28 Oct
2017
28 Oct
'17
3:03 a.m.
I am looking at buying a pocket PC / PDA, so I can write idea/notes when
I am away from my computer
the [Psion 3](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psion_Series_3) and [Psion
5](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psion_Series_5) look like good options,
but i read about the hinge/screen issues
I am leaning more towards the Psion 5 because of the easy of getting
accessories,
but it has more things to break
but I am wounding about other options?
28 Oct
28 Oct
12:52 p.m.
On 28 October 2017 at 12:03, tom sparks via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
I am looking at buying a pocket PC / PDA, so I can
write idea/notes when I
am away from my computer
the [Psion 3](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psion_Series_3) and [Psion
5](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psion_Series_5) look like good options,
but i read about the hinge/screen issues
I am leaning more towards the Psion 5 because of the easy of getting
accessories,
but it has more things to break
but I am wounding about other options?
"Wondering"? :-)
There were a few classics. IME the Psion 5/5mx keyboard was the best
by a country mile, but they're old and fragile now.
HP 200LX.
http://ktgee.net/post/100483254827/hp-200lx-review-an-ibm-pc-xt-in-your-poc…
HP Jornada 720 or 728, possibly the ultimate ARM PocketPC devices.
http://ktgee.net/post/99630645047/hp-jornada-720-review-hps-last-palmtop
NTT Docomo Sigmarion 3:
http://www.hpcfactor.com/reviews/hardware/ntt-do-co-mo/sigmarion-3/
Late-model NEC MobilePro, e.g. 900C:
https://www.revolvy.com/main/index.php?s=MobilePro&item_type=topic
The GDP Pocket is a sort of modern equivalent and is actually on sale now:
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/gpd-pocket-7-0-umpc-laptop-ubuntu-or-win…
The Gemini PDA looks more Psion-like -- the GDP is really just a very
small miniaturised laptop -- but it's not ready yet.
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/gemini-pda-android-linux-keyboard-mobile…
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1:01 p.m.
> I am looking at buying a pocket PC / PDA, so I can
write idea/notes when I
> am away from my computer
Hi Tom.
Welcome to 1997. :-)
the [Psion
3](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psion_Series_3) and [Psion
5](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psion_Series_5) look like good options,
but i read about the hinge/screen issues
I am leaning more towards the Psion 5 because of the easy of getting
accessories,
but it has more things to break
but I am wounding about other options?
"Wondering"? :-) 
4:19 p.m.
If you are interested I have a HP jornada 680 with the charger and the
serial cable. I used it as a serial terminal until I replaced it with
a netbook.
I have not used it in a while, when you need something compact with a
real keyboard, it gets the job done.
--Devin
On Sat, Oct 28, 2017 at 4:01 PM, Evan Koblentz via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
Tom - Here's the dilemma. The pocket-sized DOS computers (HP-200, Atari
Portfolio, etc.) are too small for their keyboards to be useful. The larger
ones (all the Windows CE stuff that Liam mentioned, along with the awesome
Psion Series 7/Psion Netbook) have good keyboards and screens, but they're
fragile and kind of exotic for modern purposes.
For me, the solution is modern produts. I use a high-end Android smartphone
and a low-end Chromebook. Either one is excellent when I need a quick/simple
note-taking device. With the phone I use the "Google Keep" app for quite
notes/lists. With the Chromebook I use an offline app just called "Text"
because it's extremely fast and has good options.
> I am
looking at buying a pocket PC / PDA, so I can write idea/notes when
> I
> am away from my computer
Hi Tom.
Welcome to 1997. :-)
the
[Psion 3](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psion_Series_3) and [Psion
5](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psion_Series_5) look like good options,
but i read about the hinge/screen issues
I am leaning more towards the Psion 5 because of the easy of getting
accessories,
but it has more things to break
but I am wounding about other options?
"Wondering"? :-)
29 Oct
29 Oct
3:05 a.m.
On 29/10/17 06:01, Evan Koblentz wrote:
Tom - Here's the dilemma. The pocket-sized DOS computers (HP-200,
Atari Portfolio, etc.) are too small for their keyboards to be useful.
