFAIK that is not permitted in the UK.
I have always thought that the UK system was much more
sensible. Not only
are all plugs and sockets earthed, fused and switched, but they are also
I am not sure what sockets are still permitted over here, but the
standard one is the 13A plug to BS1363, which is indeed earthed,
polaraised, and cotnains a cartridge fuse.
Do socket outlets have to be switched? I would never fit one that isn't,
but I thoguth unswitched ones were still available.
polarised so it is impossible to switch live and
neutral (provided the
electrician who installed them knew what he was doing). The Swedish plugs
Sensible people check to make sure ;-). There are plenty of so-called
'electricians' who get this wrong.
sockets are the same as the German ones, which are
symmetrical and neither
switched nor fused.
I am nto at all happy with some of the continental wiring systems. I
beleive that some countries (Germnany?) oftn have a pair of 16A socket
outlets protected by a single 32A breaker. And you could plug a small
appliance in to osme of those sockets with no other protecive devices in
the circuit, even if the flexible cable to the devive is rated at 3A,
say. No thanks!
[...]
Precisely why i bought the RCD/GFI. I know for a fact
I am going to die but
Alas thr death rate in the UK is 'one per person' too ;-)
But more seriosuly, I feel I might well die from electrocution. After all
I work on mains-powered stuff most days and something could go wrong. But
this doens;t mean I am not going to be sensible about it and use RCDs etc
if I think they could help.
I don't intend to bring it about by electrocution
in the bathroom. And of
course the RCD goes on the end of the lead outside the bathroom. I would
want one even in a dedicated darkroom.
I have a dedicated darkroom (it's a little hard treating a DeVere 504
enlarger as a temporary device :-)), but I still have (and want) an RCD
on the incoming mains to it.
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