30 Nov
2004
30 Nov
'04
1:19 p.m.
anyone have the DOS version of Empire, Nethack (an older version that
does not need dpmi),
I had a DOS version of tetris too (using regular characters in 40 char
mode) so I am looking
for that too.
Any websites that provide old DOS programs for download?
Thanks!
30 Nov
30 Nov
1:27 p.m.
anyone have the DOS version of Empire, Nethack (an
older version that
does not need dpmi), I had a DOS version of tetris too (using regular
characters in 40 char mode) so I am looking for that too.
Well, I don't know about Empire or nethack, but I know NetBSD comes
with a character-mode tetris which quite likely would require minimal
work to adapt to DOS use.
Or are you specifically looking for "classic" software here?
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1:57 p.m.
On Nov 30, 2004, at 7:27 PM, der Mouse wrote:
Actually, you may have to go through some gyrations to get a unix/linux
console
application to compile under DOS.
I am trying to re-create the DOS environment of my youth. :^)
anyone have
the DOS version of Empire, Nethack (an older version that
does not need dpmi), I had a DOS version of tetris too (using regular
characters in 40 char mode) so I am looking for that too.
Well, I don't know about Empire or nethack, but I know NetBSD comes
with a character-mode tetris which quite likely would require minimal
work to adapt to DOS use.
Or are you specifically looking for "classic" software here?
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2:17 p.m.
> Well, I don't know about Empire or nethack,
but I know NetBSD comes
> with a character-mode tetris which quite likely would require
> minimal work to adapt to DOS use.
> Or are you specifically looking for
"classic" software here?
Actually, you may have to go through some gyrations to
get a
unix/linux console application to compile under DOS.
May. I suspect this would be one of the easier cases, but that's
admittedly coming from someone who hasn't tried it.
Even if it isn't, tetris is not a difficult game to write. I believe I
could even do it in x86 assembly; given timer and keyboard input hooks
(interrupts handlers, they'd have to be, under DOS), there isn't really
anything difficult.
I am trying to re-create the DOS environment of my
youth. :^)
Ah yes, trying to recapture halcyon days gone by....
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2:42 p.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Hudson" <ron.hudson(a)sbcglobal.net>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
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Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 10:57 PM
Subject: Re: Old Dos Programs
On Nov 30, 2004, at 7:27 PM, der Mouse wrote:
Actually, you may have to go through some gyrations to get a unix/linux
console
application to compile under DOS.
I am trying to re-create the DOS environment of my youth. :^)
try www.dosgames.com
and http://www.the-underdogs.org/index.php
anyone
have the DOS version of Empire, Nethack (an older version that
does not need dpmi), I had a DOS version of tetris too (using regular
characters in 40 char mode) so I am looking for that too.
Well, I don't know about Empire or nethack, but I know NetBSD comes
with a character-mode tetris which quite likely would require minimal
work to adapt to DOS use.
Or are you specifically looking for "classic" software here? 
4:46 p.m.
On Nov 30, 2004, at 8:57 PM, David V. Corbin wrote:
My actual youth was spent in the time of the homebrew computer club,
and s100 bus
and cpm. But my first machine with a hard disk drive was a PC
(televideo with 20mb
monitor and tower together)
>>> I
am trying to re-create the DOS environment of my youth. :^)
Ahh to be young enough to consider DOS (on a peecee) a "youthful"
experience....My goal is to get a complete TSS/8 system up and
running! Now
those were the days!!!
7:53 p.m.
David V. Corbin wrote:
How would one go about getting the actual TSS/8 OS?
Gordon.
>>>I
am trying to re-create the DOS environment of my youth. :^)
Ahh to be young enough to consider DOS (on a peecee) a "youthful"
experience....My goal is to get a complete TSS/8 system up and running! Now
those were the days!!!
2 Dec
2 Dec
1:48 p.m.
Actually, you may have to go through some gyrations to
get a unix/linux
console application to compile under DOS.
