7 May
2010
7 May
'10
8:31 p.m.
eBay item number: 320522921808
This is one of John's original hand-built machines. Details in the auction.
It's at $6,400 now. I personally expect that to more than triple by the
end, but that's just me. :)
Erik Klein
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Marketplace
8 May
8 May
2:13 a.m.
Erik Klein wrote:
eBay item number: 320522921808
This is one of John's original hand-built machines. Details in the auction.
It's at $6,400 now. I personally expect that to more than triple by the
end, but that's just me. :)
And that is way beyond what I would like to pay.
Nevertheless I would like to have a go at a machine with serial
datapath, so I am looking for a PCB for the Kenbak.
Several people have recreated the PCB, anyone willing to release the
CAD info, gerber files, or sell me an unpopulated board, modern or old ?
Jos Dreesen
2:27 a.m.
On Sat, 8 May 2010, Jos Dreesen wrote:
And that is way beyond what I would like to pay.
Nevertheless I would like to have a go at a machine with serial datapath, so
I am looking for a PCB for the Kenbak.
Several people have recreated the PCB, anyone willing to release the CAD
info, gerber files, or sell me an unpopulated board, modern or old ?
Grant Stockly makes a replica kit. See http://www.stockly.com/forums/
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2:52 p.m.
David Griffith wrote:
On Sat, 8 May 2010, Jos Dreesen wrote:
Grant is difficult to get hold off these days...
Jos
And that is way beyond what I would like to
pay.
Nevertheless I would like to have a go at a machine with serial
datapath, so I am looking for a PCB for the Kenbak.
Several people have recreated the PCB, anyone willing to release the
CAD info, gerber files, or sell me an unpopulated board, modern or old ?
Grant Stockly makes a replica kit. See http://www.stockly.com/forums/ 
8:27 p.m.
eBay item number: 320522921808
This is one of John's original hand-built machines. Details in the auction.
It's at $6,400 now. I personally expect that to more than triple by the
end, but that's just me. :)
Half-hour to go, it's up to $9,900 .... will be fun to watch this go
up! Wish I could afford to bid. :(
9:02 p.m.
eBay item
number: 320522921808
This is one of John's original hand-built machines. Details in the
auction.
It's at $6,400 now. I personally expect that to more than triple by the
end, but that's just me. :)
Half-hour to go, it's up to $9,900 .... will be fun to watch this go
up! Wish I could afford to bid. :(
9:30 p.m.
Evan Koblentz wrote:
Wow .... with 20 seconds to go, it jumped from 9900 to 20100, then with
five seconds to go it jumped to 25600, then ended.
I can appreciate some degree of added value for this particular unit giving
it's direct providence to Blankenbaker, and as much I might think the Kenbak is
neat for technical reasons such as a minimal processor made from SSI/MSI
devices, bit-serial architecture, and so on, this is one where I really scratch
my head over the dollar value people are placing on them, given their obscurity
in their day and relative lack of influence on computing development.
(just MHO ...)
eBay item
number: 320522921808
This is one of John's original hand-built machines. Details in the
auction.
It's at $6,400 now. I personally expect that to more than triple by the
end, but that's just me. :)
Half-hour to go, it's up to $9,900 .... will be fun to watch this go
up! Wish I could afford to bid. :(
9:34 p.m.
I thought we were in such a horrible recession... seems like people have
a lot of disposable income lately...
$25,000 Kenbak
$31,000 Atari 2600 "Air Raid" boxed Cartridge
$41,000 Rare Nintendo cartridge
Curt
Brent Hilpert wrote:
Evan Koblentz wrote:
Wow .... with 20 seconds to go, it jumped from 9900 to 20100, then with
five seconds to go it jumped to 25600, then ended.
I can appreciate some degree of added value for this particular unit giving
it's direct providence to Blankenbaker, and as much I might think the Kenbak is
neat for technical reasons such as a minimal processor made from SSI/MSI
devices, bit-serial architecture, and so on, this is one where I really scratch
my head over the dollar value people are placing on them, given their obscurity
in their day and relative lack of influence on computing development.
(just MHO ...)
eBay item number: 320522921808
This is one of John's original hand-built machines. Details in the
auction.
It's at $6,400 now. I personally expect that to more than triple by the
end, but that's just me. :)
Half-hour to go, it's up to $9,900 .... will be fun to watch this go
up! Wish I could afford to bid. :(
9:40 p.m.
