Well I had the opposite problem - it took me three goes to get subscribed; the final method (which worked) was to find the list owner's email and go direct :-) I don't know whether the automatic stuff was broken for all or just broken for me (nor, indeed, do I know whether it is fixed). So maybe he's tried and it doesn't work, in which case maybe he'll reply :-) I'd post Jay's email but since he moved just afore Xmas (IIRC) then it may not be too much use. Antonio