5 Nov
2017
5 Nov
'17
9:46 a.m.
I know around the 20th I wasn?t the only one having problems. Are there still issues?
Oddly enough, once I got access back to my Aracnet email address, and even though it has
problems receiving email, it?s getting classiccmp just fine. Which a surprise,
considering I didn?t think my Aracnet account existed for much of that time.
OTOH, I?ve not received any from classiccmp at this address since the 20th. I seem to be
having problems logging into the website to check my preferences, and can?t even get it to
send me a password.
It will be interesting to see if this makes it through.
Zane
7 Nov
7 Nov
10:25 a.m.
On Sun, Nov 05, 2017 at 09:46:18AM -0800, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote:
I know around the 20th I wasn?t the only one having
problems. Are
there still issues?
I have had some issues during Oct 21st-22nd (Sat + Sun). Emails from
US-based mailing lists stopped coming. On top of that,
www.classiccmp.org was not responding. On later Sunday afternoon (I was
GMT+2, now I am GMT+1) everything looked normal again and mute lists
all came back either around this time or (I think) during next day or
two.
No idea what could have been the cause of this or how widespread it
was. I have not spotted anything in the news, and maybe I will have
some time to spare on thinking more about this puzzle, or maybe not -
given that is solved itself and chances are, very few were affected.
[...]
It will be interesting to see if this makes it through.
It made it through, apparently.
--
Regards,
Tomasz Rola
--
** A C programmer asked whether computer had Buddha's nature. **
** As the answer, master did "rm -rif" on the programmer's home **
** directory. And then the C programmer became enlightened... **
** **
** Tomasz Rola mailto:tomasz_rola at bigfoot.com **
1:07 p.m.
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Tomasz
Rola via cctalk
Sent: 07 November 2017 18:26
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Cc: Zane Healy <healyzh at avanthar.com>
Subject: Re: List Problems?
On Sun, Nov 05, 2017 at 09:46:18AM -0800, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote:
This has happened to me too, twice in recent weeks, and not just to me, to a friend here
in the UK too. By "this" I mean, no emails from the list and www.classiccmp.org
not responding.
Regards
Rob
I know around the 20th I wasn?t the only one
having problems. Are
there still issues?
I have had some issues during Oct 21st-22nd (Sat + Sun). Emails from US-based
mailing lists stopped coming. On top of that, www.classiccmp.org was not
responding. On later Sunday afternoon (I was
GMT+2, now I am GMT+1) everything looked normal again and mute lists
all came back either around this time or (I think) during next day or two.
No idea what could have been the cause of this or how widespread it was. I
have not spotted anything in the news, and maybe I will have some time to
spare on thinking more about this puzzle, or maybe not - given that is solved
itself and chances are, very few were affected.
1:15 p.m.
-----Original
Message-----
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Tomasz
Rola via cctalk
Sent: 07 November 2017 18:26
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Cc: Zane Healy <healyzh at avanthar.com>
Subject: Re: List Problems?
On Sun, Nov 05, 2017 at 09:46:18AM -0800, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote:
This has happened to me too, twice in recent weeks, and not just to me, to a friend here
in the UK too. By "this" I mean, no emails from the list and www.classiccmp.org
not responding.
Regards
Rob I know around the 20th I wasn?t the only one
having problems. Are
there still issues?
I have had some issues during Oct 21st-22nd (Sat + Sun). Emails from US-based
mailing lists stopped coming. On top of that, www.classiccmp.org was not
responding. On later Sunday afternoon (I was
GMT+2, now I am GMT+1) everything looked normal again and mute lists
all came back either around this time or (I think) during next day or two.
No idea what could have been the cause of this or how widespread it was. I
have not spotted anything in the news, and maybe I will have some time to
spare on thinking more about this puzzle, or maybe not - given that is solved
itself and chances are, very few were affected.
1:18 p.m.
I had this just last weekend. No mail from the list starting early
morning on the 4th and didn't start getting new mail till the morning
of the 6th. During that time the website wasn't responding for me
either.
--
Hayden
On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 2:07 PM, Rob Jarratt via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Tomasz
Rola via cctalk
Sent: 07 November 2017 18:26
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Cc: Zane Healy <healyzh at avanthar.com>
Subject: Re: List Problems?
On Sun, Nov 05, 2017 at 09:46:18AM -0800, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote:
This has happened to me too, twice in recent weeks, and not just to me, to a friend here
in the UK too. By "this" I mean, no emails from the list and www.classiccmp.org
not responding.
Regards
Rob
I know around the 20th I wasn?t the only one
having problems. Are
there still issues?
I have had some issues during Oct 21st-22nd (Sat + Sun). Emails from US-based
mailing lists stopped coming. On top of that, www.classiccmp.org was not
responding. On later Sunday afternoon (I was
GMT+2, now I am GMT+1) everything looked normal again and mute lists
all came back either around this time or (I think) during next day or two.