Some stuff might go, perhaps... it has to be somewhat simplistic, of
course. Infocom's DOS stuff relied on NANSI.SYS, IIRC, as opposed to
the ordinary text-based screen control code interpreter ANSI.SYS.
That might help some. Plus, I'm fairly sure that there's a curses
library for DOS. I remember porting a number of curses-based games
from comp.sources.games and comp.sources.unix, to VMS,
c. 1992...
surely DOS couldn't be that much harder.
I am trying to re-create the DOS environment of my
youth. :^)
I've had good experiences with 'dosbox' - I was playing 'XCOM' a few
months ago on a Linux system. The DOS version of the game played fine
with a couple of quirks, but nothing that kept me from playing it.
Cheers,
-ethan
5 Dec
5 Dec
9:05 a.m.
Ethan Dicks wrote:
Some stuff might go, perhaps... it has to be somewhat
simplistic, of
course. Infocom's DOS stuff relied on NANSI.SYS, IIRC, as opposed to
Since Infocom's DOS stuff was released half a decade before NANSI existed, this
is false. Regular ANSI.SYS was used if you wanted color; otherwise it was just
monochrome.
I've had good experiences with 'dosbox' -
I was playing 'XCOM' a few
months ago on a Linux system. The DOS version of the game played fine
with a couple of quirks, but nothing that kept me from playing it.
DOSBOX has come a long, long way and is fantastic for playing the majority of
older DOS games. Video and sound are nearly fully emulated.
(dosbox.sourceforge.net for those who don't know what the link is)
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30 Nov
30 Nov
10:33 p.m.
At 10:27 PM 11/30/04 -0500, you wrote:
> anyone have the DOS version of Empire, Nethack (an
older version that
> does not need dpmi), I had a DOS version of tetris too (using regular
> characters in 40 char mode) so I am looking for that too.
There were at least a couple of versions of tetris that ran in text mode.
From memory the Spectrum Holobyte release included a
tiny text mode version
(~8kb .com file) along with the graphic version. The others
were probably
PD/shareware and weren't
actually called tetris.
I should have an old enough version of Nethack somewhere. I remember it
included instructions for running it on non-PC MS-DOS machines and a
premade config file for DEC Rainbows. I got it running on a Wang
Professional, but I usually played it on a PC.
1 Dec
1 Dec
2:56 a.m.
On Dec 1, 2004, at 4:33 AM, Dr. Ido wrote:
At 10:27 PM 11/30/04 -0500, you wrote:
That would be awsome! I found (late last night) two console versions
of tetris, one is the one I remember, the other is new. Want copies?
> anyone have the DOS version of Empire,
Nethack (an older version that
> does not need dpmi), I had a DOS version of tetris too (using regular
> characters in 40 char mode) so I am looking for that too.
There were at least a couple of versions of tetris that ran in text
mode.
From memory the Spectrum Holobyte release
included a tiny text mode
version
(~8kb .com file) along with the graphic version. The others were
probably
PD/shareware and weren't
actually called tetris.
I should have an old enough version of Nethack somewhere. I remember
it
included instructions for running it on non-PC MS-DOS machines and a
premade config file for DEC Rainbows. I got it running on a Wang
Professional, but I usually played it on a PC.
5 Dec
5 Dec
8:58 a.m.
Dr. Ido wrote:
There were at least a couple of versions of tetris
that ran in text mode.
The original Tetris was 40-column text mode, MS-DOS. underdogs should have it
(www.the-underdogs.org).
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From memory the Spectrum Holobyte release included
a tiny text mode version
(~8kb .com file) along with the graphic version. The
others were probably
PD/shareware and weren't
actually called tetris. 
30 Nov
30 Nov
5:11 p.m.
On Tue, 30 Nov 2004, Ron Hudson wrote:
anyone have the DOS version of Empire, Nethack (an
older version that
does not need dpmi),
I had a DOS version of tetris too (using regular characters in 40 char
mode) so I am looking
for that too.