On May 8, 2010, at 9:34 PM, Curt @ Atari Museum wrote:
I thought we were in such a horrible recession...
seems like people
have a lot of disposable income lately...
$25,000 Kenbak
$31,000 Atari 2600 "Air Raid" boxed Cartridge
$41,000 Rare Nintendo cartridge
The rich don't care that we're (practically) in a depression...why
would they? They're still rich. You and I don't have two dimes to
rub together, but what do they care?
-Dave
--
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Port Charlotte, FL
10 May
10 May
12:59 p.m.
Can you supply a link to the rare Nintendo cartridge, or more info so I can
such for it? (I suspect searching for "rare Nintendo cartridge" would end up
with a few thousand results on eBay (or Google) instead of the one I'm
after)
Regards,
Andrew B
aliensrcooluk at yahoo.co.uk
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To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
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Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 2:34 AM
Subject: Re: Last day for John Blankenbaker's Kenbak-1
I thought we were in such a horrible recession...
seems like people have
a lot of disposable income lately...
$25,000 Kenbak
$31,000 Atari 2600 "Air Raid" boxed Cartridge
$41,000 Rare Nintendo cartridge
Curt
Brent Hilpert wrote:
> Evan Koblentz wrote:
>
>>>> eBay item number: 320522921808
>>>>
>>>> This is one of John's original hand-built machines. Details in the
>>>> auction.
>>>>
>>>> It's at $6,400 now. I personally expect that to more than triple by
the
>>>> end, but that's just me. :)
>>>>
>>> Half-hour to go, it's up to $9,900 .... will be fun to watch this go
>>> up! Wish I could afford to bid. :(
>>>
>>>
>> Wow .... with 20 seconds to go, it jumped from 9900 to 20100, then with
>> five seconds to go it jumped to 25600, then ended.
>>
>
> I can appreciate some degree of added value for this particular unit
giving
> it's direct providence to Blankenbaker, and
as much I might think the
Kenbak is
> neat for technical reasons such as a minimal
processor made from SSI/MSI
> devices, bit-serial architecture, and so on, this is one where I really
scratch
> my head over the dollar value people are placing
on them, given their
obscurity
> in their day and relative lack of influence on
computing development.
> (just MHO ...)
>
>
11 May
11 May
6:05 a.m.
"Andrew Burton" <aliensrcooluk at yahoo.co.uk> writes:
Can you supply a link to the rare Nintendo cartridge,
or more info so
I can such for it?
That'd be one of the two copies of "Stadium Events" that have been
discovered recently. After the first one went for $13,105:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=370330327400
another collector checked his stack of old games, and found a sealed
copy that ended up selling for $41,300:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140384097750
--
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7:13 a.m.
New subject: Nintendo game cartridge on Ebay
The 13,105 item was purchased by wyostartrek ( 346 ) no feedback left
by seller for buyer. Feedback left on 2/14/10
41,300 bid had no feedback links to use for finding the buyer.
for what it's worth, this is over a recalled game, the higher price for
the one which is "factory sealed"
On 5/11/2010 3:05 AM, Adam Sampson wrote:
"Andrew Burton"<aliensrcooluk at
yahoo.co.uk> writes:
Can you supply a link to the rare Nintendo
cartridge, or more info so
I can such for it?
That'd be one of the two copies of "Stadium Events" that have
been
discovered recently. After the first one went for $13,105:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=370330327400
another collector checked his stack of old games, and found a sealed
copy that ended up selling for $41,300:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140384097750
10:31 a.m.
New subject: Nintendo game cartridge on Ebay
jim s wrote:
The 13,105 item was purchased by wyostartrek ( 346 )
no feedback left
by seller for buyer. Feedback left on 2/14/10
41,300 bid had no feedback links to use for finding the buyer.
for what it's worth, this is over a recalled game, the higher price
for the one which is "factory sealed"
Apparently, the new eBay policy for anonymous bidding is not so
anonymous after all
I still wondered if you can still see who was bidding--must be some kind
of reverse search possible on the seller.
=Dan
11:06 a.m.
New subject: Nintendo game cartridge on Ebay
Quoting Dan Roganti <ragooman at comcast.net>:
Apparently, the new eBay policy for anonymous bidding
is not so
anonymous after all
I still wondered if you can still see who was bidding--must be some
kind of reverse search possible on the seller.