No idea what could have been the cause of this or how widespread it was. I
have not spotted anything in the news, and maybe I will have some time to
spare on thinking more about this puzzle, or maybe not - given that is solved
itself and chances are, very few were affected.
2:12 p.m.
Yes, I am aware of the list problems. Yes, it went down a couple weeks ago and again about
a week ago. The issue is that I've been migrating the classiccmp server VM from an old
falling apart cluster to a new one. Rather than just migrate it, I decided to take the
time to upgrade everything. All software, all dependancies, OS, etc etc.
My approach was to create a new classiccmp server on the new cluster, and then migrate one
website/ftp site/repository/mailinglist at a time. This way I could make sure things are
running ok before just moving everything. What that means is that as of this moment, some
classiccmp related websites are on the 'old' but running server, and some are on
the 'new' but running server. That is why - for just one example - that when the
old (but still in production) server went down a couple weeks ago (see below)... bitsavers
still stayed up and running. It had already been migrated.
So on the old falling apart cluster where the old server is, there is a horrendous iscsi
issue. This is partly a problem with freebsd and some silly assumptions made by the
developers, or at least lack of time to fix it. It's also due to some bad network
related items. But mostly it is due to the fact that all of our production clients we
moved off the old stuff a year ago and that hardware isn't well maintained and
targeted for decommission. That can't happen until my hobby classiccmp list/site, and
all the vintage computer related sites that I host for free.... get moved.
Yes, there are active backups of everything. But whenever the iscsi issue presents itself,
I have to restore the entire VM, and that takes a long long time.
So no Aaron - better hosting isn't needed. Nor is any donation. I just need to find a
bunch of roundtuits so I can finish the migration. Then it will be stable again. This is a
hobby, and life does intervene at times. About the only thing I'll ask is if you ever
meet me in person at an event, buy me a glass of beer and I'll be happy.
J
3:26 p.m.
On Tue, 7 Nov 2017, Jay West via cctalk wrote:
it will be stable again. This is a hobby, and life
does intervene at
times. About the only thing I'll ask is if you ever meet me in person at
an event, buy me a glass of beer and I'll be happy.
Until we happen to run into you, is there a beer button that we can click?
4 p.m.
About the only thing I'll ask is if you ever meet
me in person at an
event, buy me a glass of beer and I'll be happy.
I'm some 10.000 km from you, I doubt I'll have the pleasure of buying you a
beer in person. Maybe a button we could remotely click? :)
2017-11-07 20:12 GMT-02:00 Jay West via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org>:
Yes, I am aware of the list problems. Yes, it went
down a couple weeks ago
and again about a week ago. The issue is that I've been migrating the
classiccmp server VM from an old falling apart cluster to a new one. Rather
than just migrate it, I decided to take the time to upgrade everything. All
software, all dependancies, OS, etc etc.
My approach was to create a new classiccmp server on the new cluster, and
then migrate one website/ftp site/repository/mailinglist at a time. This
way I could make sure things are running ok before just moving everything.
What that means is that as of this moment, some classiccmp related websites
are on the 'old' but running server, and some are on the 'new' but
running
server. That is why - for just one example - that when the old (but still
in production) server went down a couple weeks ago (see below)... bitsavers
still stayed up and running. It had already been migrated.
So on the old falling apart cluster where the old server is, there is a
horrendous iscsi issue. This is partly a problem with freebsd and some
silly assumptions made by the developers, or at least lack of time to fix
it. It's also due to some bad network related items. But mostly it is due
to the fact that all of our production clients we moved off the old stuff a
year ago and that hardware isn't well maintained and targeted for
decommission. That can't happen until my hobby classiccmp list/site, and
all the vintage computer related sites that I host for free.... get moved.
Yes, there are active backups of everything. But whenever the iscsi issue
presents itself, I have to restore the entire VM, and that takes a long
long time.
So no Aaron - better hosting isn't needed. Nor is any donation. I just
need to find a bunch of roundtuits so I can finish the migration. Then it
will be stable again. This is a hobby, and life does intervene at times.
About the only thing I'll ask is if you ever meet me in person at an event,
buy me a glass of beer and I'll be happy.
J
11:25 p.m.
I've said it before and I'll probably say it many times again. Thank you
for your time, bandwidth, storage and CPU-hours!
Also thanks for the update.
/P
On Tue, Nov 07, 2017 at 04:12:57PM -0600, Jay West via cctalk wrote:
Yes, I am aware of the list problems. Yes, it went
down a couple weeks ago and again about a week ago. The issue is that I've been
migrating the classiccmp server VM from an old falling apart cluster to a new one. Rather
than just migrate it, I decided to take the time to upgrade everything. All software, all
dependancies, OS, etc etc.
