21 Sep
2002
21 Sep
'02
4:52 p.m.
Dear Vintage Computer Festival fan:
It is with great pleasure that I announce that the fifth annual
Vintage Computer Festival is being sponsored by the Computer History
Museum.
In conjunction with the CHM's sponsorship, VCF 5.0 will now be held at
the Moffett Training & Conference Center at Moffet Federal Airfield in
Mountain View, California. The dates of the event will remain October
26th and 27th. Moffett Federal Airfield is of course also the home of
the Computer History Museum. This year's tours of the CHM's Visible
Storage exhibits will be more tightly integrated with the VCF. The
collaboration between the VCF and CHM will make for an exciting
computer history experience.
Admission to the event will be $10 per person per day for full access
to Speakers, the Exhibition and the Marketplace, or $4 per person per
day for Exhibition and Marketplace access only. As always, kids 17
and under will be admitted free, and parking is free.
Important note for foreign nationals (i.e. non-U.S. citizens): because
the Moffett Federal Airfield is a United States military installation,
foreign nationals must undergo screening prior to being allowed on the
base. We regret this inconvenience. If you are a foreign national
(not a United States citizen) planning to attend VCF, please fill out
the Foreign National Registration form on the VCF website:
http://www.vintage.org/2002/main/foreign.php
Your registration must be received by September 26, 2002.
If you are a United States citizen, you do not need to register.
Stay tuned for forthcoming announcements regarding VCF 5.0 or visit
the VCF 5.0 website for more information:
http://www.vintage.org/2002/main/
Vendor booths are still available!
Best regards,
Sellam Ismail
Producer
Vintage Computer Festival
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21 Sep
11:07 p.m.
New subject: Looking for statistics on the Computer market of the 80's
Hi guys
I am working on an essay, and I need statistics and figures from the 80's on
sales, value, models, types of computers sold. Any number would be
appreciated. I need to cover not only the PC market, but the home computer
market too.
Looking for numbers like like, how many Ti99/4A were sold, per year if
possible and at what price, how many Compaq portables, how many Spectrums,
QLs, IBM PC/XT, PC/XT clones, etc
Could anybody please give me a hand?
Thanks in advance
22 Sep
22 Sep
7:40 a.m.
New subject: Looking for statistics on the Computer market of the 80's
On Sun, 22 Sep 2002, Voyager wrote:
I am working on an essay, and I need statistics and
figures from the 80's on
sales, value, models, types of computers sold. Any number would be
appreciated. I need to cover not only the PC market, but the home computer
market too.
Looking for numbers like like, how many Ti99/4A were sold, per year if
possible and at what price, how many Compaq portables, how many Spectrums,
QLs, IBM PC/XT, PC/XT clones, etc
Sorry, I can only offer you luck in your search for these kinds of
statistics. I would love to have them myself.
If you find any, please report them back here ;)
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
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8:14 a.m.
New subject: Looking for statistics on the Computer market of the 80's
From: "Sellam Ismail"
I thought that Dataquest was posting / reporting regurally (quarterly?) the
sales of the computer market of the 80s. Unfortunatelly, after a quick
search, I cannot locate such a report, or article. I found in Gartner's
site, reports back to 1997, 20 years younger than what I am looking for.
> I am working on an essay, and I need statistics
and figures from the
80's on
> sales, value, models, types of computers sold.
Any number would be
> appreciated. I need to cover not only the PC market, but the home
computer
> market too.
>
> Looking for numbers like like, how many Ti99/4A were sold, per year if
> possible and at what price, how many Compaq portables, how many
Spectrums,
QLs, IBM
PC/XT, PC/XT clones, etc
Sorry, I can only offer you luck in your search for these kinds of
statistics. I would love to have them myself.
If you find any, please report them back here ;)
8:50 a.m.
New subject: Looking for statistics on the Computer market of the 80's
Market research reports are notoriously unreliable, especially if they are
predictive. In the 1980s, InfoWorld did a comparison of PC industry reports
from a half-dozen or so firms, and the numbers varied
widely. And some firms
like Future Computing were prone to wildly optimistic
numbers, which
endeared them to the manufacturers.
Such reports are useful to get an idea of relative numbers, but the only
reliable actual production numbers will be from manufacturers' sources. That
will be tough, as many of the leading vendors never publicly released real
sales figures.
