17 Jun
2020
17 Jun
'20
12:25 p.m.
https://archive.org/details/FarewellEtaoinShrdlu
28min documentary on the last ever edition of the NY Times to be
printed using hot metal -- before they switched to what are now a
quite choice assortment of late-'70s minicomputers. I think I spotted
a PDP, a Data General and some IBM device, but I am no expert in this
era.
As a veteran reader of Fredric Brown, especially "the Enchanted
Linotype", I have been using ETAOIN SHRDLU to win at Hangman for many
years... but I'd never seen one working before. It all still seems
like magic to me. I've worked in the magazine industry so I should
know more about this stuff, but I never worked at the repro end of
things...
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17 Jun
17 Jun
12:58 p.m.
On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 3:26 PM Liam Proven via cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
https://archive.org/details/FarewellEtaoinShrdlu
28min documentary on the last ever edition of the NY Times to be
printed using hot metal -- before they switched to what are now a
quite choice assortment of late-'70s minicomputers. I think I spotted
a PDP, a Data General and some IBM device, but I am no expert in this
era.
As a veteran reader of Fredric Brown, especially "the Enchanted
Linotype", I have been using ETAOIN SHRDLU to win at Hangman for many
years... but I'd never seen one working before. It all still seems
like magic to me. I've worked in the magazine industry so I should
know more about this stuff, but I never worked at the repro end of
things...
Liam,
I rescued a Linotype and gave it to Bob Roswell for his museum in Hunt
Valley, MD USA...should you ever be in the Washington/Baltimore area.
Syssrc.com is the URL and the museum is housed within their consulting and
training facility.
Bill
1:15 p.m.
On Wed, 17 Jun 2020 at 21:59, Bill Degnan <billdegnan at gmail.com> wrote:
Liam,
I rescued a Linotype and gave it to Bob Roswell for his museum in Hunt Valley, MD
USA...should you ever be in the Washington/Baltimore area. Syssrc.com is the URL and the
museum is housed within their consulting and training facility.
Actually, I have a good friend in Baltimore whom I've never met F2G.
We hope to visit each other one of these days. I will try. Thanks!
BTW, I found the Fredric Brown short story:
https://www.you-books.com/book/F-Brown/Etaoin-Shrdlu
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1:26 p.m.
On 6/17/20 12:25 PM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote:
https://archive.org/details/FarewellEtaoinShrdlu
28min documentary on the last ever edition of the NY Times to be
printed using hot metal -- before they switched to what are now a
quite choice assortment of late-'70s minicomputers. I think I spotted
a PDP, a Data General and some IBM device, but I am no expert in this
era.
When I was in college, I went on a weekend trip with a friend to see
where he worked during the summer. It was a print-shop, complete with
both letterpress and offset--and a Linotype ("pot" heated with natural
gas). The local advertising circular was still set with hot type and I
witnessed the operation of that contraption. Noisy and wonderful.
See the Twilight Zone episode "Printer's Devil" for another sample.
I was told that most newspaper pressmen were alcoholics, as it blunted
the effect of the then-toxic inks used in printing.
Anent ETAOIN: Early on in the formation of the CDC spinoff, ETA
Systems, I asked Neil Lincoln what "ETA" stood for. He related the
story of his son and ETAOIN SHRDLU. Back then, the name of the
supercomputer was referred to as the GF-10; later changed to the ETA-10.
(GF standing for GigaFLOP).
--Chuck
2:56 p.m.
Kind of OT:
I recall reading on some health forum that in a certain Japanese paint
factory, workers would put dried paint flakes under their tongues and then
spit them out, a-la homeopathically, to make them impervious to the
chemicals. It is believed to work by sending a signal to the gut "to
prepare for this chemical". Not sure if it would have worked on inks but it
may have.
Justin Goldberg
https://www.linkedin.com/in/justinpaulgoldberg
On Wed, Jun 17, 2020, 4:27 PM Chuck Guzis via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
wrote:
On 6/17/20 12:25 PM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote:
https://archive.org/details/FarewellEtaoinShrdlu
28min documentary on the last ever edition of the NY Times to be
printed using hot metal -- before they switched to what are now a
quite choice assortment of late-'70s minicomputers. I think I spotted
a PDP, a Data General and some IBM device, but I am no expert in this
era.
When I was in college, I went on a weekend trip with a friend to see
where he worked during the summer. It was a print-shop, complete with
both letterpress and offset--and a Linotype ("pot" heated with natural
gas). The local advertising circular was still set with hot type and I
witnessed the operation of that contraption. Noisy and wonderful.
See the Twilight Zone episode "Printer's Devil" for another sample.
I was told that most newspaper pressmen were alcoholics, as it blunted
the effect of the then-toxic inks used in printing.
Anent ETAOIN: Early on in the formation of the CDC spinoff, ETA
Systems, I asked Neil Lincoln what "ETA" stood for. He related the
story of his son and ETAOIN SHRDLU. Back then, the name of the
supercomputer was referred to as the GF-10; later changed to the ETA-10.
(GF standing for GigaFLOP).
--Chuck
7:28 p.m.