My approach was to create a new classiccmp server on the new cluster, and then migrate
one website/ftp site/repository/mailinglist at a time. This way I could make sure things
are running ok before just moving everything. What that means is that as of this moment,
some classiccmp related websites are on the 'old' but running server, and some are
on the 'new' but running server. That is why - for just one example - that when
the old (but still in production) server went down a couple weeks ago (see below)...
bitsavers still stayed up and running. It had already been migrated.
So on the old falling apart cluster where the old server is, there is a horrendous iscsi
issue. This is partly a problem with freebsd and some silly assumptions made by the
developers, or at least lack of time to fix it. It's also due to some bad network
related items. But mostly it is due to the fact that all of our production clients we
moved off the old stuff a year ago and that hardware isn't well maintained and
targeted for decommission. That can't happen until my hobby classiccmp list/site, and
all the vintage computer related sites that I host for free.... get moved.
Yes, there are active backups of everything. But whenever the iscsi issue presents
itself, I have to restore the entire VM, and that takes a long long time.
So no Aaron - better hosting isn't needed. Nor is any donation. I just need to find a
bunch of roundtuits so I can finish the migration. Then it will be stable again. This is a
hobby, and life does intervene at times. About the only thing I'll ask is if you ever
meet me in person at an event, buy me a glass of beer and I'll be happy.
J
8 Nov
8 Nov
11:56 a.m.
On Tue, Nov 07, 2017 at 04:12:57PM -0600, Jay West via cctalk wrote:
[...]
So no Aaron - better hosting isn't needed. Nor is
any donation. I
just need to find a bunch of roundtuits so I can finish the
migration. Then it will be stable again. This is a hobby, and life
does intervene at times. About the only thing I'll ask is if you
ever meet me in person at an event, buy me a glass of beer and I'll
be happy.
Man, you certainly deserve a beer.
--
Regards,
Tomasz Rola
--
** A C programmer asked whether computer had Buddha's nature. **
** As the answer, master did "rm -rif" on the programmer's home **
** directory. And then the C programmer became enlightened... **
** **
** Tomasz Rola mailto:tomasz_rola at bigfoot.com **
7 Nov
7 Nov
8:31 p.m.
On Nov 7, 2017, at 1:07 PM, Rob Jarratt <robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com> wrote:
The only reason I saw these two emails is because I?m CC?d on them. At least I now know
that I can send emails to classiccmp, but I?m not getting emails from at this address.
I?m not sure if the problem is with my new email provider (Rackspace), or with classiccmp.
This is the only mail that I?m aware of not coming through. I?m not on as many email
lists as I used to be, but the others seem to be working.
Oddly enough, I?m still getting email at my Aracnet address since regaining email access
to that account.
Zane
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Tomasz
On Sun, Nov 05, 2017 at 09:46:18AM -0800, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote:
This has happened to me too, twice in recent weeks, and not just to me, to a friend here
in the UK too. By "this" I mean, no emails from the list and www.classiccmp.org
not responding. I know around the 20th I wasn?t the only one
having problems. Are
there still issues?
I have had some issues during Oct 21st-22nd (Sat + Sun). Emails from US-based
mailing lists stopped coming. On top of that, www.classiccmp.org was not
responding. On later Sunday afternoon (I was
GMT+2, now I am GMT+1) everything looked normal again and mute lists
all came back either around this time or (I think) during next day or two.
No idea what could have been the cause of this or how widespread it was. I
have not spotted anything in the news, and maybe I will have some time to
spare on thinking more about this puzzle, or maybe not - given that is solved
itself and chances are, very few were affected.
8 Nov
8 Nov
12:04 p.m.
On Tue, Nov 07, 2017 at 08:31:11PM -0800, Zane Healy wrote:
[...]
The only reason I saw these two emails is because I?m CC?d on them.
At least I now know that I can send emails to classiccmp, but I?m
not getting emails from at this address. I?m not sure if the
problem is with my new email provider (Rackspace), or with
classiccmp. This is the only mail that I?m aware of not coming
through. I?m not on as many email lists as I used to be, but the
others seem to be working.
Oddly enough, I?m still getting email at my Aracnet address since
regaining email access to that account.
Zane
Try sending email to cctalk-request at classiccmp.org with subject line
"help" and empty body; see what it tells you - perhaps you can play a
bit with mailman commands.
Perhaps resubscribing will solve the problem?
Other than above, I have no more ideas.
--
Regards,
Tomasz Rola
--
** A C programmer asked whether computer had Buddha's nature. **
** As the answer, master did "rm -rif" on the programmer's home **
** directory. And then the C programmer became enlightened... **
** **
** Tomasz Rola mailto:tomasz_rola at bigfoot.com **
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