Your best sources might be old annual reports, press releases, etc. You
might also contact the Charles Babbage Institute (http://www.cbi.umn.edu/),
which has an extensive library that houses corporate documents from a wide
number of computer manufacturers.
--Mike
Michael Nadeau
Editor/Publisher
Classic Tech, the Vintage Computing Resource
www.classictechpub.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Voyager" <voyager(a)hol.gr>
To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2002 1:10 PM
Subject: Re: Looking for statistics on the Computer market of the 80's
From: "Sellam Ismail"
I thought that Dataquest was posting / reporting regurally (quarterly?)
the
> I am working on an essay, and I need
statistics and figures from the
80's on
> sales, value, models, types of computers
sold. Any number would be
> appreciated. I need to cover not only the PC market, but the home
computer
> market too.
>
> Looking for numbers like like, how many Ti99/4A were sold, per year if
> possible and at what price, how many Compaq portables, how many
Spectrums,
QLs, IBM
PC/XT, PC/XT clones, etc
Sorry, I can only offer you luck in your search for these kinds of
statistics. I would love to have them myself.
If you find any, please report them back here ;)
sales of the computer market of the 80s.
Unfortunatelly, after a quick
search, I cannot locate such a report, or article. I found in Gartner's
site, reports back to 1997, 20 years younger than what I am looking for.
5:46 p.m.
New subject: Looking for statistics on the Computer market of the 80's
On Sun, Sep 22, 2002 at 11:04:13AM +0300, Voyager wrote:
Hi guys
I am working on an essay, and I need statistics and figures from the 80's on
sales, value, models, types of computers sold. Any number would be
appreciated. I need to cover not only the PC market, but the home computer
market too.
I always thought that companies kept their sales figures secret,
and (as Sellam mentioned) the business reports that claim to collect
sales figures in one place are not necessarily reliable. So my
strategy would be:
Find a list of brands you want to concentrate on. You already know the
common ones, but the categorized lists of Web sites (that Yahoo, AltaVista,
etc. maintain) might still be useful. This site has an excellent cross-
reference of models along with release dates and technical details
(screen resolution, chips used).
http://www.machine-room.org/
There are other "overview" sites which I don't have the URLs for
right now. Search engines or categorized lists of Web sites will
find them with enough patience.
Then look for sites that cover specific brands.
http://www.mcmordie.co.uk/
has some figures for Acorn computers (click on "The history of Acorn's
computers")
http://www.apple2history.org/
is an expanded version of some material from 1991 (click where it says
"Welcome to the Apple II History" in bold)
And don't forget the library. My university library has the "J. Ramade
IBM Series" printed by McGraw-Hill; the books mostly cover mainframe
topics but there is one on the PC line:
AUTHOR Sanchez, Julio, 1938-
TITLE IBM microcomputers : a programmer's handbook / Julio Sanchez,
Maria P. Canton.
PUB INFO New York : McGraw-Hill, c1990.
SERIES J. Ranade IBM series.
OTHER AUTHOR Canton, Maria P.
LCCN 90005870.
ISBN 0070545944.
which is actually quite complete.
And some of these companies are still in business, so maybe you can tell
them you're doing research on '80s machines and get the official prices
and sales figures.
-- Derek
9:34 p.m.
New subject: Looking for statistics on the Computer market of the 80's
Hi Derek
Thanks for the info. I have already "sweeped" sites like Alexios'
machine-room.org (he is Greek too you know:-)) )I am looking for figures
published every few months in the 80's. Unfortunatelly, BYTE magazine that
published them regurally in articles, is not on line for so early issues.
Most of the companies I am looking for, are out of business. And, for these
that are not, I could never ask for data (I cannot ask IBM or Compaq for how
many compatibles were sold in 1986 :((( )
I am focused in the home-computer area, and the systems built from mid-70's
to 1995 (when Atari and Amiga eventually died). I try to cover also the PCs
used as home computers at the same time.
I will search the links you gave me. THANKS! (and for the rest of the guys
that replied)
Any other help? anybody with figures? :-)
George
I always thought that companies kept their sales figures secret,
and (as Sellam mentioned) the business reports that claim to collect
sales figures in one place are not necessarily reliable. So my
strategy would be:
Find a list of brands you want to concentrate on. You already know the
common ones, but the categorized lists of Web sites (that Yahoo,
AltaVista,
etc. maintain) might still be useful. This site has
an excellent cross-
reference of models along with release dates and technical details
(screen resolution, chips used).
http://www.machine-room.org/
There are other "overview" sites which I don't have the URLs for
right now. Search engines or categorized lists of Web sites will
find them with enough patience.
