14 Mar
2001
14 Mar
'01
4:43 a.m.
I don't see a date for VCF 5.0 ? Didn't someone say that they did?
--tom
14 Mar
14 Mar
4:33 a.m.
On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, Tom Uban wrote:
I don't see a date for VCF 5.0 ? Didn't
someone say that they did?
It's not posted yet on the VCF site but the dates are September 15/16,
2001 :)
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
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6:32 a.m.
I assume this is the California VCF. How is the East coast VCF shaping up?
At 10:33 AM 3/14/01 -0800, you wrote:
On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, Tom Uban wrote:
Festival
I don't see a date for VCF 5.0 ? Didn't
someone say that they did?
It's not posted yet on the VCF site but the dates are September 15/16,
2001 :)
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6:36 a.m.
On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, Tom Uban wrote:
I assume this is the California VCF. How is the East
coast VCF shaping up?
Yes. The main VCF event is September 15/16 at the San Jose Convention
Center.
I'm still searching for a suitable venue for VCF East 1.0. I was all set
to do it at the Rhodes Island Convention Center but their fees are too
high.
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
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International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org
1:48 p.m.
Will there be a shipping booth at the VCF? I have to fly in, and since I
haven't been to the VCF before, I have no idea if there will be tons of
items that I'll want to buy. If so, then shipping will be the only way for
me to get the stuff home.
Is there a large swap meet area, with lots of good stuff?
Ernest
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To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: VCF 5.0 date?
On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, Tom Uban wrote:
I assume this is the California VCF. How is the East
coast VCF shaping up?
Yes. The main VCF event is September 15/16 at the San Jose Convention
Center.
I'm still searching for a suitable venue for VCF East 1.0. I was all set
to do it at the Rhodes Island Convention Center but their fees are too
high.
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer
Festival
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15 Mar
15 Mar
2:10 a.m.
On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, Ernest wrote:
Will there be a shipping booth at the VCF? I have to
fly in, and since
I haven't been to the VCF before, I have no idea if there will be tons
of items that I'll want to buy. If so, then shipping will be the only
way for me to get the stuff home.
That's an interesting idea. I guess we could provide a shipping service
(for a fee) for out-of-towners that don't want to lug their stuff home
with them.
Is there a large swap meet area, with lots of good
stuff?
This can be subjective but I collect a lot and I'm always amazed at what
turns up at the marketplace. If I wasn't so busy running around taking
care of things I'd be snapping stuff up. But as it always turns out,
lucky Festival-goers get to all the good stuff before me :)
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
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International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org
3:59 a.m.
Check with a local pack & ship operation [Mailboxes Etc for instance].
Often they will set up at events like this [I've used them for antique
radio swap meets] and best of all it's FREE to the organizer. Well,
almost free... you have to give them booth space & sometimes they
require electrical power.
Craig
Sellam Ismail wrote:
On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, Ernest wrote:
Will there be a shipping booth at the VCF? I have
to fly in, and since
I haven't been to the VCF before, I have no idea if there will be tons
of items that I'll want to buy. If so, then shipping will be the only
way for me to get the stuff home.
That's an interesting idea. I guess we could provide a shipping service
(for a fee) for out-of-towners that don't want to lug their stuff home
with them.
Is there a large swap meet area, with lots of
good stuff?
This can be subjective but I collect a lot and I'm always amazed at what
turns up at the marketplace. If I wasn't so busy running around taking
care of things I'd be snapping stuff up. But as it always turns out,
lucky Festival-goers get to all the good stuff before me :)
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
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International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org
5:28 a.m.
On Thu, 15 Mar 2001, ip500 wrote:
Check with a local pack & ship operation
[Mailboxes Etc for
instance]. Often they will set up at events like this [I've used them
for antique radio swap meets] and best of all it's FREE to the
organizer. Well, almost free... you have to give them booth space &
sometimes they require electrical power.
Screw that. MBE is a complete ripoff. It once cost me about $300 to pack
& ship somthing that should've only cost maybe $75-$100. The lady who
sent me the machine (a Tektronix 4051) didn't want to do it herself and
didn't consult with me before she took it to MBE.
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
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International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org
14 Mar
14 Mar
11:35 p.m.
What ever happened to the VCF Midwest concept?
-Bob
On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, Tom Uban wrote:
Bob Brown
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I assume this is the California VCF. How is the
East coast VCF shaping up?
Yes. The main VCF event is September 15/16 at the San Jose Convention
Center.
I'm still searching for a suitable venue for VCF East 1.0. I was all set
to do it at the Rhodes Island Convention Center but their fees are too
high.
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
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International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org 
15 Mar
15 Mar
2:39 a.m.
On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, Sellam Ismail wrote:
On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, Tom Uban wrote:
It's probably too late to actually get something going this year, but
has nay consideration been given to holding it at a college rather than
a Convention Center?? Scranton, PA is pretty well located at the
junctions of I81 (north/south), I84 (east to NE), I380 (southeast towards
Nj and NYC), I80 (east/west) and the Northeast Extension of he PA Turnpike
(which has an I number, but I don't know it but it heads straight to
Pilladelphia).
