9 Apr
2011
9 Apr
'11
7:53 a.m.
heh...
http://finance.yahoo.com/family-home/article/112510/new-commodore-64-nyt
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9 Apr
9 Apr
8:43 a.m.
On 9 Apr 2011 at 10:53, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote:
I wonder how many support calls they'll get when customers try to
shove old 5.25" C64 floppies into the CD slot...
To my eye, the proportions of the thing don't look quite right. It
looks quite a bit "thicker" (i.e. vertical dimension) than the
original C64.
So what's next? A S/360-40 lookalike with a P4 motherboard tucked
inside?
--Chuck
9:13 a.m.
first of all, its vaporware - doesn't exist yet (taking orders does not mean
product).
secondly, just because it looks like a c64, doesn't make it a c64
its a PC running emulation software and cannot read or write real c64 disks either 1581 or
1541and you couldn't connect such a drive and make it work.
why not just buy a mini pc for $100-$300 and run the emulation software yourself?
oh, yeah it wouldn't look like a c64? ok, paint it.
anyone who buys one of these is a moron ;)
From: cclist at sydex.com
To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 08:43:32 -0700
Subject: Re: *NEW* C64!
On 9 Apr 2011 at 10:53, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote:
I wonder how many support calls they'll get when customers try to
shove old 5.25" C64 floppies into the CD slot...
To my eye, the proportions of the thing don't look quite right. It
looks quite a bit "thicker" (i.e. vertical dimension) than the
original C64.
So what's next? A S/360-40 lookalike with a P4 motherboard tucked
inside?
--Chuck
2:35 p.m.
On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 11:13 AM, Dan Gahlinger <dgahling at hotmail.com> wrote:
its a PC running emulation software and cannot read or write real c64 disks either 1581
or 1541and you couldn't connect such a drive and make it work.
why not just buy a mini pc for $100-$300 and run the emulation software yourself?
I was thinking the same thing. I was hoping that they had put a
catweasel in there or at least a PCI slot for one. Then you could put
two SID chips on it, get two 9-pin joystick ports, and be able to
write floppies. I'd much rather have a floppy drive in place of the
dvd drive.
brian
11 Apr
11 Apr
1:10 p.m.
--- On Sat, 4/9/11, Dan Gahlinger <dgahling at hotmail.com> wrote:
why not just buy a mini pc for $100-$300 and run the
emulation software yourself?
nooooo. Get a pentium based sbc and jam it in an old 64's case. or a c16. It's
said if you go black, you never go back...
oh, yeah it wouldn't look like a c64? ok, paint
it.
yep paint it black. black as night black as coal. aamof I see a red door calling my
name...
anyone who buys one of these is a moron ;)
o man I'm w/you on this one. Especially at 250-900$. I first 64 I bought was 100$. Had
to go to Penn Station, down in the basement, to get that price though. I distinctly
remember pulling down the road as my parents were leaving. They saw me coddling the thing
in my arms like a baby, and rolled their eyes. I just bought my first pc compat around a
week earlier.
9 Apr
9 Apr
9:39 a.m.
It may have to be a little different in the dimensions to accomodate the
Mini ITX motherboard that is inside of it. Its a great idea, but
the pricing seems very high.
Chuck Guzis wrote:
On 9 Apr 2011 at 10:53, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote:
I wonder how many support calls they'll get when customers try to
shove old 5.25" C64 floppies into the CD slot...
To my eye, the proportions of the thing don't look quite right. It
looks quite a bit "thicker" (i.e. vertical dimension) than the
original C64.
So what's next? A S/360-40 lookalike with a P4 motherboard tucked
inside?
--Chuck
9:48 a.m.
I wonder how many support calls they'll get when
customers try to
shove old 5.25" C64 floppies into the CD slot...
I'd rather have the Chameleon. Neat, and isn't vapourware.
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10:18 a.m.
At 9:48 AM -0700 4/9/11, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
The Chameleon provides something I need. The C64x (I think that's
the right name) doesn't. I hope to eventually have a Chameleon, but
I'd just as soon let it mature some.
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I wonder how
many support calls they'll get when customers try to
shove old 5.25" C64 floppies into the CD slot...
I'd rather have the Chameleon. Neat, and isn't vapourware. 
5:27 p.m.
On Sat, 9 Apr 2011, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
I'd rather have the Chameleon. Neat, and isn't
vapourware.
When the Chameleon 325 (perhaps the only machine to ever use 3.25" drives
(that Dysan bet the companyt on)) was announced, it WAS vaporware for a
while, as exposed by Infoworld?. (Being made in Bawlmer (Baltimore), it
was "vaporware", not "vapourware")
But, you are probably not talking about the original classic "Chameleon".
Real C64 drives have been connected to PCs in several ways, ranging from
IEEE-488 to parallel port hacks. Why COULDN'T this new attempt have an
adapter made tfor 1541 drives? Why isn't there a USB adapter for old C64
drives?
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10 Apr
10 Apr
5:17 a.m.
On 10 April 2011 01:27, Fred Cisin <cisin at xenosoft.com> wrote:
On Sat, 9 Apr 2011, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
What he said!
It's not really a C64, no. But the handful of people still interested
in an actual C64 of some form probably have one. In fact they probably
have several each.
It's a generic x86 PC, the bog-standard commodity computer of the 21st
century. (Not even a particularly good one. Atom chips are rubbish.
I'd rather have an AMD Fusion chip or something, myself.) In other
words, it's what people expect and want when they buy a computer
today. An /actual/ C64, no matter how much enhanced, would be a
paperweight for most people.
