The HP calculator community (just about the only main-ish-stream one that I am involved with) has much the same problem. People tend not to join user groups, alas, any more. They expect to buy pre-packaged solutions, and if they don't work they expect the manufacturer to fix it. The idea of experimenting, of going a little further, seems to have died out. [...] Why on earth do you need to edit a 76 year old newsletter? What's it stored on - Wheatstone Telegraph Tape? (Sorry, couldn't resist). And I guess the answer to your question is 'About as many as calculator clubs with a PERQ fanatic and a classic car enthusiast as members, and a Polish chairman' :-) An idea. Sell them the machines cheaply, and then allow them to attend your club meetings for (say) one year free of charge. Having been involved with many user clubs, I realise that the membership money does go to good use, and that it costs a lot of money to produce and print the newsletter. But a lot of people don't see it that way. It costs nothing extra to have a few extra people at meetings, and (a) they will get support for their new toy (thus keeping it running) and (b) may find how useful the club is and will thus join. Absolutely. And for that reason, expecting a new user to start on a classic computer is (IMHO) totally unrealistic. -tony