Then look for sites that cover specific brands.
http://www.mcmordie.co.uk/
has some figures for Acorn computers (click on "The history of Acorn's
computers")
http://www.apple2history.org/
is an expanded version of some material from 1991 (click where it says
"Welcome to the Apple II History" in bold)
And don't forget the library. My university library has the "J. Ramade
IBM Series" printed by McGraw-Hill; the books mostly cover mainframe
topics but there is one on the PC line:
AUTHOR Sanchez, Julio, 1938-
TITLE IBM microcomputers : a programmer's handbook / Julio
Sanchez,
Maria P. Canton.
PUB INFO New York : McGraw-Hill, c1990.
SERIES J. Ranade IBM series.
OTHER AUTHOR Canton, Maria P.
LCCN 90005870.
ISBN 0070545944.
which is actually quite complete.
And some of these companies are still in business, so maybe you can tell
them you're doing research on '80s machines and get the official prices
and sales figures.
-- Derek
10:49 p.m.
New subject: Looking for statistics on the Computer market of the 80's
On Mon, Sep 23, 2002 at 09:31:08AM +0300, Voyager wrote:
Hi Derek
Thanks for the info. I have already "sweeped" sites like Alexios'
machine-room.org (he is Greek too you know:-)) )I am looking for figures
published every few months in the 80's. Unfortunatelly, BYTE magazine that
published them regurally in articles, is not on line for so early issues.
Oh. I didn't know that you were looking for BYTE. Did you mention it
earlier and I wasn't paying attention?
Most of the companies I am looking for, are out of
business. And, for these
that are not, I could never ask for data (I cannot ask IBM or Compaq for how
many compatibles were sold in 1986 :((( )
No, but you could ask about genuine IBM and Compaq machines.
What exactly is the purpose of your essay? How much time do you have?
-- Derek
23 Sep
23 Sep
midnight
New subject: Looking for statistics on the Computer market of the 80's
Oh. I didn't know that you were looking for BYTE.
Did you mention it
earlier and I wasn't paying attention?
No, I did not, but it would be a great source of info if they had online the
early issues :-(
I should also check the PCW and PCMag, but I have not any links to these
yet.
> Most of the companies I am looking for, are out
of business. And, for
these
> that are not, I could never ask for data (I
cannot ask IBM or Compaq for
how
many
compatibles were sold in 1986 :((( )
No, but you could ask about genuine IBM and Compaq machines.
What exactly is the purpose of your essay? How much time do you have?
12:36 a.m.
New subject: Looking for statistics on the Computer market of the 80's
On Mon, Sep 23, 2002 at 12:02:12PM +0300, George Kourvaras wrote:
I would be surprised to see much recycling -- computers weren't redesigned
as often then as they were now, and they were more expensive, so people
upgraded or just made do with what they had.
-- Derek
No, I did not, but it would be a great source of info
if they had online the
early issues :-(
More than one person on the list has the early issues (in paper format).
Can you describe where in each issue to find the figures?
What exactly
is the purpose of your essay? How much time do you have?
It's a MSc thesis, on Retrocomputing and Recycling of home micros of the
area 1975-1995 (mostly 80s actually) 
4:32 a.m.
New subject: Looking for statistics on the Computer market of the 80's
I think with larger machines, there may have been a tendency to recycle
by sale. Many older machines found homes at other, smaller companies.
On Mon, 23 Sep 2002, Derek Peschel wrote:
On Mon, Sep 23, 2002 at 12:02:12PM +0300, George
Kourvaras wrote:
I would be surprised to see much recycling -- computers weren't redesigned
as often then as they were now, and they were more expensive, so people
upgraded or just made do with what they had.
-- Derek
M. K. Peirce
Rhode Island Computer Museum, Inc.
Shady Lea, Rhode Island
"Casta est quam nemo rogavit."
- Ovid
No, I did not, but it would be a great source of
info if they had online the
early issues :-(
More than one person on the list has the early issues (in paper format).
Can you describe where in each issue to find the figures?
What
exactly is the purpose of your essay? How much time do you have?
It's a MSc thesis, on Retrocomputing and Recycling of home micros of the
area 1975-1995 (mostly 80s actually)
8:39 a.m.
