12 Jun
2002
12 Jun
'02
4:53 p.m.
All this mention of Motorola's 88000 RISC chip has made me wonder
what machines were built around it. Did Data General make anything
with it? Was there a Motorola development system?
One of my collecting goals is to acquire an example of each of
the microprocessor acrhitectures. Now 6502, 8080, 6809, 68000,
and so on are easy. What about the Z8000? The 32032 (I do have
a Whitechapel)? The 88000? The iAPX432?
--
John Honniball
coredump(a)gifford.co.uk
12 Jun
12 Jun
5:20 p.m.
The 88000 I have is in a NCD 88k X-Windows Terminal. The MIPS and i960s I
have also belong to x-windows terminals.... semi interesting that they
were all made using RISC architecure processors IMHO. Of course, they're
not 'great' examples, but they do have a real cut-down UNIX type OS
running on them that can usually be accessed. In fact, there's a Linux
version (uClinux) that will run on the i960.. I've just never got the time
to fool around with making the system image and stuff.
-- Pat
On Wed, 12 Jun 2002, John Honniball wrote:
All this mention of Motorola's 88000 RISC chip has made me wonder
what machines were built around it. Did Data General make anything
with it? Was there a Motorola development system?
One of my collecting goals is to acquire an example of each of
the microprocessor acrhitectures. Now 6502, 8080, 6809, 68000,
and so on are easy. What about the Z8000? The 32032 (I do have
a Whitechapel)? The 88000? The iAPX432?
--
John Honniball
coredump(a)gifford.co.uk
6:22 p.m.
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13 Jun
13 Jun
1:10 a.m.
--- Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk> wrote:
Hmm... I think I need a bigger list. I'm missing the Transputer
and most of the HP calculator (and one of the MIPS - I have a
DECstation that has a MIPS processor, R3000 IIRC). The rest
of those, I have.
I have a couple of (working) HDS X-terms based on the i960, as well as
a few loose chips (PGA package).
I also have a couple of 4004 chips - one came out of a commercial
kitchen scale, the other out of a non-UPC barcode device for
grocery stores (got it at Dayton, c. 1983)
One of my
collecting goals is to acquire an example of each of
the microprocessor acrhitectures. Now 6502, 8080, 6809, 68000,
Other CPUs to consider are :
TMS9900 (TI99/4A, for example, or some Versatec printer/plotters)
6100 (PDP8-on-a-chip -- DECmates)
Transputer (it's harder to find a computer based on this chip than to
find it on an add-on board for a PC).
6800 (as distinct from 6809)
ARM
LSI11 (in all its flavours)
All the single-chip HP calculator CPUs (ACT, NUT, Saturn, etc).
MIPS R2000, R3000
SPARC
Alpha
Microcontrollers (8048, 8051, PIC, ...) Some are much easier to find than others ;-)
Indeed.
-ethan
-tony
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10:04 p.m.
At 08:15 PM 6/13/02 +0100, you wrote:
Sparc:
I'd recommend a Sparcstation IPX; small, and can be run from a serial
console. Cheap or free; it maxes at 64MB RAM. You can run Linux on it.
I have two running Solaris 2.6 .
Never had much particularly bulky stuff; I had to leave the hp 9000/370,
9000/433s, their monitors (about 200lb total), the uVaxII and other stuff
behind when I left the U.S. I kept the hp 9000/380, though, and it is
up as nazas.autonoma.edu.co .
Hmmm... I'd recommend a Decstation 2000 for the R2000. Though I am not
sure about the status of free OS's for it... I am not sure if netBSD
supports it... there was something odd about the way it handles pages.
But I remember using a 12MHz model with a mono framebuffer;
Ultrix; interesting for its time. It made a good ftp server until about
three years ago, when we decommissioned it. I think Linc Fessenden
ended up with it. Are you still there, Linc?
carlos.
--------------------------------------------------------------
Carlos E. Murillo-Sanchez carlos_murillo(a)nospammers.ieee.org
> All the
single-chip HP calculator CPUs (ACT, NUT, Saturn, etc).
> MIPS R2000, R3000
> SPARC
> Alpha
> Microcontrollers (8048, 8051, PIC, ...)
I didn't say I had all of those.
In particular I am missing the SPARC,
the Alpha amd the R3000 at least. and most of
the HP calculator (and one of the MIPS - I have a
I started seriously collecting (and using) HP handhelds when I ran out of
space for 19" racks :-). It was then that I discovered that although an
HP41 will fit in my pocket, the disk drive, Thinkjet printer, tape drive,
data logger, RS232 inteface, video interface, HPIB interface, etc take up
a fairly large bench :-)
The HP3421 is even bigger.
DECstation
that has a MIPS processor, R3000 IIRC). The rest
I have most of an R2000-based machine. A Whitechapel Hitec 10 IIRC.
Probably enough to get it going again, but I have no hardware information
at all on it (not even a pinout of the R2000 chip) so it's going to be a
very long-term project... 
14 Jun
14 Jun
9:22 a.m.
On Thu, 13 Jun 2002, Carlos Murillo wrote:
At 08:15 PM 6/13/02 +0100, you wrote:
Sparc:
I'd recommend a Sparcstation IPX; small, and can be run from a serial
console. Cheap or free; it maxes at 64MB RAM. You can run Linux on it.
I have two running Solaris 2.6 .
Never had much particularly bulky stuff; I had to leave the hp 9000/370,
9000/433s, their monitors (about 200lb total), the uVaxII and other stuff
behind when I left the U.S. I kept the hp 9000/380, though, and it is
up as nazas.autonoma.edu.co .