The larger ones (all the Windows CE stuff that Liam mentioned, along
with the awesome Psion Series 7/Psion Netbook) have good keyboards and
screens, but they're fragile and kind of exotic for modern purposes.
For me, the solution is modern produts. I use a high-end Android
smartphone and a low-end Chromebook. Either one is excellent when I
need a quick/simple note-taking device. With the phone I use the
"Google Keep" app for quite notes/lists. With the Chromebook I use an
offline app just called "Text" because it's extremely fast and has
good options. I want something that has anti-procrastinate features (no internet,
no
videos, no mp3s, etc),
long battery life (40+ hours),
easy replaceable batteries
PS: I am adding it to my "off-line" gobag also
> I am
looking at buying a pocket PC / PDA, so I can write idea/notes
> when I
> am away from my computer
Hi Tom.
Welcome to 1997. :-)
the
[Psion 3](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psion_Series_3) and [Psion
5](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psion_Series_5) look like good
options,
but i read about the hinge/screen issues
I am leaning more towards the Psion 5 because of the easy of getting
accessories,
but it has more things to break
but I am wounding about other options?
"Wondering"? :-) 
8:22 a.m.
Radio Shack M100 (if you've got a large pocket); still used by some writers for the
very reason you mention.
m
----- Original Message -----
From: "tom sparks via cctalk" <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at
classiccmp.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2017 6:05 AM
Subject: Re: looking at buying a pocket PC / PDA
On 29/10/17 06:01, Evan Koblentz wrote:
Tom - Here's the dilemma. The pocket-sized DOS computers (HP-200,
Atari Portfolio, etc.) are too small for their keyboards to be useful.
The larger ones (all the Windows CE stuff that Liam mentioned, along
with the awesome Psion Series 7/Psion Netbook) have good keyboards and
screens, but they're fragile and kind of exotic for modern purposes.
For me, the solution is modern produts. I use a high-end Android
smartphone and a low-end Chromebook. Either one is excellent when I
need a quick/simple note-taking device. With the phone I use the
"Google Keep" app for quite notes/lists. With the Chromebook I use an
offline app just called "Text" because it's extremely fast and has
good options. I want something that has anti-procrastinate features (no internet,
no
videos, no mp3s, etc),
long battery life (40+ hours),
easy replaceable batteries
PS: I am adding it to my "off-line" gobag also
> I am
looking at buying a pocket PC / PDA, so I can write idea/notes
> when I
> am away from my computer
Hi Tom.
Welcome to 1997. :-)
the
[Psion 3](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psion_Series_3) and [Psion
5](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psion_Series_5) look like good
options,
but i read about the hinge/screen issues
I am leaning more towards the Psion 5 because of the easy of getting
accessories,
but it has more things to break
but I am wounding about other options?
"Wondering"? :-) 
8:53 a.m.
On 29/10/17 15:22, Mike Stein via cctalk wrote:
Radio Shack M100 (if you've got a large pocket);
still used by some writers for the very reason you mention.
m
On 29/10/17 06:01, Evan Koblentz wrote:
>>>> I am looking at buying a pocket PC / PDA, so I can write idea/notes
>>>> when I
>>>> am away from my computer
>>
I was also thinking of something a little bit bigger, such as the M100.?
The Cambridge Z88 is an excellent machine and they are still being sold
new in box.
?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambridge_Z88
Lorry
11:41 a.m.
On 29 October 2017 at 16:53, Lawrence Woodman via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
I was also thinking of something a little bit bigger, such as the M100. The
Cambridge Z88 is an excellent machine and they are still being sold new in
box.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambridge_Z88
A fair point. I have one. I must send it off to Rakewell and get it
upgraded and maxed out. I think they can take 512 kB of RAM now, and
there are Flash media with a meg on.
http://www.rakewell.com/z88/z88.shtml
The OS, OZ, is still in development, remarkably.
https://sourceforge.net/p/z88/news/2016/12/cambridge-z88-rom-v47-released/
The big snag is still that it's relatively hard to get files /off/ the
things and into a modern computer.
