17 Nov
2003
17 Nov
'03
9:33 a.m.
Hi folks,
Well, the haunted house season is over and the cleanup continues.
Now I'll have more time to put into the HP2000 simulation project.
As you may remember we did get HP2000 Access running under simulation, as
well as "E" and "F". But so far no one is running a system full time.
I was running the system under Windows, but Unix and Mac are supported as
well. We have most all of the documentation including the source for Access
date code 1812, and should have most all of the contributed libraries.
Would any of you have access to other HIBE tapes? Ether in your archives or
in archives of data centers you used to support?
We still have more HIBE tapes that need to be converted to CD ROM and lots
of work sorting it all.
It sure was nice the first time I launched a telnet to my windows box and
got the "PLEASE LOG IN" prompt, and it was even better once I has able to
log in and play Adventure.
Since the simulation is faithful to the hardware, the original operating
system binaries don't even know that they are not running on real hardware.
I even have to use an image of the actual 2100 paper-tape bootstrap program
to get Access running under simulation.
With this approach to the simulation, every feature, flaw (if there were
any), or quirk is faithfully reproduced.
I'm trying to get HP to allow a hobby use open license, but until then the
package is available only on an as needed basis.
Do you know anybody who may want to play sysop and keep a system running for
the public to play with?
If so, just drop me a note.
Mgemeny(a)pgcps.org
Ps. We also did a paper on the project, which can be found here:
http://descanso.jpl.nasa.gov/RCSGSO/Proceedings/Paper/A0053Paper.pdf
<http://descanso.jpl.nasa.gov/RCSGSO/Proceedings/Paper/A0053Paper.pdf>
Thanks in advance,
Mike.
18 Nov
18 Nov
12:29 a.m.
New subject: HP 2000 TSB simulated?? YES! 2000 E, and F and Access have all be en running.
I'm trying to get HP to allow a hobby use open license, but until then the
package is available only on an as needed basis.
What can we do to help this effort?
Since hp owns compaq which owns dec, and the vms hobbyist program
continues, this provides a possible model for hp. In this case, the
justification is even easier: The HP2000 is no longer strategic to
their organization, so they don't stand to lose anything by providing
an HP2000 hobbyist license (and they certainly gain goodwill).
-Bob
bbrown(a)harpercollege.edu #### #### Bob Brown - KB9LFR
Harper Community College ## ## ## Systems Administrator
Palatine IL USA #### #### Saved by grace
1:48 a.m.
New subject: HP 2000 TSB simulated?? YES! 2000 E, and F and Access have all be en running.
On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 08:29:39AM -0600, Bob Brown wrote:
Normally, you cannot apply transitivity rules (if A->B and B->C then A-C) here;
the permission of DEC to copy obsolete manuals and the VMS hobbyist license
has nothing to do with HPQ. The DEC right-to-copy is older than the COMPAQ-DEC
merger.
However, as with RTE-6/VM (see other thread) the release note at Interex
contains the following sentence:
"This is the full RTE_6 release 6.2 from Hewlett-Packard as part of
HP's commitment to put obsolete software into the public domain."
A similar commitment is IIRC the basis for the permissions to scan publish
obsolete software documents for old handheld calculators, as it is done
on www.hpmuseum.org and www.hp41.org, for instance (AFAIK, this is no special
deal between HP and the website owners).
So it might be possible to refer to that commitment in order to get HP
to release TSB to the public domain completely. As RTE is newer than TSB
(IIRC), I think chances are good for that. The responsible person behind
the RTE release is Don Pottenger @ hp.com (insert dot between name parts),
and when I last e-mailed him, he was quite friendly and helpful. Maybe he
has the right contact to get this going.
Holger
I'm trying to get HP to allow a hobby use open license, but until then the
package is available only on an as needed basis.
What can we do to help this effort?
Since hp owns compaq which owns dec, and the vms hobbyist program
continues, this provides a possible model for hp. In this case, the
justification is even easier: The HP2000 is no longer strategic to
their organization, so they don't stand to lose anything by providing
an HP2000 hobbyist license (and they certainly gain goodwill). 
4:15 p.m.
New subject: HP 2000 TSB simulated?? YES! 2000 E, and F and Access have all be en running.
By the way... someone talked about talking to HP to see about getting a
"hobbyist" license or something for TSB. Please PLEASE can whoever takes up
this task... make SURE it isn't limited to the SIMH simulator like RT11 is?
I'd sure like to have it worded so my emulator can run the stuff too
legally.
Jay
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Brown" <bbrown(a)harpercollege.edu>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 8:29 AM
Subject: Re: HP 2000 TSB simulated?? YES! 2000 E, and F and Access have all
be en running.
