14 Oct
2005
14 Oct
'05
11:50 a.m.
All:
There was a discussion a while ago about IBM killing OS/2 and
why shouldn't they release it under some sort of GNU-like license.
Well, I think I confirmed an answer. There is an interview in
the October 12th issue of PC Magazine between Mike Miller of PC Magazine and
Bill Gates, celebrating the 20th Anniversary of Windows. The interview
question is talking about the memory management of Windows compared to OS/2
and how Lee Reiswig (former IBM GM) was crashing Windows in OS/2
demonstrations in the early-'90s.
Bill Gates continues, "It's all very ironic, because it's most
of the OS/2 code is still our code and we're still selling LAN Manager.
Whenever we'd go out and criticize OS/2, that group {within Microsoft} would
say 'we just took more friendly fire.'"
There's the answer as to why IBM cannot release OS/2. I know we
alluded to this fact in the original thread but this is the most positive
confirmation I've seen.
Rich
14 Oct
14 Oct
1:01 p.m.
Lee Reiswig (former IBM GM) was crashing Windows in
OS/2
demonstrations in the early-'90s.
Since you mention Reiswig I thought I'd chime in and say that I admire
the guy still for his having made an apparance on the Chiefet/Kildall TV
show "Computer Chronicles", showing OS/2 directly himself without an
assistant and doing a fair job IIRC. This was pretty amazing to me
because Chronicles was pretty much a showcase for 10-100 person
companies' products, and to see this VP make an appearance there
was both good for IBM and the show IMHO.
John A.
2:54 p.m.
Lee Reiswig
(former IBM GM) was crashing Windows in OS/2
demonstrations in the early-'90s.
Since you mention Reiswig I thought I'd chime in and say that I admire
the guy still for his having made an apparance on the Chiefet/Kildall TV
show "Computer Chronicles", showing OS/2 directly himself without an
assistant and doing a fair job IIRC. This was pretty amazing to me
because Chronicles was pretty much a showcase for 10-100 person
companies' products, and to see this VP make an appearance there
was both good for IBM and the show IMHO.
3:59 p.m.
Which episode?
Ask Google:
Ask Prelinger Archive:
Answer:
1988: "Multitasking"
"As operating systems grew more robust, one of the key
new features was the ability to multitask, run several
applications at the same time. This program looks at
some new approaches including Concurrent DOS from
Digital Research, Windows 386 from Microsoft, IBM's OS/2,
Apple's A/UX, and Tandy's Xenix..."
http://www.archive.org/details/CC518_multitasking
I'd like to see that.
Me too. Somebody make a disk of this Quick!
John A.
16 Oct
16 Oct
7:18 p.m.
New subject: Apple III CP/M Card by Microsoft - 1982
eBay
5819807276
There was some interest in such Apple add-in cpu cards latelybut I don't
have the htread.
Gil
7:24 p.m.
New subject: Another strange Apple artifact
Apple /// Slot Machine
Front Glass Panel
In the early 80s some Las Vegas slots paid a top prize of an Apple III
System.
No kidding!
Here is a glass panel from one of them
It measures about 23 X 11
It has a nice baroque gold frame
A fantastic Apple artifact. Painted on glass!
EbAY ITEM # 2757124365
Gil
17 Oct
17 Oct
11:35 a.m.
New subject: Another strange Apple artifact
On 10/16/05, Gil Carrick <gilcarrick at comcast.net> wrote:
Apple /// Slot Machine
Front Glass Panel
In the early 80s some Las Vegas slots paid a top prize of an Apple III
System.
No kidding!
Here is a glass panel from one of them
It measures about 23 X 11
It has a nice baroque gold frame
A fantastic Apple artifact. Painted on glass!
EbAY ITEM # 2757124365
Gil
He's had that item up for a long time now (I'm thinking years,
here...). That seller always has a great "pile" to pick through, but
his prices are generally too high for my tastes.
- Mike
6:38 p.m.
New subject: Another strange Apple artifact
On Mon, 17 Oct 2005, Mike Maginnis wrote:
On 10/16/05, Gil Carrick <gilcarrick at
comcast.net> wrote:
It's worth adding that the seller (John) is a terrifically fantastic guy
and is very nice to his customers. I've dealt with him on a few occasions
and he's always been just a pleasure to deal with.
--
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
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Apple /// Slot Machine
Front Glass Panel
In the early 80s some Las Vegas slots paid a top prize of an Apple III
System.
No kidding!