Any websites that provide old DOS programs for download?
Ron,
I can't stand it anymore.
Have you ever heard of a thing called GOOGLE?
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1 Dec
2:47 a.m.
On Nov 30, 2004, at 11:11 PM, Vintage Computer Festival wrote:
On Tue, 30 Nov 2004, Ron Hudson wrote:
Thank you for your self control
anyone have the DOS version of Empire, Nethack
(an older version that
does not need dpmi),
I had a DOS version of tetris too (using regular characters in 40 char
mode) so I am looking
for that too.
Any websites that provide old DOS programs for download?
Ron,
I can't stand it anymore.
Have you ever heard of a thing called GOOGLE?
Yes Sellam, I have. You may assume that I have tried GOOGLE any
time I come to the list with a question. In the case of the programs
mentioned above Google only returns versions for more modern systems
that run windows 95+
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4:18 a.m.
On Wed, 1 Dec 2004, Ron Hudson wrote:
Don't take this the wrong way but perhaps you need to learn to use Google
a bit better? Try reading their search help, which contains lots of great
information on improving your search results (and which has helped me find
just what I want to usually):
http://www.google.com/help/basics.html
...or use their advanced search feature:
http://www.google.com/advanced_search?hl=en
The list is a terrific biological encyclopedia of everything but some
questions can be better answered elsewhere ;)
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Have you ever
heard of a thing called GOOGLE?
Yes Sellam, I have. You may assume that I have tried GOOGLE any
time I come to the list with a question. In the case of the programs
mentioned above Google only returns versions for more modern systems
that run windows 95+ 
3:23 a.m.
On Tue, 2004-11-30 at 23:11 -0800, Vintage Computer Festival wrote:
On Tue, 30 Nov 2004, Ron Hudson wrote:
http://www.fuckinggoogleit.com/ can be a useful resource ;)
Note, I have *no problem* with people asking questions that it may be
possible to answer via google (or other means).
It keeps the list alive and of course people usually dispense valuable
related knowledge at the same time as answering a specific question -
the sort of knowledge that comes from first-hand experience which
wouldn't always be gained from a google search...
For on-topic stuff, in (nearly?) all cases I'd trust opinions from this
list over anything returned via google...
cheers
J.
anyone have the DOS version of Empire, Nethack
(an older version that
does not need dpmi),
I had a DOS version of tetris too (using regular characters in 40 char
mode) so I am looking
for that too.
Any websites that provide old DOS programs for download?
Ron,
I can't stand it anymore.
Have you ever heard of a thing called GOOGLE? 
30 Nov
30 Nov
6:19 p.m.
http://www.the-underdogs.org/
they even have the original leisure suit larry, and also the venerable
"alley-cat"
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From: "Ron Hudson" <ron.hudson(a)sbcglobal.net>
To: "Classic Computers" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 3:19 AM
Subject: Old Dos Programs
anyone have the DOS version of Empire, Nethack (an older version that does
not need dpmi),
I had a DOS version of tetris too (using regular characters in 40 char
mode) so I am looking
for that too.
Any websites that provide old DOS programs for download?
Thanks!
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4 Dec
4 Dec
4:10 p.m.
I learned VI before I even knew what VI was thanks to Hack, the port done by
Don Kneller in 1985. I was about 14 at the time and to this day I consider it
my favorite game of all time. I can email it to you if you like, I just played
it last month on my IBM Model 5150 :-)
Ron Hudson wrote:
anyone have the DOS version of Empire, Nethack (an older version that
does not need dpmi),
I had a DOS version of tetris too (using regular characters in 40 char
mode) so I am looking
for that too.
Any websites that provide old DOS programs for download?
Thanks!
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5 Dec
5 Dec
1:11 a.m.
