very true, fossil oil will remain the dominant fuel for the forseeable ( until the end of my lifetime anyway ) future. However, if you've got a couple of acres ( not yet ) or live in the middle of a couple of chip fat users ( I do ) it is possible to a - actually do something for the environment whilst still having a life with the outside world. b - live a damn site more cheaply than previously ( we're also looking into oil fired heating/cooking ). c - stuff the UK government for the tax ( which is pretty bad over here in the UK ). You're also right about it not being viable to demand every car to run on old chip fat. Granted and very true. I'm just lucky enough to have stumbled accross the receipe, be dumb enough to give it a bash ( wife wondered for around a week what the smell was before I told her ) and have some local shops be prepared to let me have their 'waste'. It's also helping them reduce their costs ( they don't have to pay for the oil to be taken away ). Finally, and I don't want this to turn into a great big 'green' rave ( this *is* classic computing after all ), I can't see any issue with using bioD is any form. If it drives up the demand for oil based plants ( and I guess this goes the same for wood and ethanol ( right one ? ) ), then more places will grow it. If more places grow it there will be more of the carbon sinks the US are so fond of touting as their reason not to ratify the Kyoto thingie ( falme war ahead, beware ). As someone who is now quite happily self suff. in transport fuel and hopefully domestic fuel shortly, it doesn't bother me whether other people take up bioD. I wish they would as I think it would be a better idea than drilling more holes in the only place we've got. Mmmm, said too much already, I can hear the white coats being unrapped as we speak ;-) Anyway, about this VAX I've got ...... Have fun D -----Original Message----- From: rigdonj Sent: 09 July 2001 16:00 To: classiccmp Cc: rigdonj Subject: RE: Re: OT oil shortage was: Celebration (Not intended to be off ensive, possible humor) At 02:57 PM 7/9/01 +0100, David wrote: That's great. That's exact the kind of inventiveness that is needed to solve the energy crisis. However I think you'll agree that it would be rediculous to require that ALL cars run on chip oil. There simply isn't enough of it around. That's the same problem with alcohol, there isn't enough for it to be a viable fuel source. Yes, we could make more but at what price and with what kind of sacrifices? (more grain used to produce alcohol = less grain for food producton = higher food prices). Like it or not, gasoline will remain the major fuel source for the forseeable future. Joe Visit our website at http://www.ubswarburg.com This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version. This message is provided for informational purposes and should not be construed as a solicitation or offer to buy or sell any securities or related financial instruments.