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2:49 p.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lawrence Woodman via cctalk" <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
To: <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2017 11:53 AM
Subject: Re: looking at buying a pocket PC / PDA
On 29/10/17 15:22, Mike Stein via cctalk wrote:
--------
Well, as I said if you don't mind smaller text and buying a slightly larger bag there
are quite a few pretty nice word processors out there, and most of them have either RS232,
USB or wireless transfer capability built in. If you're lucky you might even find one
with its own bag ;-)
For example there's the NTS Dream Writer series; e.g.:
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/NTS-Computer-DreamWriter-T400-IR-Word-Processor-TEST…
or the Alphasmarts; e.g.:
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Lot-2-AlphaSmart-Dana-Portable-Word-Processor/222696…
(No connection to seller)
m
Radio Shack M100 (if you've got a large
pocket); still used by some writers for the very reason you mention.
m
On 29/10/17 06:01, Evan Koblentz wrote:
>>>> I am looking at buying a pocket PC / PDA, so I can write idea/notes
>>>> when I
>>>> am away from my computer
>>
I was also thinking of something a little bit bigger, such as the M100.
The Cambridge Z88 is an excellent machine and they are still being sold
new in box.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambridge_Z88
Lorry
10:39 a.m.
On 30/10/17 01:22, Mike Stein wrote:
Radio Shack M100 (if you've got a large pocket);
still used by some writers for the very reason you mention.
m
I did look at M100 and clones, but I ruled them out, as could not use
them without extra hardware to get some DOS-like filesystem
----- Original Message -----
From: "tom sparks via cctalk" <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at
classiccmp.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2017 6:05 AM
Subject: Re: looking at buying a pocket PC / PDA
>
> On 29/10/17 06:01, Evan Koblentz wrote:
>>>> I am looking at buying a pocket PC / PDA, so I can write idea/notes
>>>> when I
>>>> am away from my computer
>> Hi Tom.
>>
>> Welcome to 1997. :-)
>>
>>
>>>> the [Psion 3](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psion_Series_3) and [Psion
>>>> 5](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psion_Series_5) look like good
>>>> options,
>>>> but i read about the hinge/screen issues
>>>>
>>>> I am leaning more towards the Psion 5 because of the easy of getting
>>>> accessories,
>>>> but it has more things to break
>>>>
>>>> but I am wounding about other options?
>>> "Wondering"? :-)
>>
>> Tom - Here's the dilemma. The pocket-sized DOS computers (HP-200,
>> Atari Portfolio, etc.) are too small for their keyboards to be useful.
>> The larger ones (all the Windows CE stuff that Liam mentioned, along
>> with the awesome Psion Series 7/Psion Netbook) have good keyboards and
>> screens, but they're fragile and kind of exotic for modern purposes.
>>
>> For me, the solution is modern produts. I use a high-end Android
>> smartphone and a low-end Chromebook. Either one is excellent when I
>> need a quick/simple note-taking device. With the phone I use the
>> "Google Keep" app for quite notes/lists. With the Chromebook I use an
>> offline app just called "Text" because it's extremely fast and has
>> good options.
> I want something that has anti-procrastinate features (no internet, no
> videos, no mp3s, etc),
> long battery life (40+ hours),
> easy replaceable batteries
>
> PS: I am adding it to my "off-line" gobag also
11:14 a.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: "tom sparks" <tomasparks.ts at gmail.com>
To: "Mike Stein" <mhs.stein at gmail.com>; "General Discussion:
On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2017 1:39 PM
Subject: Re: looking at buying a pocket PC / PDA
On 30/10/17 01:22, Mike Stein wrote:
-----------
The internal file system isn't an issue for most people; the max ~30KB RAM disk (and
file) size can be a limiting factor, but like many similar units you transfer files in and
out via built-in utilities and an RS232 cable or $10.00 bluetooth dongle to whatever file
system is at the other end including Android and the other main OSs.
But as you mentioned, if you otherwise like the unit and can live with an 8x40 (albeit
large and very legible) screen, there are various modern expansion options available,
including CP/M emulation (under active development).