On Dec 4, 2004, at 10:10 PM, Jim Leonard wrote:
I learned VI before I even knew what VI was thanks to
Hack, the port
done by Don Kneller in 1985. I was about 14 at the time and to this
day I consider it my favorite game of all time. I can email it to you
if you like, I just played it last month on my IBM Model 5150 :-)
Thanks! I have found a copy of nethack that works, and It's pretty
recent too. Is there some
difference between DOS 6.20 and DOS 6.22 with regard to COFF files? If
it would be easy to
email it, please do, even though I have the one an older version may be
interesting.
Has anyone seen this: it was a 40x25 character based dungeon crawl type
game, a lot like
Gauntlet. Your icon was a happyface with a <^>v to indicate direction.
4 players each get
a set of keys (4 people crowded around 1 keyboard). I don't think it
was called gauntlet...
I had a copy once upon a time... I suppose I will have to write it :^)
my self.
Ron Hudson wrote:
anyone have the DOS version of Empire, Nethack
(an older version that
does not need dpmi),
I had a DOS version of tetris too (using regular characters in 40
char mode) so I am looking
for that too.
Any websites that provide old DOS programs for download?
Thanks!
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Want to help an ambitious games project?
http://www.mobygames.com/
Or check out some trippy MindCandy at
http://www.mindcandydvd.com/
11 Dec
11 Dec
6:48 a.m.
Ron Hudson wrote:
Has anyone seen this: it was a 40x25 character based
dungeon crawl type
game, a lot like
Gauntlet. Your icon was a happyface with a <^>v to indicate direction. 4
players each get
a set of keys (4 people crowded around 1 keyboard). I don't think it was
called gauntlet...
Reminds me of Snipes ( http://www.mobygames.com/game/sheet/p,2/gameId,15288/ )
I'll email you the game off-list.
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12 Dec
12 Dec
8:51 a.m.
Has anyone
seen this: it was a 40x25 character based dungeon crawl type
game, a lot like
Gauntlet. Your icon was a happyface with a <^>v to indicate direction. 4
players each get
a set of keys (4 people crowded around 1 keyboard). I don't think it was
called gauntlet...
Reminds me of Snipes ( http://www.mobygames.com/game/sheet/p,2/gameId,15288/ )
I'll email you the game off-list. 
10:09 a.m.
New subject: Classics in Dec-2004 Byte
There's a two page spread in Byte showing the
(eBay)(cough) prices of some really old commputing
things, this months issue.
A Univac reel tape was about the newest thing there.
Sorta interesting, if choked with commerciality.
John A.
12:31 p.m.
New subject: Classics in Dec-2004 Byte
On Sun, 12 Dec 2004, John Allain wrote:
There's a two page spread in Byte showing the
(eBay)(cough) prices of some really old commputing
things, this months issue.
I thought they stopped printing Byte years ago?
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12:49 p.m.
New subject: Classics in Dec-2004 ( Wired <<<< )
There's a two page spread in Wired showing the
(eBay)(cough) prices of some really old commputing
things, this months issue.
A Univac reel tape was about the newest thing there.
Sorta interesting, if choked with commerciality.
John A.
s/Byte/Wired/
(christmas shopping hangover)
12:58 p.m.
New subject: Classics in Dec-2004 ( Wired <<<< )
John Allain wrote:
There's a two page spread in Wired showing the
(eBay)(cough) prices of some really old commputing
things, this months issue.
I guess a BYTE now count's as OLD computing things.
Boy do I miss the old Computer mags since they showed
people using and upgrading machines not gawkinig about
how great the computer case flashes in neon colors
or how flashy a splash screen is as people often do today.
Ben.
6:54 p.m.
New subject: Classics in Dec-2004 ( Wired <<<< )
In message <41BD054E.6010203(a)jetnet.ab.ca>
ben franchuk <bfranchuk(a)jetnet.ab.ca> wrote:
I guess a BYTE now count's as OLD computing
things.
Boy do I miss the old Computer mags since they showed
people using and upgrading machines not gawkinig about
how great the computer case flashes in neon colors
or how flashy a splash screen is as people often do today.
