25 Sep
2013
25 Sep
'13
7:13 p.m.
something that turned up in some Terak floppies I read
http://bitsavers.org/bits/Terak/set3/LSIWCS.jpg
LSI-11 microassembler and debugging tools, appears to be RT-11 format.
25 Sep
25 Sep
7:49 p.m.
On Sep 25, 2013, at 4:13 PM, Al Kossow <aek at bitsavers.org> wrote:
something that turned up in some Terak floppies I
read
http://bitsavers.org/bits/Terak/set3/LSIWCS.jpg
LSI-11 microassembler and debugging tools, appears to be RT-11 format.
*very* cool! When can I get a copy? ;-)
TTFN - Guy
7:57 p.m.
On 9/25/13 4:49 PM, Guy Sotomayor wrote:
On Sep 25, 2013, at 4:13 PM, Al Kossow <aek at bitsavers.org> wrote:
look in http://bitsavers.org/bits/Terak/set3/
something that turned up in some Terak floppies I
read
http://bitsavers.org/bits/Terak/set3/LSIWCS.jpg
LSI-11 microassembler and debugging tools, appears to be RT-11 format.
*very* cool! When can I get a copy? ;-)
TTFN - Guy
8:01 p.m.
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 7:13 PM, Al Kossow <aek at bitsavers.org> wrote:
something that turned up in some Terak floppies I
read
http://bitsavers.org/bits/Terak/set3/LSIWCS.jpg
LSI-11 microassembler and debugging tools, appears to be RT-11 format.
Wow. It begs the question of what instructions need to be hacked...
-ethan
10:13 p.m.
On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 11:55 AM, Bob Armstrong <bob at jfcl.com> wrote:
Actually, what I want is to turn my 11/03 into a
Pascal MicroEngine!!
My thought too, is it simply a matter of loading it and feeding it the
bootable diskettes? I assume changes would be needed at some level for
device hardware compatibility.
Has the Microengine microcode been found? or extracted from the ROMs?
26 Sep
26 Sep
12:06 a.m.
On 9/25/13 7:13 PM, Nigel Williams wrote:
On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 11:55 AM, Bob Armstrong
<bob at jfcl.com> wrote:
it's more complicated than that. You need the PLA information as well.
probably easier to find a PDQ-3
http://bitsavers.org/pdf/advancedComputerDesign
Actually, what I want is to turn my 11/03 into
a Pascal MicroEngine!!
My thought too, is it simply a matter of loading it and feeding it the
bootable diskettes? I assume changes would be needed at some level for
device hardware compatibility.
Has the Microengine microcode been found? or extracted from the ROMs?
12:40 p.m.
Al Kossow (aek at bitsavers.org) wrote:
it's more complicated than that. You need the PLA information as well.
I'm sure it's more complicated than that :-)
Which PLA where? Is that in one of the Western Digital 1600 family chips?
I thought the WD chipset was basically an ALU chip, a timing and control
chip, and one or more microcode ROM chips.
Bob
28 Sep
28 Sep
4:17 p.m.
On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 10:40 AM, Bob Armstrong <bob at jfcl.com> wrote:
The "control" chip (CP1621 or CP2161) has a PLA that is specific to the
microcode set. Possibly the LSI-11 and WD16 (as used in the Alpha Micro
AM100) might share the same PLA pattern, but the Pascal Microengine almost
certainly does not.
Al Kossow (aek
at bitsavers.org) wrote:
it's more complicated than that. You need the PLA information as well.
I'm sure it's more complicated than that :-)
Which PLA where? Is that in one of the Western Digital 1600 family
chips?
26 Sep
26 Sep
1:02 p.m.
Al Kossow (aek at bitsavers.org)
probably easier to find a PDQ-3
http://bitsavers.org/pdf/advancedComputerDesign
I'd never heard of this one before. It looks like they built a QBUS CPU
card using the MicroEngine chipset, and it works with standard QBUS
peripherals. It doesn't seem to have much in common with an 11/03, though,
other than that it's QBUS and quad width. I suppose you could pull the CPU
card out of an LSI-11 system and plug one of these in - that'd be
interesting.
I don't think it's going to be easy to find one, though!
Bob
28 Sep
28 Sep
4:29 p.m.
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 7:55 PM, Bob Armstrong <bob at jfcl.com> wrote:
Actually, what I want is to turn my 11/03 into a
Pascal MicroEngine!!
That would be a huge amount of work. The "system control lines" from the
control chip are used very differently in the WD9000 chipset vs. the LSI-11
chipset. It would be easier to just build a Microengine from scratch.
25 Sep
25 Sep
10:07 p.m.
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 04:13:39PM -0700, Al Kossow wrote:
something that turned up in some Terak floppies I read
http://bitsavers.org/bits/Terak/set3/LSIWCS.jpg
LSI-11 microassembler and debugging tools, appears to be RT-11 format.
Score!!!! Nice going! And yes it's normal RT-11 format.
Oh man it's tempting to get even more sidetracked for the next E11 release.
On a related note, does anyone have the 11/60 WCS toys in captivity?
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