What makes it still a popular unit are the character size and legibility, the excellent
keyboard and the long 4xAA cell battery life; the otherwise identical T102 is a thinner
and lighter version.
m
-------------
Radio Shack M100 (if you've got a large
pocket); still used by some writers for the very reason you mention.
m
I did look at M100 and clones, but I ruled them out, as could not use
them without extra hardware to get some DOS-like filesystem ----- Original
Message -----
From: "tom sparks via cctalk" <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at
classiccmp.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2017 6:05 AM
Subject: Re: looking at buying a pocket PC / PDA
>
> On 29/10/17 06:01, Evan Koblentz wrote:
>>>> I am looking at buying a pocket PC / PDA, so I can write idea/notes
>>>> when I
>>>> am away from my computer
>> Hi Tom.
>>
>> Welcome to 1997. :-)
>>
>>
>>>> the [Psion 3](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psion_Series_3) and [Psion
>>>> 5](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psion_Series_5) look like good
>>>> options,
>>>> but i read about the hinge/screen issues
>>>>
>>>> I am leaning more towards the Psion 5 because of the easy of getting
>>>> accessories,
>>>> but it has more things to break
>>>>
>>>> but I am wounding about other options?
>>> "Wondering"? :-)
>>
>> Tom - Here's the dilemma. The pocket-sized DOS computers (HP-200,
>> Atari Portfolio, etc.) are too small for their keyboards to be useful.
>> The larger ones (all the Windows CE stuff that Liam mentioned, along
>> with the awesome Psion Series 7/Psion Netbook) have good keyboards and
>> screens, but they're fragile and kind of exotic for modern purposes.
>>
>> For me, the solution is modern produts. I use a high-end Android
>> smartphone and a low-end Chromebook. Either one is excellent when I
>> need a quick/simple note-taking device. With the phone I use the
>> "Google Keep" app for quite notes/lists. With the Chromebook I use an
>> offline app just called "Text" because it's extremely fast and has
>> good options.
> I want something that has anti-procrastinate features (no internet, no
> videos, no mp3s, etc),
> long battery life (40+ hours),
> easy replaceable batteries
>
> PS: I am adding it to my "off-line" gobag also
1:38 p.m.
On 30/10/17 04:14, Mike Stein wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: "tom sparks" <tomasparks.ts at gmail.com>
To: "Mike Stein" <mhs.stein at gmail.com>; "General Discussion:
On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2017 1:39 PM
Subject: Re: looking at buying a pocket PC / PDA
30KB is a limiting factor me, as I dont know
how many text files i want
to store
On 30/10/17 01:22, Mike Stein wrote:
-----------
The internal file system isn't an issue for most people; the max ~30KB RAM disk (and
file) size can be a limiting factor, Radio Shack M100 (if you've got a large
pocket); still used by some writers for the very reason you mention.
m
I did look at M100 and clones, but I ruled them out, as could not use
them without extra hardware to get some DOS-like filesystem but like many similar units you transfer files in
and out via built-in utilities and an RS232 cable or $10.00 bluetooth dongle to whatever
file system is at the other end including Android and the other main OSs.
I dont
want to bring another computing device with me to act as storage,
I want download all the data before I go and upload it when I return or
use a "dial-up" connection[^1]
But as you mentioned, if you otherwise like the unit and can live with an 8x40 (albeit
large and very legible) screen, there are various modern expansion options available,
including CP/M emulation (under active development).
What makes it still a popular unit are the character size and legibility, the excellent
keyboard and the long 4xAA cell battery life; the otherwise identical T102 is a thinner
and lighter version.
the final nail in the coffin for m100 is the size of my go bag
( 23 * 16
* 1.5cm)
m
-------------
[^1]: I am really unsure if I want to go down the TCP/IP path
2:16 p.m.
the final nail in the coffin for m100 is the size of
my go bag ( 23 * 16 * 1.5cm)
--
Definitely a deal breaker ;-)
But yes, without a memory expansion of some sort the limited RAM size can be frustrating;
if you don't mind smaller text sizes or shorter battery life then there are many
alternatives, both vintage and modern.