Hmmm... I'd recommend a Decstation 2000 for the R2000. Though I am not
sure about the status of free OS's for it... I am not sure if netBSD
supports it... there was something odd about the way it handles pages.
But I remember using a 12MHz model with a mono framebuffer;
Ultrix; interesting for its time. It made a good ftp server until about
three years ago, when we decommissioned it. I think Linc Fessenden
ended up with it. Are you still there, Linc?
You probably mean a DECStation 2100 or 3100. Those are both R2000
based, only difference between 2100 and 3100 is that the 2100 runs at 12 MHZ
and the 3100 at 16. NetBSD supports them quite well. Probably the fastest
small workstation at the time they came out (1989). They look like, and use
the same (or very similar) case, power supply, peripherals, as VS3100/30/38.
> All
the single-chip HP calculator CPUs (ACT, NUT, Saturn, etc).
> MIPS R2000, R3000
> SPARC
> Alpha
> Microcontrollers (8048, 8051, PIC, ...)
I didn't say I had all of those.
In particular I am missing the SPARC,
the Alpha amd the R3000 at least. and most
of the HP calculator (and one of the MIPS - I have a
I started seriously collecting (and using) HP handhelds when I ran out of
space for 19" racks :-). It was then that I discovered that although an
HP41 will fit in my pocket, the disk drive, Thinkjet printer, tape drive,
data logger, RS232 inteface, video interface, HPIB interface, etc take up
a fairly large bench :-)
The HP3421 is even bigger.
DECstation that has a MIPS processor, R3000 IIRC). The rest
I have most of an R2000-based machine. A Whitechapel Hitec 10 IIRC.
Probably enough to get it going again, but I have no hardware information
at all on it (not even a pinout of the R2000 chip) so it's going to be a
very long-term project...
carlos.
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Carlos E. Murillo-Sanchez carlos_murillo(a)nospammers.ieee.org
Peter Wallace
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12 Jun
12 Jun
6:59 p.m.
On Wed, 12 Jun 2002, John Honniball wrote:
All this mention of Motorola's 88000 RISC chip has made me wonder
what machines were built around it. Did Data General make anything
with it? Was there a Motorola development system?
One of my collecting goals is to acquire an example of each of
the microprocessor acrhitectures. Now 6502, 8080, 6809, 68000,
and so on are easy. What about the Z8000? The 32032 (I do have
a Whitechapel)? The 88000? The iAPX432?
What about the Rockwell PPS-8, RCA 1802, GI CP1600, NAT SEMI IMP-16, PACE,
SCAMP, TI TMS9900, Signetics 2650, Electronics Arrays EA9002, Intersil IM6100?
etc etc etc...
--
John Honniball
coredump(a)gifford.co.uk
Peter Wallace
13 Jun
13 Jun
10:15 a.m.
At 10:53 PM 6/12/02 +0100, you wrote:
All this mention of Motorola's 88000 RISC chip has
made me wonder
what machines were built around it. Did Data General make anything
with it?
I've got four Data General Aviion AV4300's here in my basement. The main
board in the 4300 machine has an 88100RC25, two 88200RC25s and a
68020. I can provide pictures upon request.
By the way, I'd be willing to trade one or more of these machines for other
interesting equipment (my primary interest is Hewlett-Packard).
Cheers,
Dan
www.decodesystems.com/wanted.html
14 Jun
14 Jun
6:49 p.m.
New subject: iAPX 432 (was Re: 88000 machines)
One of my collecting goals is to acquire an example of
each of
the microprocessor acrhitectures. Now 6502, 8080, 6809, 68000,
and so on are easy. What about the Z8000? The 32032 (I do have
a Whitechapel)? The 88000? The iAPX432?
It's pretty tough to get iAPX 432 stuff. The software is even more
difficult to find than the boards or chips.
The iSBC-432/100 evaluation board was used in the MDS. There was an
interpreter for a language called OPL-432, which was a dialect of
Smalltalk closely related to Rosetta Smalltalk. Unfortunately OPL only
runs on the release 1.0 chips. (Maybe 1.1 as well?) The iSBC-432/100
never ran any of the "real" 432 software.
The full-blown development system was the 432/600 series, and typically
customers bought the standard configuration, a 432/670, although it was
possible to buy 432/6xx boards, backplanes, enclosures, etc. ala carte
in order to build smaller or larger configurations. The 432/670 could
support up to five processors and six memory cards for a total of 1.5M
of memory. I modified the memory controller and memory cards on one
system to allow for up to 6M using 256K DRAMs. By using a larger
backplane, it was possible to have six processors and ten memory cards
for a total of 2.5M (10M with my modifications).
All I/O went through one or more "Attached Processors" or APs. The
AP was typically 8086-based, and in practice was usually an iSBC 86/12A
or iSBC 86/14, running iRMX-86 or iRMX-88.
The 432/6xx had to be attached to a Series III MDS in order to
load and debug software, and the cross development had to be done on
a VAX running either VMS or BSD 4.1.
The software consists of:
MDS side:
diagnostics
DEBUG-432
VAX side:
CDS-432 Cross Development System:
Ada-432 compiler
LINK-432
iMAX-432 operating system
AFAIK, the last customer release of CDS-432 was release 2.7, which
supported the release 3.2 chips. Intel continued development in house
in support of the Intel/Siemens joint venture (later commercially named
"BiiN"). There were release 3.3 chips, and probably software to support
them, but they were not available to customers.
I have not been able to obtain a complete copy of any release of
CDS-432 or iMAX-432, nor I have found the diagnostics or DEBUG-432.
I keep hoping that copies of this stuff will turn up eventually, but
things look pretty grim...
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