New subject: Looking for statistics on the Computer market of the 80's
From: "Merle K. Peirce"
I think with larger machines, there may have been a
tendency to recycle
by sale. Many older machines found homes at other, smaller companies.
you are right. I am focused on the home computer market of the '80s, were
the micros are rather small in volume and can be stored away, probably as a
foundation on a future collection (like mine).
Most of the PCs are bulky and also upgradable, expanding the lifecycle of
the actual machine at least for 10 years in some extreme cases (you could
use the PC/XT/AT box to hold a Pentium II class motherboard), something
impossible for the Sinclair ZX Spectrum or ZX81s.
The second option, is to extend lie cycle or "recycle" by software, changing
the basic use for the main home computer (PC) from gaming to router or
printer server (in SOHO configurations).
8:39 a.m.
New subject: Looking for statistics on the Computer market of the 80's
More than one person on the list has the early issues
(in paper format).
Can you describe where in each issue to find the figures?
Difficult to know. It's in the editorial or in aricles. I cannot tell, as I
do not have any of these issues. I've got some PCW of 1986 if I recall, but
not the rest :-(
What exactly is the purpose of your essay? How much
time do you have?
It's a MSc thesis, on Retrocomputing and Recycling of home micros of the
area 1975-1995 (mostly 80s actually) 
12:08 p.m.
New subject: Looking for statistics on the Computer market of the 80's
Voyager wrote:
>More than one person on the list has the early
issues (in paper format).
>Can you describe where in each issue to find the figures?
Difficult to know. It's in the editorial or in
aricles. I cannot tell, as I
do not have any of these issues. I've got some PCW of 1986 if I recall, but
not the rest :-(
I have PCW all the way back to the first issue in 1976. I can look but I
don't recall seeing any figures of the sort you are looking for. There
again, I've been concentrating on the very early issues. Ill look at the
early 80's and see what I can find.
-- hbp
2:40 p.m.
New subject: Looking for statistics on the Computer market of the 80's
On Mon, 23 Sep 2002, Hans B Pufal wrote:
I have PCW all the way back to the first issue in
1976. I can look but I
Errr,...
The IBM PC came out in August 1981.
Later, PC magazine was created.
Then, disgruntled (are there every any gruntled?) staff from PC formed PC
World magazine.
Did you mean 1986?
Or was there a different PCW?
Or did they manage to put out issues before their subject came out?
3:07 p.m.
New subject: Looking for statistics on the Computer market of the 80's
It's a British publication--Personal Computer World.
Michael Nadeau
Editor/Publisher
Classic Tech, the Vintage Computing Resource
www.classictechpub.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred Cisin (XenoSoft)" <cisin(a)xenosoft.com>
To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 7:40 PM
Subject: Re: Looking for statistics on the Computer market of the 80's
On Mon, 23 Sep 2002, Hans B Pufal wrote:
I have PCW all the way back to the first issue in
1976. I can look but I
Errr,...
The IBM PC came out in August 1981.
Later, PC magazine was created.
Then, disgruntled (are there every any gruntled?) staff from PC formed PC
World magazine.
Did you mean 1986?
Or was there a different PCW?
Or did they manage to put out issues before their subject came out?
3:18 p.m.
New subject: Looking for statistics on the Computer market of the 80's
On Mon, 23 Sep 2002, Michael Nadeau wrote:
It's a British publication--Personal Computer
World.
The US "Personal Computer World" (aka PCW) was a giant. Is the British
one affiliated with it, or independent?
Did IT come out 5 years before the IBM "Personal Computer"?
3:35 p.m.
New subject: Looking for statistics on the Computer market of the 80's
No relation to PC World, which was launched by a disgruntled PC Magazine
staff that jumped ship when the publication was sold to Ziff-Davis. And no,
it wasn't an IBM PC-specific pub. See this eBay listing:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=20564999169916.
Michael Nadeau
Editor/Publisher
Classic Tech, the Vintage Computing Resource
www.classictechpub.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred Cisin (XenoSoft)" <cisin(a)xenosoft.com>
To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 8:18 PM
Subject: Re: Looking for statistics on the Computer market of the 80's
On Mon, 23 Sep 2002, Michael Nadeau wrote:
It's a British publication--Personal Computer
World.
The US "Personal Computer World" (aka PCW) was a giant. Is the British
one affiliated with it, or independent?
Did IT come out 5 years before the IBM "Personal Computer"?
24 Sep
24 Sep
12:20 a.m.