m
----- Original Message -----
From: tom sparks
To: Mike Stein ; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2017 4:38 PM
Subject: Re: looking at buying a pocket PC / PDA
On 30/10/17 04:14, Mike Stein wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: "tom sparks" <tomasparks.ts at gmail.com>
To: "Mike Stein" <mhs.stein at gmail.com>; "General Discussion:
On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2017 1:39 PM
Subject: Re: looking at buying a pocket PC / PDA
On 30/10/17 01:22, Mike Stein wrote:
Radio Shack M100 (if you've got a large pocket); still used by some writers for the
very reason you mention.
m
I did look at M100 and clones, but I ruled them out, as could not use
them without extra hardware to get some DOS-like filesystem
-----------
The internal file system isn't an issue for most people; the max ~30KB RAM disk (and
file) size can be a limiting factor,30KB is a limiting factor me, as I dont know how many
text files i want to store
but like many similar units you transfer files in and out via built-in utilities and an
RS232 cable or $10.00 bluetooth dongle to whatever file system is at the other end
including Android and the other main OSs.I dont want to bring another computing device
with me to act as storage,
I want download all the data before I go and upload it when I return or use a
"dial-up" connection[^1]
But as you mentioned, if you otherwise like the unit and can live with an 8x40 (albeit
large and very legible) screen, there are various modern expansion options available,
including CP/M emulation (under active development).
What makes it still a popular unit are the character size and legibility, the excellent
keyboard and the long 4xAA cell battery life; the otherwise identical T102 is a thinner
and lighter version.
the final nail in the coffin for m100 is the size of my go bag ( 23 * 16 * 1.5cm)
m
-------------
[^1]: I am really unsure if I want to go down the TCP/IP path
2:38 p.m.
You might check out the Gateway HandBook series -- there's a 286 and 486
version. I've got the 486 version, it'll run DOS/Win31/Win95 and Linux/*BSD
distros that support the 486. Suspend/resume is instant, there's an
internal battery to carry you through battery pack hot swaps, and you can
gut the old pack and restuff with modern cells. I've been meaning to build
a USB based pack replacement for mine, using one or two 18650 cells, a
charge controller, and a load share switch IC. Gets around the problem of
needing the Gateway charger, which mine didn't come with :)
I've got one of the above-mentioned GPD Pocket computers, it's fully modern
and comes with Windows 10 or Ubuntu. I've got mine running Slackware, but I
haven't had much time to mess around with it in the past few months.
In between the Handbook and the GPD Pocket, there's the Toshiba Libretto
line. There were a number of models, I've only ever had Libretto 110CT
machines, which are 233 MHz Pentium-MMX with up to 64 MB RAM. These run up
to Windows 2000 just fine, and do fine with a modernish CLI Linux/*BSD
(though some distros are starting to drop i586, and I've heard some distros
will be dropping 32-bit Intel altogether soon). Keyboard isn't as good as
the Handbook, but it's much better than the DOS palmtops I've used.
Thanks,
Jonathan
On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 4:38 PM, tom sparks via cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
On 30/10/17 04:14, Mike Stein wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: "tom sparks" <tomasparks.ts at
gmail.com>
To: "Mike Stein" <mhs.stein at gmail.com>; "General Discussion:
On-Topic
and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2017 1:39 PM
Subject: Re: looking at buying a pocket PC / PDA
On 30/10/17 01:22, Mike Stein wrote:
30KB is a limiting factor me, as I dont know how many text files i want to
store
but like many similar units you transfer files in and out via built-in
Radio Shack M100 (if you've got a large pocket); still used by some
-----------
The internal file system isn't an issue for most people; the max ~30KB
RAM disk (and file) size can be a limiting factor,
writers for the very reason you mention.
m
I did look at M100 and clones, but I ruled them out, as could not use
them without extra hardware to get some DOS-like filesystem
utilities and an RS232 cable or $10.00 bluetooth
dongle to whatever file
system is at the other end including Android and the other main OSs.
I dont want to bring another computing device with me to act as storage,
I want download all the data before I go and upload it when I return or
use a "dial-up" connection[^1]
But as you mentioned, if you otherwise like the unit and can live with an
8x40 (albeit large and very legible) screen, there are various modern
expansion options available, including CP/M emulation (under active
development).