I dunno why they made bidding anonymous, it's much harder to spot (as
a bidder), if the thing is being artificallay inflated etc.
Cheers.
Phill.
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Subject: Re: Nintendo game cartridge on Ebay
I dunno why they made bidding anonymous, it's much harder to spot (as
a bidder), if the thing is being artificallay inflated etc.
Cheers.
Phill.
To help shill bidders drive up the price so ebay gets more in fees maybe?
1:37 p.m.
New subject: Nintendo game cartridge on Ebay
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-
bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Teo Zenios
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 9:41 AM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: Nintendo game cartridge on Ebay
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Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 11:06 AM
Subject: Re: Nintendo game cartridge on Ebay
In addition to your astute observation: it also defeats the self-regulating efforts of a
community such as ours, to avoid getting into bidding wars with each other that
artificially inflate prices (and boost ePay fees). Not that I'm cynical.... -- Ian
I dunno why they made bidding anonymous, it's much harder to spot (as
a bidder), if the thing is being artificallay inflated etc.
Cheers.
Phill.
To help shill bidders drive up the price so ebay gets more in fees
maybe?
2:42 p.m.
New subject: Nintendo game cartridge on Ebay
The one thing that's really put me off of buying anything on eBay (unless it's
something I REALLY want) are the shipping and handling charges. They are automatically
calculated these days by eBay, and they always seem ridiculously high.
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Sent: Tue, May 11, 2010 12:37:33 PM
Subject: RE: Nintendo game cartridge on Ebay
-----Original Message-----
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bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Teo Zenios
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 9:41 AM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: Nintendo game cartridge on Ebay
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To: <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 11:06 AM
Subject: Re: Nintendo game cartridge on Ebay
In addition to your astute observation: it also defeats the self-regulating efforts of a
community such as ours, to avoid getting into bidding wars with each other that
artificially inflate prices (and boost ePay fees). Not that I'm cynical.... -- Ian
I dunno why they made bidding anonymous, it's much harder to spot (as
a bidder), if the thing is being artificallay inflated etc.
Cheers.
Phill.
To help shill bidders drive up the price so ebay gets more in fees
maybe?
3:45 p.m.
New subject: Nintendo game cartridge on Ebay
On 5/11/2010 11:42 AM, geoffrey oltmans wrote:
The one thing that's really put me off of buying
anything on eBay (unless it's something I REALLY want) are the shipping and handling
charges. They are automatically calculated these days by eBay, and they always seem
ridiculously high.
The fees that are calculated are based on the volume discount the seller
has. Tiny sellers like me don't count, and I get the same as taking the
thing to a UPS store and paying thru the nose.
The "volume" crap sellers get discounts that drop the fees for them.
I always disable that crap, and state in the body of the sale that costs
are actual, not what ebay will give me.
Jim
11:05 a.m.
New subject: Nintendo game cartridge on Ebay
with very little knowledge of the game systems, what do you mean by
"recalled game"?
curious...
steve shumaker
jim s wrote:
The 13,105 item was purchased by wyostartrek ( 346 )
no feedback left
by seller for buyer. Feedback left on 2/14/10
41,300 bid had no feedback links to use for finding the buyer.
for what it's worth, this is over a recalled game, the higher price
for the one which is "factory sealed"
On 5/11/2010 3:05 AM, Adam Sampson wrote:
"Andrew Burton"<aliensrcooluk at
yahoo.co.uk> writes:
Can you supply a link to the rare Nintendo
cartridge, or more info so
I can such for it?
That'd be one of the two copies of "Stadium
Events" that have been
discovered recently. After the first one went for $13,105:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=370330327400
another collector checked his stack of old games, and found a sealed
copy that ended up selling for $41,300:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140384097750
11:15 a.m.
New subject: Nintendo game cartridge on Ebay
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 4:05 PM, steve shumaker <shumaker at att.net> wrote:
with very little knowledge of the game systems, what
do you mean by
"recalled game"?
curious...
steve shumaker
IIRC in this case the makers recalled the product & most of them went
back from the shops to the manufacturer, who destroyed them.
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1:41 p.m.
New subject: Nintendo game cartridge on Ebay
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-
bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Liam Proven
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 8:15 AM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: Nintendo game cartridge on Ebay
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 4:05 PM, steve shumaker <shumaker at att.net>
wrote:
I Googled this and scanned the results, and did not learn why it was recalled. But it
seems that gaming enthusiasts are a deep-pocketed bunch! I mean, $41.3k and you can't
even play it? (Think about it: removing it from the 'original packaging' would
diminish its value to $13k.)
