22 Feb
2003
22 Feb
'03
2:07 p.m.
Sellam,
You have it reversed again...
The only reason Cuba has economic sanctions is because
Castro refuses to step down, and allow the Democratic
Government that his people want.
Also, that Cuba supports and funds a lot of South
American Terrorism.
Just like Iraq, it is totally in Castro's power to
make life better for his people. Just step down and
let them vote for a new leader.
Again, you blame police for the crime, rather than the
criminals.
Actually, the only reason Cuba is worse off with
Castro is because the US continues to economically
sanction Cuba because our government doesn't agree
with Castro's politics.
I'm not saying everything the US does is stupid, but
a lot of the things that the US does is stupid.
I would agree with that, but this isn't one of them.
Personally, I would like to see the sanctions lifted
as they don't seem to make a difference to Castro. He
is determined to stay in power anyway.
The only good thing is he will probably be too sick to
lead, or dead within 10 years, and probably at that
point the sanctions will be lifted.
A lot of mistakes were made in the U.S.'s policies
towards Cuba. And its' handling of the situation. No
doubt about that.
But hindsight is ALWAYS 20/20.
Al
22 Feb
22 Feb
3:03 p.m.
On 22 Feb 2003, , Al Hartman wrote:
It is precisely because he did make life
better for his
people that the US olligarchy is so enraged by him.
> Again, you blame police for the crime, rather than the
> criminals.
Who appointed the US as the police of the
world ?
And of course if the world doesn't agree, then as
Dubya says they are irrevellent (NATO and the UN).
Sounds a lot to me like outlaw logic. Just as Israel
has defied virtually every resolution of the UN.
> > Actually, the only reason Cuba is worse off with
> > Castro is because the US continues to economically
> > sanction Cuba because our government doesn't agree
> > with Castro's politics.
> > > I'm not saying everything the US
does is stupid, but
> > a lot of the things that the US does is stupid.
> I would agree with that, but this
isn't one of them.
> Personally, I would like to see the
sanctions lifted
> as they don't seem to make a difference to Castro. He
> is determined to stay in power anyway.
> The only good thing is he will probably be
too sick to
> lead, or dead within 10 years, and probably at that
> point the sanctions will be lifted.
> A lot of mistakes were made in the
U.S.'s policies
> towards Cuba. And its' handling of the situation. No
> doubt about that.
Amen Brother. And Fidel still loves baseball.
> But hindsight is ALWAYS 20/20.
> Al
But attempting to sway your mind is like trying to sway
Goerring who after many defeats still loved Hitler.
Oh well, why bother.
Lawrence
lgwalker@ mts.net
Sellam,
You have it reversed again...
The only reason Cuba has economic sanctions is because
Castro refuses to step down,( and allow the Democratic
Government that his people want.) and allow the "democratic"
regime the
US government wants. Hardship because of
US sanctions or not, the cuban people remember the
years of the Batista government and his Mafia cronies
supported by US monied interests, and don't want to give
up their hardwon freedoms to allow the"Gusanos"(worms)
who fled to Florida with their money to be reinstalled in
power. To my knowledge Cubans have a literacy rate now
surpassing the US. If they really wanted a change of
government you can believe that the state department
could have achieved that with all their experience in
replacing unfavored Latin American regimes.
Also, that Cuba supports and funds a lot of South
American Terrorism.
Terrorism is now the Bush administrations term for
freedom fighters who don't accept pro-US oppressive
regimes.
Just like Iraq, it is totally in Castro's power to
make life better for his people. Just step down and
( let them vote for a new leader.) accept a leader bought
and paid for, and our
massive PR abilities and money can
do the rest.
23 Feb
23 Feb
8:53 a.m.
New subject: Cuba
Lawrence Walker wrote:
regime the US government wants. Hardship because of
US sanctions or not, the cuban people remember the
years of the Batista government and his Mafia cronies
supported by US monied interests, and don't want to give
up their hard won freedoms
Hard won freedoms??? What freedoms to you think the Cubans have? It's
a poor communist country!
to allow the"Gusanos"(worms)
who fled to Florida with their money to be reinstalled
in
power.
Money? What money? My grandparents couldn't even bring there wedding
rings with them when they came to the US!! They had a small suitcase
with some clothes, thats it!
Chad Fernandez
Michigan, USA
11:13 a.m.
New subject: Cuba
I've kept quite through this entire discussion but now I have to speak up. I have
to agree with Chad on this one. I live in Florida and I personally know dozens if not
hundreds of people who fled Cuba including two of my door neighbors. Most of them
didn't even have a suitcase of clothes much less ANY money. I don't know who's
been telling you otherwise but they're lying through their teeth! Where the hell do
you get your news from? Havana? You should come to Florida and talk to some of these
people. They don't risk their very lives crossing 100+ miles of shark infested ocean
hauling money out of Cuba. Not a single one of the Cubans that I know are rich. Most of
them would be probably be considered poor by our standards. They're just happy to be
out of Cuba and in a (relatively) free country.
Joe
At 05:42 PM 2/23/03 -0500, you wrote:
Lawrence Walker wrote:
regime the US government wants. Hardship because
of
US sanctions or not, the cuban people remember the
years of the Batista government and his Mafia cronies
supported by US monied interests, and don't want to give
up their hard won freedoms
Hard won freedoms??? What freedoms to you think the Cubans have? It's
a poor communist country!
to allow the"Gusanos"(worms)
who fled to Florida with their money to be
reinstalled in
power.
Money? What money? My grandparents couldn't even bring there wedding
rings with them when they came to the US!! They had a small suitcase
with some clothes, thats it!
Chad Fernandez
Michigan, USA 
22 Feb
22 Feb
3:49 p.m.
On Sat, 22 Feb 2003, Al Hartman wrote:
Ok, then what would you say are things the US have done that are stupid?
You have it reversed again...
Al, you have your head up your ass as usual.
The only reason Cuba has economic sanctions is because
Castro refuses to
step down, and allow the Democratic Government that his people want.
The only reason the Cubans are suffering is because of an economic embargo
that prevents Cuba from having a normal economy. Why do you believe
Castro should step down because the US does not like him? This is not
rhetorical. I want an answer since you seem to think you're such a
geopolitical genius.
Also, that Cuba supports and funds a lot of South
American Terrorism.
Oh, fuck, are you for real!? Will you not agree that the United States
trained and funded death squads in many South and central American
countries? I want an answer.
Just like Iraq, it is totally in Castro's power to
make life better for
his people. Just step down and let them vote for a new leader.
I would sooner have Bush step down so that our economy can get back on
track and make life better for Americans, with a side effect being that
creatures like you can crawl back into the smelly little holes from
whence you came. This administration is ensuring that no American will be
safe outside our borders for a long time to come, let alone inside our own
borders! Tell me why you disagree so I can rip your argument to shreds.
Again, you blame police for the crime, rather than the
criminals.
Actually, I blame our deteriorating educational system for allowing people
with your severely limited level of critical thinking skills to exist in
America in large, scary numbers.
I'm not
saying everything the US does is stupid, but
a lot of the things that the US does is stupid.
I would agree with that, but this isn't one of them. A lot of mistakes were made in the U.S.'s policies
towards Cuba. And
its' handling of the situation. No doubt about that.
Wow, you mean the US is *not* perfect after all? This is quite a turn
around from a couple messages ago.
But hindsight is ALWAYS 20/20.
And stupidity is a constant.
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