New subject: Looking for statistics on the Computer market of the 80's
Hi,
"Fred Cisin (XenoSoft)" <cisin(a)xenosoft.com> said:
On Mon, 23 Sep 2002, Michael Nadeau wrote:
3 years actually. I've still got issue No. 1. dated 1978.
AFAIK there's no connection with the US magazine, the British one was
published by A. Zgorelec and proudly claimed to be "Europe's first
magazine for personal computers."
It grew to be Britains biggest computer magazine - literally, many
issues were over an inch thick, but now it's a shadow of its former
self.
--
Cheers,
Stan Barr stanb(a)dial.pipex.com
The future was never like this!
It's a British publication--Personal Computer
World.
The US "Personal Computer World" (aka PCW) was a giant. Is the British
one affiliated with it, or independent?
Did IT come out 5 years before the IBM "Personal Computer"? 
23 Sep
23 Sep
3:14 p.m.
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10:03 p.m.
New subject: Looking for statistics on the Computer market of the 80's
OK, let's see, how is possible to change the CPU of the ZX Spectrum 48K (the
rubber keyd version) to get double/triple the performance? how could I have
no 48K but 1MB instead? How could I mount a CDROM or Hard disk?
Could I change my old floppy drive( no "sinclair" floppies existed for the
ZX48K) to a new larger one? Let's say, I need a better resolution on
graphics, and 3 channel sound generator.
Upgrading from my point of view, and I guess you would agree with me, is
something that can be done by (almost) everyday people, at very *VERY*
reasonable cost, and not by nerds or extreme hobbyist (like myself).
"Upgrading" should not need an Electronic Engineering degree.
Only modular systems, and with a lot of hardware options and development
through time, could be considered "Upgrade-friendly", like the PC or the
Apple-II. Amigas were a different case, I am reffering mostly to 80's 8bit
home computers, and not the 16/32bit monsters :-)
From: "Tony Duell"
I want to
point out, what happen to the home computers, and that it's
impossible to upgrade them, anyway, and the only solution/destination is
COme again? "It's impossible to upgrade home computers"??? I guess
that's
total news to me, and to many others on this list (who have machines
expanded and modified _way_ beyond what the manufacturers ever intended).
-tony
24 Sep
24 Sep
2:55 a.m.
New subject: Looking for statistics on the Computer market of the 80's
And thusly Voyager spake:
OK, let's see, how is possible to change the CPU of the ZX Spectrum 48K (the
rubber keyd version) to get double/triple the performance? how could I have
no 48K but 1MB instead? How could I mount a CDROM or Hard disk?
Could I change my old floppy drive( no "sinclair" floppies existed for the
ZX48K) to a new larger one? Let's say, I need a better resolution on
graphics, and 3 channel sound generator.
Upgrading from my point of view, and I guess you would agree with me, is
something that can be done by (almost) everyday people, at very *VERY*
reasonable cost, and not by nerds or extreme hobbyist (like myself).
"Upgrading" should not need an Electronic Engineering degree.
Only modular systems, and with a lot of hardware options and development
through time, could be considered "Upgrade-friendly", like the PC or the
Apple-II. Amigas were a different case, I am reffering mostly to 80's 8bit
home computers, and not the 16/32bit monsters :-)
It is possible to upgrade the CPU on a Commodore 64 or 128. The SuperCPUs
ae still being sold today. You can also double the number of voices you
get from the SID chip and get stereo sound. Upgrading the graphics is a
different store though...
Cheers,
Bryan
9:08 a.m.
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Well, up to now, the only stats I got is:
ZX80s aroung 70.000 pcs
(ZX81s ~2.000.000 pcs) ???
ZX48K and ZX+ ~3.000.000 pcs
QLs 100.000 pcs
Orics: less than 300.000 for both Oric1 & Oric ATMOS.
Any hints on the MSX market? the Commodores?
9:18 a.m.
New subject: Looking for statistics on the Computer market of the 80's
And thusly Voyager spake:
Well, up to now, the only stats I got is:
ZX80s aroung 70.000 pcs
(ZX81s ~2.000.000 pcs) ???
ZX48K and ZX+ ~3.000.000 pcs
QLs 100.000 pcs
Orics: less than 300.000 for both Oric1 & Oric ATMOS.
Any hints on the MSX market? the Commodores?
This is from the 2002 Guinness Book of World Records:
"About 30 million Commodore 64 computers were sold between the model's
launch in 1982 and its commercial decline in 1993. The computer contained
64K RAM, 16K graphics, and 16K sound."