But it does remind me of one of my favorite software recall stories: Microsoft sold a
collection of clip art that had a search feature. If you searched the word
'monkey' you were presented an image of a family of black people... sitting on the
*monkey bars* at the playground. In an attempt to provide diversity in its collection, MS
learned that no good deed goes unpunished.... -- Ian
with very little knowledge of the game systems,
what do you mean by
"recalled game"?
curious...
steve shumaker
IIRC in this case the makers recalled the product & most of them went
back from the shops to the manufacturer, who destroyed them.
12 May
12 May
12:43 p.m.
New subject: Nintendo game cartridge on Ebay
I'm a little late, so someone may have answered this already.
A "recalled game" is the same as "recalled cars" (or any other item).
It was
defective in some way, for example the beta bug-ridden Metropolis Street
Racer game was accidentally(!) released on the Dreamcast. Once Sega (the
publisher) and the developer (can't recall who) found out they recalled the
game and the official (bug-free) version was released.
In my wisdom, I kept the bug-ridden version! The bugs I remember:
- In 50Hz mode, the sky texture was wrong... they used a building texture
instead!!
- When racing, the opponents cars would occasionally randomly dissappear and
never return (making for an easy win!).
- The custom music editor/player didn't always function as expected.
Regards,
Andrew B
aliensrcooluk at yahoo.co.uk
----- Original Message -----
From: "steve shumaker" <shumaker at att.net>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only" <cctech at classiccmp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 4:05 PM
Subject: Re: Nintendo game cartridge on Ebay
with very little knowledge of the game systems, what
do you mean by
"recalled game"?
curious...
steve shumaker
jim s wrote:
> The 13,105 item was purchased by wyostartrek ( 346 ) no feedback left
> by seller for buyer. Feedback left on 2/14/10
> 41,300 bid had no feedback links to use for finding the buyer.
>
> for what it's worth, this is over a recalled game, the higher price
> for the one which is "factory sealed"
>
>
>
> On 5/11/2010 3:05 AM, Adam Sampson wrote:
>> "Andrew Burton"<aliensrcooluk at yahoo.co.uk> writes:
>>
>>> Can you supply a link to the rare Nintendo cartridge, or more info so
>>> I can such for it?
>> That'd be one of the two copies of "Stadium Events" that have
been
>> discovered recently. After the first one went for $13,105:
>>
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=370330327400
>>
>> another collector checked his stack of old games, and found a sealed
>> copy that ended up selling for $41,300:
>>
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140384097750
>>
>
2:03 p.m.
New subject: Nintendo game cartridge on Ebay
From the wikipedia article, it sounds as though the
game was recalled so that Nintendo could rebrand the game since they bought the rights to
it from Bandai. I was unaware of this, but the Power Pad attachment (and this game)
originated from Bandai and Nintendo subsequently purchased it.
________________________________
From: Andrew Burton <aliensrcooluk at yahoo.co.uk>
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Sent: Wed, May 12, 2010 11:43:38 AM
Subject: Re: Nintendo game cartridge on Ebay
I'm a little late, so someone may have answered this already.
A "recalled game" is the same as "recalled cars" (or any other item).
It was
defective in some way, for example the beta bug-ridden Metropolis Street
Racer game was accidentally(!) released on the Dreamcast. Once Sega (the
publisher) and the developer (can't recall who) found out they recalled the
game and the official (bug-free) version was released.
In my wisdom, I kept the bug-ridden version! The bugs I remember:
- In 50Hz mode, the sky texture was wrong... they used a building texture
instead!!
- When racing, the opponents cars would occasionally randomly dissappear and
never return (making for an easy win!).
- The custom music editor/player didn't always function as expected.
Regards,
Andrew B
aliensrcooluk at yahoo.co.uk
----- Original Message -----
From: "steve shumaker" <shumaker at att.net>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only" <cctech at classiccmp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 4:05 PM
Subject: Re: Nintendo game cartridge on Ebay
with very little knowledge of the game systems, what
do you mean by
"recalled game"?
curious...
steve shumaker
jim s wrote:
> The 13,105 item was purchased by wyostartrek ( 346 ) no feedback left
> by seller for buyer. Feedback left on 2/14/10
> 41,300 bid had no feedback links to use for finding the buyer.