We even have our own airport. :-)
Lot's of hotels/motels. And I would imagine the facilities here are
a lot cheaper than most Convention Centers.
What I don't know is what facilities are needed and how many people
you expect to need support for.
Anybody want to talk aboit it??
bill
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University of Scranton |
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I assume this is the California VCF. How is the
East coast VCF shaping up?
Yes. The main VCF event is September 15/16 at the San Jose Convention
Center.
I'm still searching for a suitable venue for VCF East 1.0. I was all set
to do it at the Rhodes Island Convention Center but their fees are too
high.
2:24 a.m.
On Thu, 15 Mar 2001, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
It's probably too late to actually get something
going this year, but
has nay consideration been given to holding it at a college rather
than a Convention Center?? Scranton, PA is pretty well located at the
junctions of I81 (north/south), I84 (east to NE), I380 (southeast
towards Nj and NYC), I80 (east/west) and the Northeast Extension of he
PA Turnpike (which has an I number, but I don't know it but it heads
straight to Pilladelphia).
Philadelphia is on the short list of places to hold the event, and it
still hasn't been completely decided yet, but I am favoring the
Providence/Boston areas over anything else because of the proximity to the
Rhodes Island Computer Museum and the Retro-Computing Society of Rhodes
Island. I'd like to lend support to those organizations by holding the
event close enough for people to go visit them while they attend the
Festival.
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
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International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org
5:22 a.m.
What shipping arrangements are there (if any) for getting large equipment
to the convention?
--tom
Yes. The main VCF event is September 15/16 at the San
Jose Convention
Center.
I'm still searching for a suitable venue for VCF East 1.0. I was all set
to do it at the Rhodes Island Convention Center but their fees are too
high.
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer
Festival
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International Man of Intrigue and Danger
http://www.vintage.org
5:30 a.m.
On Thu, 15 Mar 2001, Tom Uban wrote:
What shipping arrangements are there (if any) for
getting large equipment
to the convention?
Whatever ones you make :)
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
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International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org
14 Mar
14 Mar
9:56 a.m.
I assume this is the California VCF. How is the East
coast VCF shaping
up?
Yes, and what about those poor souls (like me) who live in the netherworld
between the coasts?
--
Jeffrey S. Sharp
jss(a)ou.edu
"One World, One Web, One Program" -- Microsoft advertisement
"Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer" -- Adolf Hitler
9:37 a.m.
On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, Jeffrey S. Sharp wrote:
John Keys is supposed to be investigating a VCF Midwest. What's up with
that, John?
:)
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
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International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org
I assume this
is the California VCF. How is the East coast VCF shaping
up?
Yes, and what about those poor souls (like me) who live in the netherworld
between the coasts? 
1:17 p.m.
So far there has been very little interest from people in this area and
the States around us. After asking for help on this list I got only two
responses one person is working with me and the other said he would come
if we had it depending on the dates. But other wise we could really
tell how people would come here for the show. We could not get sponsors
without numbers to show a return on their investment. If nothing breaks
for us soon we will have wait until another time.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sellam Ismail" <foo(a)siconic.com>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 5:37 PM
Subject: Re: VCF 5.0 date?
with
On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, Jeffrey S. Sharp wrote:
> > I assume this is the California VCF. How is the East coast VCF
shaping
> > up?
>
> Yes, and what about those poor souls (like me) who live in the
netherworld
between the
coasts?
John Keys is supposed to be investigating a VCF Midwest. What's up that, John?
:)
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer
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International Man of Intrigue and Danger
http://www.vintage.org
15 Mar
15 Mar
2:06 a.m.
On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, John R. Keys Jr. wrote:
So far there has been very little interest from people
in this area
and the States around us. After asking for help on this list I got
only two responses one person is working with me and the other said he
would come if we had it depending on the dates. But other wise we
could really tell how people would come here for the show. We could
not get sponsors without numbers to show a return on their investment.
If nothing breaks for us soon we will have wait until another time.
After VCF East is taken care of then we'll run a survey for a possible VCF
Midwest. There's no way I can manage any more shows this year, so any
midwest event will have to wait til 2002.
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
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International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org
6:13 a.m.
So far there has been very little interest from people
in this area and
the States around us. After asking for help on this list I got only two
responses one person is working with me and the other said he would come
if we had it depending on the dates. But other wise we could really
tell how people would come here for the show. We could not get sponsors
without numbers to show a return on their investment. If nothing breaks
for us soon we will have wait until another time.
Well, that's the usual dilema for any new venture - Even guys
like Benz and Ford had some problems to sell the idea of owning
a self driven vehicle ....
No, serious - I had the very same problem with VCFe 1.0. You
will never get an even balance at your first try (and I will
be happy if any time). But Money isn't only the thing to hassle.
You have to balance two groups of people - your visitors _and_
your exhibitors. If you, for example manage to get a whooping
publicity and thousands of visitors, but you only have a few
things on display, nobody will show up for version 2.0 - and
the very same is true for your exhibitors - one may manage to
round up every collector between Buffalo and Salt Lake City,
but they won't come again if you can't herd in enough cattle
... err visitors.