But it will run C64 software. That's a triumph in the circumstances.
Don't knock it. It's just a 64-shaped PC for nostalgics. It has more
chance of selling than an actual C64-compatible ever would.
As for their Amiga range - just case designs at the moment - well,
that's different. AmigaOS is still alive (just) and has a tiny tiny
shred of a chance.
I'd do 2 or 3 machines if it was me.
A cheap Minimig in a desktop case, for nostalgic gamers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimig
A Hackintosh-compatible PC (i.e. a cheapo clone specified to be
compatible with Mac OS X via an EFI dongle.) Run AROS on it, out of
the box, vaguely justifying claims of Amiga name.
http://aros.sourceforge.net/
Icaros is a somewhat usable distribution of AROS:
http://www.icarosdesktop.org/
And possibly a cheap PowerPC box with AmigaOS 4.1
http://hyperion-entertainment.biz/
... for real Amiga enthusiasts - but since they've done a deal with Bill McEwen:
http://www.amiga.com/news/2010-08-31-commodore-amiga-aio.php
... then I doubt that will happen.
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I'd rather have the Chameleon. Neat, and
isn't vapourware.
When the Chameleon 325 (perhaps the only machine to ever use 3.25" drives
(that Dysan bet the companyt on)) was announced, it WAS vaporware for a
while, as exposed by Infoworld?. ?(Being made in Bawlmer (Baltimore), it
was "vaporware", not "vapourware")
But, you are probably not talking about the original classic "Chameleon".
Real C64 drives have been connected to PCs in several ways, ranging from
IEEE-488 to parallel port hacks. ?Why COULDN'T this new attempt have an
adapter made tfor 1541 drives? ?Why isn't there a USB adapter for old C64
drives? 
10:46 a.m.
> Real C64 drives have been connected to PCs in
several ways, ranging from
> IEEE-488 to parallel port hacks. ?Why COULDN'T this new attempt have an
> adapter made tfor 1541 drives? ?Why isn't there a USB adapter for old C64
> drives?
like http://www.root.org/~nate/c64/xum1541/ ?
12:11 p.m.
zoomfloppy for the win!
http://store.go4retro.com/products/ZoomFloppy.html
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 07:46:51 -1000
Subject: Re: *NEW* C64!
From: tim.newsham+cctalk at gmail.com
To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
CC: cctech at classiccmp.org
> Real C64 drives have been connected to PCs in
several ways, ranging from
> IEEE-488 to parallel port hacks. Why COULDN'T this new attempt have an
> adapter made tfor 1541 drives? Why isn't there a USB adapter for old C64
> drives?
like http://www.root.org/~nate/c64/xum1541/ ?
11 Apr
11 Apr
1:18 p.m.
--- On Sat, 4/9/11, Fred Cisin <cisin at xenosoft.com> wrote:
wrote:
didn't at least one Amstrad machine use 3.25" drives?
What's a Chameleon? You guys are making me think of the Mimic or something...
I'd rather have the Chameleon. Neat, and
isn't
vapourware.
When the Chameleon 325 (perhaps the only machine to ever
use 3.25" drives
(that Dysan bet the companyt on)) was announced, it WAS
vaporware for a
while, as exposed by Infoworld?.? (Being made in
Bawlmer (Baltimore), it
was "vaporware", not "vapourware")
3:34 p.m.
--- On Mon, 4/11/11, Chuck Guzis <cclist at sydex.com> wrote:
yes indeed. But what "that" Chameleon has to do w/the Commie 64 I can't
figure out. I forget, I think someone said "I'd rather have a Chameleon".
They were referring to the Seequa Chameleon? I'm confused.
? What's a
Chameleon? You guys are making me think
of the Mimic or
? something...
Do the name "Seequa" mean anything to ya? :)
3:03 p.m.
When the Chameleon 325 (perhaps the only machine to
ever use 3.25"
drives (that Dysan bet the companyt on)) was announced, it WAS vaporware
for a while, as exposed by Infoworld?.? (Being made in Bawlmer
(Baltimore), it was "vaporware", not "vapourware")
On Mon, 11 Apr 2011, Chris M wrote:
didn't at least one Amstrad machine use 3.25"
drives?
I've seen Amstrads with 3" drives.
I've seen Amstrads with 3.5" drives.
I have NEVER seen an Amstrad with 3.25" drives.
BUT, 3.25" drives were available with a very ordinary "SA400" interface,
so it was trivial to install them into anything using "industry standard"
drives. (Watch out for the polarity on the power connector adapter!)
Most of my 3.25" drives, disks, alignment disks, etc. came from Micropro,
after they changed their name to Wordsatr, Inc., embraced Windoze, and
started to circle the drain. They had, of course, heeded Dysan's advice
about "the next big format change", or at least taken advantage of Dysan
based subsidies.
There were many arguments about "Shirt pocket Diskette" standard. George
Morrow declared that the real answer lay in cutting a deal with the
garment industry to control the size of shirt pockets.
What's a Chameleon? You guys are making me think
of the Mimic or
something...
Don't know. Sorry.
The ChameleonS that I saw were pretty generic CP/M luggables.
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3:36 p.m.
--- On Mon, 4/11/11, Fred Cisin <cisin at xenosoft.com> wrote:
There were many arguments about "Shirt pocket
Diskette"
standard.? George
Morrow declared that the real answer lay in cutting a deal
with the
garment industry to control the size of shirt pockets.
Oh now that's goofy.
I think they just should have adopted the 2" standard. I'd have less woes at the
moment, that's all I know.
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