>
> for what it's worth, this is over a recalled game, the higher price
> for the one which is "factory sealed"
>
>
>
> On 5/11/2010 3:05 AM, Adam Sampson wrote:
>> "Andrew Burton"<aliensrcooluk at yahoo.co.uk> writes:
>>
>>> Can you supply a link to the rare Nintendo cartridge, or more info so
>>> I can such for it?
>> That'd be one of the two copies of "Stadium Events" that have
been
>> discovered recently. After the first one went for $13,105:
>>
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=370330327400
>>
>> another collector checked his stack of old games, and found a sealed
>> copy that ended up selling for $41,300:
>>
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140384097750
>>
>
14 May
14 May
2:04 p.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Adam Sampson" <ats at offog.org>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: Last day for John Blankenbaker's Kenbak-1
"Andrew Burton" <aliensrcooluk at
yahoo.co.uk> writes:
Thanks.
Wow, I can't believe they went for so much... even if they are a rare Bandai
branded game. I don't have any NES games, or a NES, myself... yet.
Regards,
Andrew B
aliensrcooluk at yahoo.co.uk
Can you supply a link to the rare Nintendo
cartridge, or more info so
I can such for it?
That'd be one of the two copies of "Stadium Events" that have been
discovered recently. After the first one went for $13,105:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=370330327400
another collector checked his stack of old games, and found a sealed
copy that ended up selling for $41,300:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140384097750
8 May
8 May
9:38 p.m.
On May 8, 2010, at 9:30 PM, Brent Hilpert wrote:
Apparently other people have different ideas of why it's
important. Lack of commonality and lack of influence in the future
are only two possible things that one might find important.
Why am I a PDP-11 fanatic? Because I LIKE them, nothing more. I
couldn't care less about the fact that it was an influential
architecture with common implementations. This is just an example.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
Port Charlotte, FL
Wow .... with
20 seconds to go, it jumped from 9900 to 20100, then
with
five seconds to go it jumped to 25600, then ended.
I can appreciate some degree of added value for this particular
unit giving
it's direct providence to Blankenbaker, and as much I might think
the Kenbak is
neat for technical reasons such as a minimal processor made from
SSI/MSI
devices, bit-serial architecture, and so on, this is one where I
really scratch
my head over the dollar value people are placing on them, given
their obscurity
in their day and relative lack of influence on computing development.
(just MHO ...) 
9:51 p.m.
From: mcguire at neurotica.com
Subject: Re: Last day for John Blankenbaker's Kenbak-1
Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 21:38:57 -0400
To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
On May 8, 2010, at 9:30 PM, Brent Hilpert wrote:
Apparently other people have different ideas of why it's
important. Lack of commonality and lack of influence in the future
are only two possible things that one might find important.
Why am I a PDP-11 fanatic? Because I LIKE them, nothing more. I
couldn't care less about the fact that it was an influential
architecture with common implementations. This is just an example.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
Port Charlotte, FL
Anybody consider the fact/possibility that these auctions are not real?
Rare does not equate to value. Heck, smack myself, 15 years ago I put 8 19" ISC
InterColor on the sidewalk for the trash.
Wish I had one or two back now.
Somebody perhaps loves this stuff, just to look at it. I think the group here more likely
USES IT, in the form of restoration of the hardware or emulation of the code if there is
no (or cant afford) the hardware.
Randy
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Wow ....
with 20 seconds to go, it jumped from 9900 to 20100, then
with
five seconds to go it jumped to 25600, then ended.
I can appreciate some degree of added value for this particular
unit giving
it's direct providence to Blankenbaker, and as much I might think
the Kenbak is
neat for technical reasons such as a minimal processor made from
SSI/MSI
devices, bit-serial architecture, and so on, this is one where I
really scratch
my head over the dollar value people are placing on them, given
their obscurity
in their day and relative lack of influence on computing development.
(just MHO ...)
10:30 p.m.
On May 8, 2010, at 9:51 PM, Randy Dawson wrote:
Umm...no?
Apparently
other people have different ideas of why it's
important. Lack of commonality and lack of influence in the future
are only two possible things that one might find important.
Why am I a PDP-11 fanatic? Because I LIKE them, nothing more. I
couldn't care less about the fact that it was an influential
architecture with common implementations. This is just an example.
