All it says is "Echo" and then on the bottom it says "Echo Commander". I did find some links, and I am guessing you are right, this is the IIc version, and doesn't actually go with the card that I got. I found out there were at least IIe, IIgs, Mac, and PC versions, all seem to have slightly different connection methods. I didn't see anything that specifically mentioned a IIc version, but it would make the most sense based on the plug. I'll have to pull out my IIc and give it a try. Do you know, do you *need* the echo box, or will any speaker work? Can I just hook up a set of headphones to the card's "speaker" connection and use it that way? Or is the speaker box part of the system itself (has electronics in it that are used for the speech). Just curious if I should hunt down the box to match my card, or if I can use it without. In the searching, I found reference to a complete set of the disks being posted on the Asimov site, so they should be there, I just haven't gotten as far as looking. Thanks for the help. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>