:-D
Cheers,
Bryan
11:50 a.m.
New subject: Looking for statistics on the Computer market of the 80's
This is from the 2002 Guinness Book of World Records:
"About 30 million Commodore 64 computers were sold between the model's >
launch in 1982 and its commercial decline in 1993. The computer contained
64K RAM, 16K graphics, and 16K sound."
Bryan
I do not think so. The numbers I got are estimating for 12mil to 20mil
including all international versions. Where did they got the 30mil figure
from?!
1:09 p.m.
New subject: Looking for statistics on the Computer market of the 80's
On Tue, 24 Sep 2002, Bryan Pope wrote:
"About 30 million Commodore 64 computers were
sold between the model's
launch in 1982 and its commercial decline in 1993. The computer
contained 64K RAM, 16K graphics, and 16K sound."
That's contrary to every figure I've ever heard for the C64 production
numbers. It's inflated by about 50-60%. Cameron Kaiser or Larry Anderson
would be the guys to ask.
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
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6:53 p.m.
New subject: C-64 numbers (was Re: Looking for statistics on the Computer market of the 80's)
--- Sellam Ismail <foo(a)siconic.com> wrote:
On Tue, 24 Sep 2002, Bryan Pope wrote:
Agreed. My understanding of the number of C-64s sold is more in the
ballpark of 17-19M.
I have s/n S00002345 (FCC ID BR98VY.VIC20 !) among others (I used to
have S00002008, a freebie/promo unit from C= to my first employer
in April, 1982, but we traded it into the dealer for a newer one that
crashed less often. Somewhere, I have the 1540 that came with it).
-ethan
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"About 30 million Commodore 64 computers
were sold between the model's
launch in 1982 and its commercial decline in 1993. The computer
contained 64K RAM, 16K graphics, and 16K sound."
That's contrary to every figure I've ever heard for the C64 production
numbers. It's inflated by about 50-60%. Cameron Kaiser or Larry
Anderson would be the guys to ask.
12:22 p.m.
New subject: Looking for statistics on the Computer market of the 80's
I have a Sinclair press release that says it sold more than 100,000 ZX80s.
--Mike
Michael Nadeau
Editor/Publisher
Classic Tech, the Vintage Computing Resource
www.classictechpub.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Voyager" <voyager(a)hol.gr>
To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 2:05 PM
Subject: Re: Looking for statistics on the Computer market of the 80's
Well, up to now, the only stats I got is:
ZX80s aroung 70.000 pcs
(ZX81s ~2.000.000 pcs) ???
ZX48K and ZX+ ~3.000.000 pcs
QLs 100.000 pcs
Orics: less than 300.000 for both Oric1 & Oric ATMOS.
Any hints on the MSX market? the Commodores?
12:31 p.m.
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I have a Sinclair press release that says it sold more
than 100,000 ZX80s.
Could you send a copy please? I would be very interested. When is it dated?
Sir Clive was notorius for giving false info on comercial issues :-)
2:21 p.m.
New subject: Looking for statistics on the Computer market of the 80's
Sir Clive was notorius for giving false info on
comercial issues :-)
And how does that make him different from every other micro
maker?
I'd be happy to send you a copy of the press release. Send me your fax
number off-list. It's a 23-page company fact sheet dated May 1982. Do you
want it all or just the relevant pages?
What is the source for your 70,000 figure?
Michael Nadeau
Editor/Publisher
Classic Tech, the Vintage Computing Resource
www.classictechpub.com
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From: "Voyager" <voyager(a)hol.gr>
To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 5:28 PM
Subject: Re: Looking for statistics on the Computer market of the 80's
> I have a Sinclair press release that says it sold more than 100,000
ZX80s.
Sir Clive was notorius for giving false info on
comercial issues :-)
>
9:33 p.m.
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Sir Clive was
notorius for giving false info on comercial issues :-)
And how does that make him
different from every other micro maker?
I'd be happy to send you a copy of the press release. Send me your fax
number off-list. It's a 23-page company fact sheet dated May 1982. Do you
want it all or just the relevant pages?
What is the source for your 70,000 figure?
1:07 p.m.
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On Tue, 24 Sep 2002, Voyager wrote:
Well, up to now, the only stats I got is:
ZX80s aroung 70.000 pcs
(ZX81s ~2.000.000 pcs) ???
