14 Nov
2016
14 Nov
'16
6:33 p.m.
Hi all
I'm trying to resurrect my NCD19 for vcfe.ch but I can't find the firmware
for it (I have half a dozen different versions of NCDware, but most don't
contain the boot images, and none have the binary for the ncd19, only
ncd15b, ncd19r, ncd19c etc. which don't work). And all links I find on the
internet are dead ;(
I appreciate any help tracking that down.
Rico
15 Nov
15 Nov
9:56 a.m.
If you turn up NCD info, I'd like to add it to bitsavers.
On 11/14/16 3:33 PM, Rico Pajarola wrote:
Hi all
I'm trying to resurrect my NCD19 for vcfe.ch but I can't find the firmware
for it (I have half a dozen different versions of NCDware, but most don't
contain the boot images, and none have the binary for the ncd19, only
ncd15b, ncd19r, ncd19c etc. which don't work). And all links I find on the
internet are dead ;(
I appreciate any help tracking that down.
Rico
11:15 a.m.
I don't think I have any real documentation, just various NCDWare releases
ranging from 3.5 to 5.1. But I'll check.
But I have stupidly misplaced my copy of 3.2.1 (the last version to support
the NCD19...).
Does no one have NCDWare 3.2.1 or earlier? I just need the firmware for the
terminal, the host software is completely optional for my purpose.
On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 3:56 PM, Al Kossow <aek at bitsavers.org> wrote:
If you turn up NCD info, I'd like to add it to
bitsavers.
On 11/14/16 3:33 PM, Rico Pajarola wrote:
Hi all
I'm trying to resurrect my NCD19 for vcfe.ch but I can't find the
firmware
for it (I have half a dozen different versions of
NCDware, but most don't
contain the boot images, and none have the binary for the ncd19, only
ncd15b, ncd19r, ncd19c etc. which don't work). And all links I find on
the
internet are dead ;(
I appreciate any help tracking that down.
Rico
12:02 p.m.
On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 11:15 AM, Rico Pajarola <rp at servium.ch> wrote:
Does no one have NCDWare 3.2.1 or earlier? I just need
the firmware for the
terminal, the host software is completely optional for my purpose.
I was asking about NCD software just last month, for a Tektronix X221CHT / XP221
I got no answers. I found all the dead links.
-ethan
12:22 p.m.
On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 6:02 PM, Ethan Dicks <ethan.dicks at gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 11:15 AM, Rico Pajarola <rp
at servium.ch> wrote:
Sorry I missed that thread. I might have some XP2xx stuff, I'll check when
I'm home.
Does no one have NCDWare 3.2.1 or earlier? I just
need the firmware for
the
terminal, the host software is completely
optional for my purpose.
I was asking about NCD software just last month, for a Tektronix X221CHT /
XP221
I got no answers. I found all the dead links.
3:32 p.m.
New subject: NCD Explora Pro (was Re: NCD19 / Xncd19)
Similarly, I?m trying to resurrect an NCD Explora Pro, and haven?t found much more than
broken links. It?s one of their ?plug a keyboard, mouse, and monitor into the box? X
terminals.
Plugging in a keyboard, mouse, VGA panel, and Ethernet, I get a steady green light at
startup and ?donk donk? noise, then nothing, no sync on the panel. I haven?t tried its
serial port yet to see if its boot ROM console was perhaps rerouted there, and I haven?t
found documentation on how to do any sort of ?factory reset? of the device.
I have a Raspberry Pi 3 with a USB Ethernet dongle that it?s plugged into, but I can?t
remember how to use ARP on an isolated network to find the IP address of the other system.
If anyone has any pointers, I?d definitely appreciate them.
Same for the software to actually operate it as an X terminal.
-- Chris
3:49 p.m.
New subject: NCD Explora Pro (was Re: NCD19 / Xncd19)
I have a Raspberry Pi 3 with a USB Ethernet dongle
that it???s plugged into,$
You can use ARP for that only after it comes up far enough to get an
address and speak ARP.
If the Pi 3 is anything like the one I had the misfortune to deal with
at work a while back, it's running a Linux with a surprising number of
tools renamed, crippled, or just plain missing. But if it's got
tcpdump, that's the tool I'd normally use for this: connect the NCD to
the Pi (or whatever other machine) with a crossed cable (or possibly
straight, if the machine's Ethernet is auto-X, or whatever else is
necessary, if it's not twisted-pair). Then start tcpdump, as in
tcpdump -n -s 2000 -i wm0
(or whatever the actual interface name is intead of wm0).
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3:54 p.m.
New subject: NCD Explora Pro (was Re: NCD19 / Xncd19)
Chris wrote...
--------
I have a Raspberry Pi 3 with a USB Ethernet dongle that it?s plugged into, but I can?t
remember how to use ARP on an isolated network to find the IP address of the other system.
If anyone has any pointers, I?d definitely appreciate them.
--------
As I recall, ping the broadcast address, then "arp -a".
J
5:25 p.m.
New subject: NCD Explora Pro (was Re: NCD19 / Xncd19)
On 15/11/2016 20:54, Jay West wrote:
Chris wrote... -------- I have a Raspberry Pi 3 with a
USB Ethernet
dongle that it?s plugged into, but I can?t remember how to use ARP on
an isolated network to find the IP address of the other system. If
anyone has any pointers, I?d definitely appreciate them. --------
As I recall, ping the broadcast address, then "arp -a".
That's pretty much it - but it assumes (1) the device is actually using
an IP address, and (2) it's on the same subnet, otherwise ping won't
help. There's a utility called arping (like ping, but for MAC
addresses) but it won't tell you the IP address. The only other
possibility I can think of is if it uses DHCP (or more likely bootp) to
try to get an address, you could snoop on that.
--
Pete
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