Here is a glass panel from one of them
It measures about 23 X 11
It has a nice baroque gold frame
A fantastic Apple artifact. Painted on glass!
EbAY ITEM # 2757124365
Gil
He's had that item up for a long time now (I'm thinking years,
here...). That seller always has a great "pile" to pick through, but
his prices are generally too high for my tastes. 
9:22 p.m.
New subject: Another strange Apple artifact
Gordon JC Pearce wrote:
Vintage Computer Festival wrote:
Most machines that pay over 200 to 500 $ or tokens require that the
attendant
pay out the jackpot, so you'd be accompanied to the bank, and probably given
a choice of the computer or the $$, which is how most promotions work.
If you turned down the computer, then they'ed give the coupon to someone
else.
>> In the early 80s some Las Vegas slots
paid a top prize of an Apple III
>> System.
>
Was that really true? And if it is, how on earth did it work? Did
you win a token or something?
Gordon.
18 Oct
18 Oct
10:20 a.m.
New subject: Another strange Apple artifact
On 10/17/05, Vintage Computer Festival <vcf at siconic.com> wrote:
On Mon, 17 Oct 2005, Mike Maginnis wrote:
I should have qualified that. On the items I have bought from him,
I've had zero problems. Sellam is right, he's a great seller.
- Mike
On 10/16/05, Gil Carrick <gilcarrick at
comcast.net> wrote:
It's worth adding that the seller (John) is a terrifically fantastic guy
and is very nice to his customers. I've dealt with him on a few occasions
and he's always been just a pleasure to deal with.
--
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org
[ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ]
[ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ]
Apple /// Slot Machine
Front Glass Panel
In the early 80s some Las Vegas slots paid a top prize of an Apple III
System.
No kidding!
Here is a glass panel from one of them
It measures about 23 X 11
It has a nice baroque gold frame
A fantastic Apple artifact. Painted on glass!
EbAY ITEM # 2757124365
Gil
He's had that item up for a long time now (I'm thinking years,
here...). That seller always has a great "pile" to pick through, but
his prices are generally too high for my tastes.
16 Oct
16 Oct
10:54 p.m.
There were 4 versions at different compression formats. I downloaded a
couple. I could download the others & write a CD if somebody needed it.
Gil
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Subject: Re: Releasing OS/2
Which episode?
Ask Google:
Ask Prelinger Archive:
Answer:
1988: "Multitasking"
"As operating systems grew more robust, one of the key
new features was the ability to multitask, run several
applications at the same time. This program looks at
some new approaches including Concurrent DOS from
Digital Research, Windows 386 from Microsoft, IBM's OS/2,
Apple's A/UX, and Tandy's Xenix..."
http://www.archive.org/details/CC518_multitasking
I'd like to see that.
Me too. Somebody make a disk of this Quick!
John A. 
14 Oct
14 Oct
1:18 p.m.
Cini, Richard wrote:
Bill Gates continues, "It's all very ironic, because it's most
of the OS/2 code is still our code and we're still selling LAN Manager.
Whenever we'd go out and criticize OS/2, that group {within Microsoft} would
say 'we just took more friendly fire.'"
There's the answer as to why IBM cannot release OS/2. I know we
alluded to this fact in the original thread but this is the most positive
confirmation I've seen.
I disaggree on the argument. M$ contributed no 32-bit code to OS/2 as
far as I can tell. IMO it is the 32-bit code that made OS/2 superior to
Windows. BTW, OS/2 has some features that are not available on any other
OS, such as the immense flexibility of running DOS programs. One can
even write special device drivers that emulate a device in a virtual DOS
machine. There are many settings available for VDMs and features like
detecting polling loops to prevent waisting time I have never seen before.
Check out "The design of OS/2"
Bert
1:05 p.m.
On 10/14/2005 at 6:18 PM Bert Thomas wrote:
I disaggree on the argument. M$ contributed no 32-bit
code to OS/2 as
far as I can tell. IMO it is the 32-bit code that made OS/2 superior to
Windows. BTW, OS/2 has some features that are not available on any other
OS, such as the immense flexibility of running DOS programs. One can
even write special device drivers that emulate a device in a virtual DOS
machine. There are many settings available for VDMs and features like
detecting polling loops to prevent waisting time I have never seen before.
I'll also add that there's no way that Microsoft could have written the
programmer's documentation for OS/2! It's clean and coherent--not a
trademark of Microsoft, IMOHO.
Cheers,
Chuck
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