Nnnngggghh.... Don't remind me.
PC Plus magazine used to be pretty good, then when the current editor took
over, he immediately tore up everything the last guy did. The programming
stuff has been near enough removed, replaced with "Remove spyware with
insert-name-of-expensive-crapware-here" and "Casemodding for ID-ten-Ts"...
Then again.. most PC rags are crap anyway these days.
Later.
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1 p.m.
New subject: Classics in Dec-2004 ( Wired <<<< )
It's here:
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/12.12/start.html?pg=6
--- John Allain <allain(a)panix.com> wrote:
There's a two page spread in Wired showing the
(eBay)(cough) prices of some really old commputing
things, this months issue.
A Univac reel tape was about the newest thing there.
Sorta interesting, if choked with commerciality.
John A.
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13 Dec
1:42 a.m.
New subject: Classics in Dec-2004 ( Wired <<<< )
On Sun, 12 Dec 2004, John Allain wrote:
There's a two page spread in Wired showing the
(eBay)(cough) prices of some really old commputing
things, this months issue.
A Univac reel tape was about the newest thing there.
Sorta interesting, if choked with commerciality.
John A.
s/Byte/Wired/
(christmas shopping hangover)
Ah yes, I thought that sounded familiar. A lot of that stuff is
over-valued. I have no idea where they got the estimates from. Still,
I'll be interested in following the auction next year.
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12 Dec
12 Dec
12:01 p.m.
On Dec 12, 2004, at 2:51 PM, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
Possibly Kroz by Apogee?
I don't think it was by any of the professional types- looked
home-spun to
me. Apogee was the Commander Keen stuff right?
Has anyone seen this: it was a 40x25 character based
dungeon crawl
type
game, a lot like
Gauntlet. Your icon was a happyface with a <^>v to indicate
direction. 4
players each get
a set of keys (4 people crowded around 1 keyboard). I don't think it
was
called gauntlet...
Reminds me of Snipes (
http://www.mobygames.com/game/sheet/p,2/gameId,15288/ )
I'll email you the game off-list.
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12:36 p.m.
> > > Has anyone seen this: it was a 40x25
character based dungeon crawl
> > > type game, a lot like Gauntlet. Your icon was a happyface with a
<^>v
> > > to indicate direction. 4 players each get a set of keys (4 people
> > > crowded around 1 keyboard). I don't think it was called gauntlet...
> > Reminds me of Snipes (
> > http://www.mobygames.com/game/sheet/p,2/gameId,15288/ )
> > I'll email you the game off-list.
> Possibly Kroz by Apogee?
I don't think it was by any of the professional
types- looked
home-spun to me. Apogee was the Commander Keen stuff right?
Eventually, yes, though they were only distributors for that one (id Software
actually wrote the Commander Keen series; check out their exorcism of their
past games, including Wolf and CK, in DOOM II's secret levels).
Kroz was one of their earliest releases and was written by Scott Miller, the
founder of Apogee. Here's an underdogs blurb on it (note that this is a
warez site if this is a point of concern for you):
http://www.the-underdogs.org/game.php?id=2231
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noon
On Dec 11, 2004, at 12:48 PM, Jim Leonard wrote:
Ron Hudson wrote:
I have Snipes, but that's not it. Snipes runs in full 80x2<somthing>
full glory.
Snipes is also mostly one color, this thing was colorful.
Has anyone seen this: it was a 40x25 character
based dungeon crawl
type game, a lot like
Gauntlet. Your icon was a happyface with a <^>v to indicate
direction. 4 players each get
a set of keys (4 people crowded around 1 keyboard). I don't think it
was called gauntlet...
Reminds me of Snipes (
http://www.mobygames.com/game/sheet/p,2/gameId,15288/ )
I'll email you the game off-list.
Thanks. :^) (although I probably already have that version since I
think I got it
from your site.)
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