3 Aug
2001
3 Aug
'01
1:06 p.m.
On August 3, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
And Apple offered software to allow a Mac to remotely
administer Apple
Network Servers, which run AIX, through a Control Panel-like interface.
You mean A/UX?
-Dave
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3 Aug
3 Aug
3:26 p.m.
On August 3, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
Nah. The Apple Network Server Power PC boxes run an Apple version of
IBM's AIX.
Bill
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And Apple offered software to allow a Mac to
remotely administer Apple
Network Servers, which run AIX, through a Control Panel-like interface.
You mean A/UX?
-Dave
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Dave McGuire
Laurel, MD 
7:55 a.m.
On Mon, 6 Aug 2001, Master of all that Sucks wrote:
On Fri, 3 Aug 2001, Bill Pechter wrote:
It wasn't really even customized. If memory serves, these machines can
run AIX5L as it ships.
Actually I think they had a few oddities that did not make them 100%
RS6000 compatible, I seem to remember that some models (if not all of the
Apple AIX servers) used ADB keyboards, and had apple talk ports (do not
quote me on this). I think that they are only supported from AIX 4.1.x to
4.2.x. I might be wrong.....
Cheers!
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You
mean A/UX?
Nah. The Apple Network Server Power PC boxes run an Apple version of
IBM's AIX. 
8:34 a.m.
On Mon, 6 Aug 2001, Francis. Javier Mesa wrote:
But AIX5L (and probably 4.1.1+) ships with ADB and AppleTalk drivers
(adapted from MkLinux, I believe). Also, AIX5L has a two-stage bootloader
capable of bootstrapping from Mac ROMs.
Peace... Sridhar
It wasn't
really even customized. If memory serves, these machines can
run AIX5L as it ships.
Actually I think they had a few oddities that did not make them 100%
RS6000 compatible, I seem to remember that some models (if not all of the
Apple AIX servers) used ADB keyboards, and had apple talk ports (do not
quote me on this). I think that they are only supported from AIX 4.1.x to
4.2.x. I might be wrong..... 
3:11 p.m.
It wasn't really even customized. If memory
serves, these machines can
run AIX5L as it ships.
Actually I think they had a few oddities that did not make them 100%
RS6000 compatible, I seem to remember that some models (if not all of the
Apple AIX servers) used ADB keyboards, and had apple talk ports (do not
quote me on this). I think that they are only supported from AIX 4.1.x to
4.2.x. I might be wrong..... 
11:47 a.m.
The Cray EL-98 located in Boston reached it's reserve today.
It's now reserve-free at $4000. With 6 days left on the auction, it
should be interesting to see just what it goes for.
Jeff
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1:36 p.m.
I paid quite a bit more for mine... but this one does
appear to be the genuine Apple article...looks like it's
been in storage a while as the unicos tape shown is v6.x
and the latest available for the EL is 8.x or 9.x - add another
8k$ to license it since Cray-->SGI-->Tera don't have
"hobbyist use" licensing programmes.
Its strange that this machine has a nice VME cage with two
IOPs but is running a cylinder short on the vector cpu cards.
More typical is the 4 vpu card system rather than this 3 one has.
The half gig of memory is on heavily packed boards loaded
with ZIP package dram - likely 256k by 4 or 1 chips with lots
of nasty flying lead series terminating 33 ohm resistors on all
signals - maybe added as an afterthought to improve signal integrity.
I expect it will sell for more than the typical J90s people
used to ask 10k$ only a few months back but recently have
only been fetching <$US5k. ELs tend to be more rare and
certainly are nicer to look at than J90s - though they also
have their beauty in the wavy rack doors. Even rarer is the
EL-92, I know of only one person owning one of these diminutive
Crays.
The German machine has been pulled from both US and DE ebays-
after running for a second time after the high bidder reneged.
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewItem&item=…
28599
You can see in the pics, the large boards lying on "antistatic"
newspaper after the machine was dismantled/defiled.. The large
ceramic chips are the custom LSI-LOGIC VPU ASICS and memory
(ECC of course, 64 bit word) controllers on the ZIP filled cards.
The CPU clock rate is only 33Mhz but still manages 133Mflops
per processor card. These CMOS machines were derived from
the SuperTek XMS S-2 (Cray bought Supertek when they went under).
Most interesting is that Cray signed a sales/service distribution deal
with of all companies -DEC- but but later cancelled when they couldn't
sell enough units. The YMP-EL gave rise to EL-98, 94 and 92 models
and was the basis for the J90, J90se (100Mhz clock) and SV1(300Mhz)
systems. Later, Cray would use the DEC Alpha 21044 in the T3D & T3E
massively parallel systems - the start of the end for vector
supercomputers.
Though ELs were always considered "baby Crays" - entry level machines
for educational use or for code development (code compat with YMP
"production machines") they are the only series, along with J90s that a
typical (rich) hobbyist could reasonably acquired and run (@6KW/hr).
Cray actually referred to them as "Vector Superminis" rather than true
Supers.
(One advantage of J90s is that they can be upgraded to SV1s at extreme
cost. Moving from 100Mhz to 300Mhz and faster dram yields 1.2Gflops/cpu.
and 4.8Gflops from their "multistreaming" CPUs.)
Here's the relevant faq for those interested.
http://ds.dial.pipex.com/town/park/abm64/CrayWWWStuff/Cfaqp1.html
Regards,
Heinz
Jeff Hellige wrote:
The Cray EL-98 located in Boston reached it's reserve today.