I would think there would have been way more ZX81s produced.
Any hints on the MSX market? the Commodores?
Commodore 64 - anywhere from 17 to 22 million
Apple ][ - something like 17 million (combining all models of Apple ][
including ][, ][+, //e, //c, //c+, //gs). I think this information is
online somewhere, either on Apple's website or on some of the history
websites.
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23 Sep
6:08 a.m.
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On Mon, 23 Sep 2002, George Kourvaras wrote:
I know it may not seem 'techno-savvy', but have you tried your campus's
library? Here at Purdue (according to the search page anyways) we've got
backissues going back to 1980. If you don't have much luck finding
anything, contact me off list and I should be able to get around to doing
some research Wednesday or Thursday (After my two exams this week, that
is).
-- Pat
Oh. I
didn't know that you were looking for BYTE. Did you mention it
earlier and I wasn't paying attention?
No, I did not, but it would be a great source of info if they had online the
early issues :-(
I should also check the PCW and PCMag, but I have not any links to these
yet.
8:18 a.m.
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Most of the
companies I am looking for, are out of business. And, for these
that are not, I could never ask for data (I cannot ask IBM or Compaq for how
many compatibles were sold in 1986 :((( )
No, but you could ask about genuine IBM
and Compaq machines.
8:25 a.m.
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On Mon, 23 Sep 2002, Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) wrote:
Or you could ask intel their production and sales numbers for
80x86 microprocessors.
The problem with that approach is that 80x86 processors ended up in many
more things than just computers: phone systems for one.
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Most of the companies I am looking for, are out of
business. And, for these
that are not, I could never ask for data (I cannot ask IBM or Compaq for how
many compatibles were sold in 1986 :((( )
No, but you could ask about genuine IBM
and Compaq machines.
3:15 p.m.
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Or you could
ask intel their production and sales numbers for
80x86 microprocessors.
The problem with that approach is that 80x86 processors ended up in many
more things than just computers: phone systems for one.
3:33 p.m.
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On Mon, 23 Sep 2002, Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) wrote:
That's why I said:
"The total number of "compatibles" is gonna be about the intel
production,
plus the production of competing chip companies, minus chips used for
other non "compatible" 80x86 devices."
What would you guess the ratio of PCs to other 80x86 devices would be?
I would venture to guess that 10% of all 80x86 CPUs produced went into
non-computers. I wouldn't be surprised if the ratio was higher (or lower
for that matter :)
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Or you could ask intel their production and sales
numbers for
80x86 microprocessors.
The problem with that approach is that 80x86 processors ended up in many
more things than just computers: phone systems for one.
3:14 p.m.
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22 Sep
6:53 p.m.
New subject: CRT Controller Handbook
Pardon my lack of short-term memory, but was someone recently
looking for information from the book _CRT Controller Handbook_
by Gerry Kane (1980)?
Just today I picked up that title plus the following classic computer
titles at a local used book sale:
The 8080A Bugbook; Radio Shack; 1977
Build Your Own Universal Computer Interface; Bruce Chubb; 1989
The Cheap Video Cookbook; Don Lancaster; 1978
Computer Peripherals You Can Build; Dr. Gordon Wolfe; 1982
Data Communications for Microcomputers; Nichols et al; 1982
Microcomputer Design and Troubleshooting; Eugene Zumchak; 1982
Microcomputer Interfacing Handbook: A/D & D/A; Joseph Carr; 1980
Microcomputer Primer, 2ed; Michael Waite and Michael Pardee; 1980
Microprocessor Interfacing; Joseph Carr; 1982
Programming Microprocessors; Marshall McMurran; 1977
TRS-80 Interfacing; Jonathan Titus; 1979
TV Typewriter Cookbook; Don Lancaster; 1976
Z-80 Applications; James Coffron; 1983
Z-80 Assembly Language Subroutines; Leventhal and Seville; 1983
Z-80 Microprocessor Programming and Interfacing (Books 1 and 2);
Nichols et al; 1979
Also the following databooks:
Component Data Catalog; Intel; 1981
HD64180 8-Bit Microprocessor Hardware Manual; Hitachi; January 1988
MCS-86 User's Manual; Intel; July 1978
I also picked up a 1979 copy of _Computer Arithmetic: Principles,
Architecture,
and Design_ by Kai Hwang. Besides the interesting content, the first
page has
Leo J. Scanlon's name and imprint stamp.
Cheers,
Dan
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