And Lincoln had MN license plate ?ETAOIN? on his rusted out Ford van and one of the other
guys in our ?wiz kid? bunch had ?SHRDLU? on his plates.
We later learned that the Eta were some kind of Spanish terrorist group and so Neil liked
that story better? we were going to terrorize the supercomputer world with this ETA-10.
cje
--
Chris Elmquist
On Jun 17, 2020, at 3:28 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
?On 6/17/20 12:25 PM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote:
https://archive.org/details/FarewellEtaoinShrdlu
28min documentary on the last ever edition of the NY Times to be
printed using hot metal -- before they switched to what are now a
quite choice assortment of late-'70s minicomputers. I think I spotted
a PDP, a Data General and some IBM device, but I am no expert in this
era.
When I was in college, I went on a weekend trip with a friend to see
where he worked during the summer. It was a print-shop, complete with
both letterpress and offset--and a Linotype ("pot" heated with natural
gas). The local advertising circular was still set with hot type and I
witnessed the operation of that contraption. Noisy and wonderful.
See the Twilight Zone episode "Printer's Devil" for another sample.
I was told that most newspaper pressmen were alcoholics, as it blunted
the effect of the then-toxic inks used in printing.
Anent ETAOIN: Early on in the formation of the CDC spinoff, ETA
Systems, I asked Neil Lincoln what "ETA" stood for. He related the
story of his son and ETAOIN SHRDLU. Back then, the name of the
supercomputer was referred to as the GF-10; later changed to the ETA-10.
(GF standing for GigaFLOP).
--Chuck
1:27 p.m.
On Jun 17, 2020, at 3:25 PM, Liam Proven via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
https://archive.org/details/FarewellEtaoinShrdlu
28min documentary on the last ever edition of the NY Times to be
printed using hot metal -- before they switched to what are now a
quite choice assortment of late-'70s minicomputers. I think I spotted
a PDP, a Data General and some IBM device, but I am no expert in this
era.
As a veteran reader of Fredric Brown, especially "the Enchanted
Linotype", I have been using ETAOIN SHRDLU to win at Hangman for many
years... but I'd never seen one working before. It all still seems
like magic to me.
They should be fairly easy to find in printing musea.
There is a pretty detailed description on Wikipedia, with a number of diagrams and photos
from a Linotype handbook published by the company in the 1940s. It also has links to a
pair of training movies that show, section by section, how one of these machines works.
Actually, it shows the Intertype, but that's just a Linotype clone made by a
lesser-known competitor.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linotype_machine#External_links
Look for "Typesetting: Linotype vocational instruction film".
paul
19 Jun
19 Jun
10:40 a.m.
On 6/17/20 1:27 PM, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote:
A friend of mine who was in Seattle collected this stuff. He had a
couple Linotype/Intertype machines, a press, and lots and lots of
magazines of type. It was set up in his garage and he would give demos
of it in action. It was interesting how it worked. Unfortunately, he had
to move out of the area for work and moving that stuff to another state
was not feasible, so another local collector got it all.
There was another documentary on them, Linotype: The Film
(https://linotypefilm.com).
alan
On Jun 17, 2020, at 3:25 PM, Liam Proven via
cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
https://archive.org/details/FarewellEtaoinShrdlu
28min documentary on the last ever edition of the NY Times to be
printed using hot metal -- before they switched to what are now a
quite choice assortment of late-'70s minicomputers. I think I spotted
a PDP, a Data General and some IBM device, but I am no expert in this
era.
As a veteran reader of Fredric Brown, especially "the Enchanted
Linotype", I have been using ETAOIN SHRDLU to win at Hangman for many
years... but I'd never seen one working before. It all still seems
like magic to me.
They should be fairly easy to find in printing musea.
11:06 a.m.
New subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Farewell Etaoin Shrdlu
We have a working Linotype at the System Source Computer Museum in Hunt Valley Maryland.
Open now only by appointment with a maximum of two masked visitors due to COVID
https://museum.syssrc.com
Bob Roswell
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From: cctalk <cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org> On Behalf Of Alan Perry via cctalk
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2020 1:41 PM
To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Farewell Etaoin Shrdlu
On 6/17/20 1:27 PM, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote:
A friend of mine who was in Seattle collected this stuff. He had a couple
Linotype/Intertype machines, a press, and lots and lots of magazines of type. It was set
up in his garage and he would give demos of it in action. It was interesting how it
worked. Unfortunately, he had to move out of the area for work and moving that stuff to
another state was not feasible, so another local collector got it all.
There was another documentary on them, Linotype: The Film (https://linotypefilm.com).
alan
On Jun 17, 2020, at 3:25 PM, Liam Proven via
cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
https://archive.org/details/FarewellEtaoinShrdlu
28min documentary on the last ever edition of the NY Times to be
printed using hot metal -- before they switched to what are now a
quite choice assortment of late-'70s minicomputers. I think I spotted
a PDP, a Data General and some IBM device, but I am no expert in this
era.
As a veteran reader of Fredric Brown, especially "the Enchanted
Linotype", I have been using ETAOIN SHRDLU to win at Hangman for many
years... but I'd never seen one working before. It all still seems
like magic to me.
They should be fairly easy to find in printing musea.
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