>
>I'm trying to get HP to allow a hobby use open license, but until then
the
package is
available only on an as needed basis.
What can we do to help this effort?
Since hp owns compaq which owns dec, and the vms hobbyist program
continues, this provides a possible model for hp. In this case, the
justification is even easier: The HP2000 is no longer strategic to
their organization, so they don't stand to lose anything by providing
an HP2000 hobbyist license (and they certainly gain goodwill).
-Bob
bbrown(a)harpercollege.edu #### #### Bob Brown - KB9LFR
Harper Community College ## ## ## Systems Administrator
Palatine IL USA #### #### Saved by grace
4:05 p.m.
New subject: HP 2000 TSB simulated?? YES! 2000 E, and F and Access have all been running.
Yes Mike... just to show I'm not biased against any emulator other than
mine... I'd be happy to put up the simh simulator running access on the
classiccmp server. Full time connected to the net. Of course, if I ever get
around to finishing mine up, BOTH will be available there! :)
Jay West
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Gemeny" <MGemeny(a)pgcps.org>
To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 5:33 PM
Subject: HP 2000 TSB simulated?? YES! 2000 E, and F and Access have all been
running.
Hi folks,
Well, the haunted house season is over and the cleanup continues.
Now I'll have more time to put into the HP2000 simulation project.
As you may remember we did get HP2000 Access running under simulation, as
well as "E" and "F". But so far no one is running a system full
time.
I was running the system under Windows, but Unix and Mac are supported as
well. We have most all of the documentation including the source for
Access
date code 1812, and should have most all of the
contributed libraries.
Would any of you have access to other HIBE tapes? Ether in your archives
or
in archives of data centers you used to support?
We still have more HIBE tapes that need to be converted to CD ROM and lots
of work sorting it all.
It sure was nice the first time I launched a telnet to my windows box and
got the "PLEASE LOG IN" prompt, and it was even better once I has able to
log in and play Adventure.
Since the simulation is faithful to the hardware, the original operating
system binaries don't even know that they are not running on real
hardware.
I even have to use an image of the actual 2100
paper-tape bootstrap
program
to get Access running under simulation.
With this approach to the simulation, every feature, flaw (if there were
any), or quirk is faithfully reproduced.
I'm trying to get HP to allow a hobby use open license, but until then the
package is available only on an as needed basis.
Do you know anybody who may want to play sysop and keep a system running
for
the public to play with?
If so, just drop me a note.
Mgemeny(a)pgcps.org
Ps. We also did a paper on the project, which can be found here:
http://descanso.jpl.nasa.gov/RCSGSO/Proceedings/Paper/A0053Paper.pdf
<http://descanso.jpl.nasa.gov/RCSGSO/Proceedings/Paper/A0053Paper.pdf>
Thanks in advance,
Mike.
9:04 p.m.
New subject: HP 2000 TSB simulated?? YES! 2000 E, and F and Access have all been running.
this is fantastic!
ed sharpe archivist for smecc
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Gemeny" <MGemeny(a)pgcps.org>
To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 4:33 PM
Subject: HP 2000 TSB simulated?? YES! 2000 E, and F and Access have all been
running.
Hi folks,
Well, the haunted house season is over and the cleanup continues.
Now I'll have more time to put into the HP2000 simulation project.
As you may remember we did get HP2000 Access running under simulation, as
well as "E" and "F". But so far no one is running a system full
time.
I was running the system under Windows, but Unix and Mac are supported as
well. We have most all of the documentation including the source for
Access
date code 1812, and should have most all of the
contributed libraries.
Would any of you have access to other HIBE tapes? Ether in your archives
or
in archives of data centers you used to support?
We still have more HIBE tapes that need to be converted to CD ROM and lots
of work sorting it all.
It sure was nice the first time I launched a telnet to my windows box and
got the "PLEASE LOG IN" prompt, and it was even better once I has able to
log in and play Adventure.
Since the simulation is faithful to the hardware, the original operating
system binaries don't even know that they are not running on real
hardware.
I even have to use an image of the actual 2100
paper-tape bootstrap
program
to get Access running under simulation.
With this approach to the simulation, every feature, flaw (if there were
any), or quirk is faithfully reproduced.
I'm trying to get HP to allow a hobby use open license, but until then the
package is available only on an as needed basis.
Do you know anybody who may want to play sysop and keep a system running
for
the public to play with?
If so, just drop me a note.
Mgemeny(a)pgcps.org
Ps. We also did a paper on the project, which can be found here:
http://descanso.jpl.nasa.gov/RCSGSO/Proceedings/Paper/A0053Paper.pdf
<http://descanso.jpl.nasa.gov/RCSGSO/Proceedings/Paper/A0053Paper.pdf>
Thanks in advance,
Mike.
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