It's now reserve-free at $4000. With 6 days left on the auction, it
should be interesting to see just what it goes for.
4:34 p.m.
Heinz Wolter skrev:
The half gig of memory is on heavily packed boards
loaded
with ZIP package dram - likely 256k by 4 or 1 chips with lots
of nasty flying lead series terminating 33 ohm resistors on all
signals - maybe added as an afterthought to improve signal integrity.
Expect Amiga 3000 users hungry for ZIPs closing in on this machine like a pack
of hungry buzzards. ;-)
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2:52 p.m.
At 04:47 pm 06/08/2001 -0400, you wrote:
The Cray EL-98 located in Boston reached it's
reserve today.
It's now reserve-free at $4000. With 6 days left on the auction, it
should be interesting to see just what it goes for.
Heck, for $4000, I'd buy it...
I'm not entirely sure how I'd get it back to the UK though, although I do
have a power rail good enough for 24A and space to put it.
Hmmm...
Will it run Windows 2000?
Cheers!
Ade.
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3:13 p.m.
It wasn't
really even customized. If memory serves, these machines can
run AIX5L as it ships.
Actually I think they had a few oddities that did not make them 100%
RS6000 compatible, I seem to remember that some models (if not all of the
Apple AIX servers) used ADB keyboards, and had apple talk ports (do not
quote me on this). I think that they are only supported from AIX 4.1.x to
4.2.x. I might be wrong..... 
7:07 p.m.
New subject: DOS for S-100?
Has anyone heard of DOS being available for the S-100 platform? A friend of
mine is trying to gain access to an optical drive that was used on an S-100
system and says that DOS 3.1 was the system. I have not heard of DOS being
used on S-100 systems, hence the question.
8:25 p.m.
New subject: DOS for S-100?
In the early '80's it was quite routine to see MS-DOS or PC-DOS running on an
S-100 or other 80x86 box. Given enough information about the DOS/PC
interaction, it was quite straightforward setting up and running PC-DOS, given
that one had a MONO-compatible or CGA-compatible display adapter and monitor and
a keyboard handler that fit. There were even PC-emulators sold for the S-100,
that had off-board memory, but on-board keyboard and video interface, along with
the other PC essentials. They were seldom 100% compatible, however.
If you're not fussy about all the "compatibility" problems, it's not
difficult,
once you have an 8086-family processor running.
If you wanted to do that today, I'd recommend building an S-100<=>ISA adapter,
and putting a "short" mono card and a PC keyboard adapter on a board, together
with an ISA FDC/HDC board. That should be easy enough to manage. Somebody may
even have one on the market.
Dick
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From: "Marvin" <marvin(a)rain.org>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 10:07 PM
Subject: DOS for S-100?
Has anyone heard of DOS being available for the S-100 platform? A friend of
mine is trying to gain access to an optical drive that was used on an S-100
system and says that DOS 3.1 was the system. I have not heard of DOS being
used on S-100 systems, hence the question.
7 Aug
7 Aug
8:27 a.m.
New subject: DOS for S-100?
iOn Mon, 6 Aug 2001, Marvin wrote:
Has anyone heard of DOS being available for the S-100
platform? A friend of
mine is trying to gain access to an optical drive that was used on an S-100
system and says that DOS 3.1 was the system. I have not heard of DOS being
used on S-100 systems, hence the question.
Virtually every 8086 S-100 system ran either CP/M-86 or MS-DOS.
Starting with Seattle Computer Products "Q-DOS" which later BECAME MS-DOS,
86-DOS, SB86-DOS?
But, ...
Because the architecture of the system is likely to NOT be the same as the
IBM-PC, It will usually be MS-DOS, NOT PC-DOS, and will usually be early
versions, that were less tied to the IBM PC architecture. The ones
already mentioned are mostly v 1.00
2.11 is the most recent version that would be practical, unless the
machine was explicitly intended to be an IBM clone.
--
Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin(a)xenosoft.com
10:08 a.m.
New subject: DOS for S-100?
If you mean MS-DOS then yes it was available for the Heathkit H-100 /
Zenith Z-100.
Joe
At 09:07 PM 8/6/01 -0700, you wrote:
Has anyone heard of DOS being available for the S-100
platform? A friend of
mine is trying to gain access to an optical drive that was used on an S-100
system and says that DOS 3.1 was the system. I have not heard of DOS being
used on S-100 systems, hence the question.
3 Aug
3 Aug
9:10 p.m.
On Fri, Aug 03, 2001 at 06:06:15PM -0400, Dave McGuire wrote:
Nope, the Apple Network Servers were basically Apple-badged RS/6000s.
See www.apple-history.com.
Bill
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mrbill(a)mrbill.net
Austin, TX
Network
Servers, which run AIX, through a Control Panel-like interface.
You mean A/UX?
10:41 p.m.
Network Servers, which run AIX, through a Control
Panel-like interface.
You mean A/UX?
6 Aug
6 Aug
4:41 a.m.
There were Apple PowerPC-based servers that ran AIX.
Peace... Sridhar
On Fri, 3 Aug 2001, Dave McGuire wrote:
On August 3, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
And Apple offered software to allow a Mac to
remotely administer Apple
Network Servers, which run AIX, through a Control Panel-like interface.
You mean A/UX?
-Dave
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Laurel, MD
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