So the only way is to go ahead and try it at a friendly
neightborhood sized version - a litte bit advertisement,
and everything at a lever where it doesn't cost you more
than lat's say a great vacation. After all, it is some
kind of work out vacation :)
VCFe 1.0 was made a reasonable success that way (and many
thanks to Sallam, who did help quite a lot), and VCFe 2.0
will now be a even bigger success ... only six more weeks !
And it even looks like we may fork a second VCF site alteady
next year in another European country.
You got to take the flag and carry it on -
There's no way to loose, only to miss a chance.
Err... let's say I got carried away :=)
Servus
H.
--
VCF Europa 2.0 am 28./29. April 2001 in Muenchen
http://www.vintage.org/vcfe
http://www.homecomputer.de/vcfe
8:44 a.m.
On Thu, 15 Mar 2001, Hans Franke wrote:
VCFe 1.0 was made a reasonable success that way (and
many
thanks to Sallam, who did help quite a lot), and VCFe 2.0
will now be a even bigger success ... only six more weeks !
100+ visitors for the first event in Europe is a GREAT success! VCF 1.0
only got about 150 attendees.
And it even looks like we may fork a second VCF site
alteady next year
in another European country.
VCF! VCF! Uber Alles! ")
You got to take the flag and carry it on - There's
no way to loose,
only to miss a chance.
Be the one to bring the next VCF to your home town! Inquiries to
<sellam(a)vintage.org>rg>.
:)
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
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International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org
11:07 a.m.
New subject: Apple Lisa
Well, for the first time in over a year, my Apple Lisa has
passed all it's power-on tests. It ended up being bad chips on one
of the memory boards. This with a CPU board with the 3A ROMs on it.
I removed the round black coil attached to the video card a while
back to try to restore it's video back to normal but I get no display
when I put a CPU card in that has the older ROMs, while the CPU card
with the modified ROMs still works fine. It also is actually
attempting to access the floppy drive finally.
For those that don't know about my Lisa, it's a 2/5 and may
have even started life as a 1, but was heavily modified with the
upgrade screen ROMs, 800k floppy, internal hard disk running off of
the external parallel port, and a SCSI hard disk mounted in one of
the expansion slots. It was a bit of a basket case when I got my
hands on it and it took me quite a while just to get it to power on
at all.
Jeff
--
Collector of Classic Microcomputers and Video Game Systems:
Home of the TRS-80 Model 2000 FAQ File
http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/lakes/6757
16 Mar
16 Mar
10:20 a.m.
Thanks for the tips. John
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hans Franke" <Hans.Franke(a)mch20.sbs.de>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 2:13 PM
Subject: Re: VCF 5.0 date?
> So far there has been very little interest from
people in this area
and
> the States around us. After asking for help on
this list I got only
two
> responses one person is working with me and the
other said he would
come
> if we had it depending on the dates. But other
wise we could really
> tell how people would come here for the show. We could not get
sponsors
> without numbers to show a return on their
investment. If nothing
breaks
for us soon we
will have wait until another time.
Well, that's the usual dilema for any new venture - Even guys
like Benz and Ford had some problems to sell the idea of owning
a self driven vehicle ....
No, serious - I had the very same problem with VCFe 1.0. You
will never get an even balance at your first try (and I will
be happy if any time). But Money isn't only the thing to hassle.
You have to balance two groups of people - your visitors _and_
your exhibitors. If you, for example manage to get a whooping
publicity and thousands of visitors, but you only have a few
things on display, nobody will show up for version 2.0 - and
the very same is true for your exhibitors - one may manage to
round up every collector between Buffalo and Salt Lake City,
but they won't come again if you can't herd in enough cattle
... err visitors.
So the only way is to go ahead and try it at a friendly
neightborhood sized version - a litte bit advertisement,
and everything at a lever where it doesn't cost you more
than lat's say a great vacation. After all, it is some
kind of work out vacation :)
VCFe 1.0 was made a reasonable success that way (and many
thanks to Sallam, who did help quite a lot), and VCFe 2.0
will now be a even bigger success ... only six more weeks !
And it even looks like we may fork a second VCF site alteady
next year in another European country.
You got to take the flag and carry it on -
There's no way to loose, only to miss a chance.
Err... let's say I got carried away :=)
Servus
H.
--
VCF Europa 2.0 am 28./29. April 2001 in Muenchen
http://www.vintage.org/vcfe
http://www.homecomputer.de/vcfe
15 Mar
15 Mar
6:13 a.m.
> I don't see a date for VCF 5.0 ? Didn't
someone say that they did?
It's not posted yet on the VCF site but the dates
are September 15/16,
2001 :)
Oops, isn't that a bit early ?
Gruss
H.
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VCF Europa 2.0 am 28./29. April 2001 in Muenchen
http://www.vintage.org/vcfe
http://www.homecomputer.de/vcfe
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