Anybody consider the fact/possibility that these auctions are not
real? Rare does not equate to value. Heck, smack myself, 15
years ago I
put 8 19" ISC InterColor on the sidewalk for the trash.
Wish I had one or two back now.
Yeah really.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
Port Charlotte, FL
9 May
9 May
2:58 a.m.
Dave McGuire wrote:
On May 8, 2010, at 9:30 PM, Brent Hilpert wrote:
Apparently other people have different ideas of why it's
important. Lack of commonality and lack of influence in the future
are only two possible things that one might find important.
Yes, yes; other people have different values, etc., that's well and fine,
but it doesn't answer what values are being applied to the kenbak to give
it such a high dollar value (it's not just one or two individuals).
I understand there is some claim, by some definition, to it being the 'first'
'personal computer', and it has it's place in computing history; but in
context
of the period, other items from the period, etc., it strikes me as
idiosyncratically high.
Wow ....
with 20 seconds to go, it jumped from 9900 to 20100, then
with
five seconds to go it jumped to 25600, then ended.
I can appreciate some degree of added value for this particular
unit giving
it's direct providence to Blankenbaker, and as much I might think
the Kenbak is
neat for technical reasons such as a minimal processor made from
SSI/MSI
devices, bit-serial architecture, and so on, this is one where I
really scratch
my head over the dollar value people are placing on them, given
their obscurity
in their day and relative lack of influence on computing development.
(just MHO ...)
11:24 a.m.
On May 9, 2010, at 2:58 AM, Brent Hilpert wrote:
Apparently other people have different ideas of why it's
important. Lack of commonality and lack of influence in the future
are only two possible things that one might find important.
Yes, yes; other people have different values, etc., that's well and
fine,
but it doesn't answer what values are being applied to the kenbak
to give
it such a high dollar value (it's not just one or two individuals).
I understand there is some claim, by some definition, to it being
the 'first'
'personal computer', and it has it's place in computing history;
but in context
of the period, other items from the period, etc., it strikes me as
idiosyncratically high.
Well, fifty bucks would be "idiosyncratically high" for this list,
you've gotta admit. ;)
All I'm saying is that value is determined by the buyer and the
rest of us don't necessarily know their reasoning and don't really
have any room to say they're wrong.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
Port Charlotte, FL
Wow .... with
20 seconds to go, it jumped from 9900 to 20100, then
with
five seconds to go it jumped to 25600, then ended.
I can appreciate some degree of added value for this particular
unit giving
it's direct providence to Blankenbaker, and as much I might think
the Kenbak is
neat for technical reasons such as a minimal processor made from
SSI/MSI
devices, bit-serial architecture, and so on, this is one where I
really scratch
my head over the dollar value people are placing on them, given
their obscurity
in their day and relative lack of influence on computing
development.
(just MHO ...)
1:32 p.m.
Dave McGuire wrote:
On May 9, 2010, at 2:58 AM, Brent Hilpert wrote:
...
Dave McGuire wrote:
Well, fifty bucks would be "idiosyncratically high" for this list,
you've gotta admit. ;)
All I'm saying is that value is determined by the buyer and the
rest of us don't necessarily know their reasoning and don't really
have any room to say they're wrong.
.. which I'm allowing for, I'm not saying they are 'wrong'.
I see from web pages that the (Boston) Computer Museum declared it the 'first
personal computer'. To phrase it as a question, one could ask were it not for
that declaration from a 'recognised' institution, would it have near the dollar
valuations that it is receiving?
Idle musing, I was interested in asking for examples of programs - period or
new - that have been written for and executed on the kenbak. In answer, I see
on Erik Klein's page there is some mention of programs, including
Blankenbaker's own 3D tic-tac-toe which just squeezed into the 256 bytes of memory.
Further idle musing, does anyone have some figures for how much a Busicom
calculator using a 4004 has sold for in recent years?
Apparently other people have different ideas of why it's
important. Lack of commonality and lack of influence in the future
are only two possible things that one might find important.
Yes, yes; other people have different values, etc., that's well and
fine,
but it doesn't answer what values are being applied to the kenbak
to give
it such a high dollar value (it's not just one or two individuals).
I understand there is some claim, by some definition, to it being
the 'first'
'personal computer', and it has it's place in computing history;
but in context
of the period, other items from the period, etc., it strikes me as
idiosyncratically high.
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