What makes it still a popular unit are the character size and legibility,
the excellent keyboard and the long 4xAA cell battery life; the otherwise
identical T102 is a thinner and lighter version.
the final nail in the coffin for m100 is the size of my go bag ( 23 * 16 *
1.5cm)
m
-------------
[^1]: I am really unsure if I want to go down the TCP/IP path
4:57 p.m.
On 30/10/17 07:38, systems_glitch wrote:
You might check out the Gateway HandBook series --
there's a 286 and
486 version. I've got the 486 version, it'll run DOS/Win31/Win95 and
Linux/*BSD distros that support the 486. Suspend/resume is instant,
there's an internal battery to carry you through battery pack hot
swaps, and you can gut the old pack and restuff with modern cells.
I've been meaning to build a USB based pack replacement for mine,
using one or two 18650 cells, a charge controller, and a load share
switch IC. Gets around the problem of needing the Gateway charger,
which mine didn't come with :)
I've got one of the above-mentioned GPD Pocket computers, it's fully
modern and comes with Windows 10 or Ubuntu. I've got mine running
Slackware, but I haven't had much time to mess around with it in the
past few months.
In between the Handbook and the GPD Pocket, there's the Toshiba
Libretto line. There were a number of models, I've only ever had
Libretto 110CT machines, which are 233 MHz Pentium-MMX with up to 64
MB RAM. These run up to Windows 2000 just fine, and do fine with a
modernish CLI Linux/*BSD (though some distros are starting to drop
i586, and I've heard some distros will be dropping 32-bit Intel
altogether soon). Keyboard isn't as good as the Handbook, but it's
much better than the DOS palmtops I've used.
Thanks,
Jonathan
cant find the Gateway HandBook on ebay :(
if wanted the GPD Pocket i could buy these
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandora_(console)> or? GDP Win
Toshiba Libretto size issues
On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 4:38 PM, tom sparks via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org <mailto:cctalk at classiccmp.org>> wrote:
On 30/10/17 04:14, Mike Stein wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: "tom sparks" <tomasparks.ts at gmail.com
<mailto:tomasparks.ts at gmail.com>>
To: "Mike Stein" <mhs.stein at gmail.com
<mailto:mhs.stein at gmail.com>>; "General Discussion: On-Topic
and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org
<mailto:cctalk at classiccmp.org>>
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2017 1:39 PM
Subject: Re: looking at buying a pocket PC / PDA
On 30/10/17 01:22, Mike Stein wrote:
Radio Shack M100 (if you've got a large pocket); still
used by some writers for the very reason you mention.
m
I did look at M100 and clones, but I ruled them out, as
could not use
them without extra hardware to get some DOS-like filesystem
-----------
The internal file system isn't an issue for most people; the
max ~30KB RAM disk (and file) size can be a limiting factor,
30KB is a limiting factor me, as I dont know how many text files i
want to store
? but like many similar units you transfer files in and out
via built-in utilities and an RS232 cable or $10.00 bluetooth
dongle to whatever file system is at the other end including
Android and the other main OSs.
I dont want to bring another computing device with me to act as
storage,
I want download all the data before I go and upload it when I
return or use a "dial-up" connection[^1]
But as you mentioned, if you otherwise like the unit and can
live with an 8x40 (albeit large and very legible) screen,
there are various modern expansion options available,
including CP/M emulation (under active development).
What makes it still a popular unit are the character size and
legibility, the excellent keyboard and the long 4xAA cell
battery life; the otherwise identical T102 is a thinner and
lighter version.
the final nail in the coffin for m100 is the size of my go bag (
23 * 16 * 1.5cm)
m
-------------
[^1]: I am really unsure if I want to go down the TCP/IP path
30 Oct
30 Oct
7:34 a.m.
On 30 October 2017 at 00:57, tom sparks via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
cant find the Gateway HandBook on ebay :(
if wanted the GPD Pocket i could buy these
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandora_(console)> or GDP Win
Toshiba Libretto size issues
Your quoting is broken. It took 3 goes to type this because I couldn't
find your actual reply.
The Pandora is a gaming toy. It's got a terrible keyboard.
The GDP is one device, it just comes with either Windows or Ubuntu
installed. I think even the specs are the same.
The difference between modern things and the Psion is of course
battery life. A Psion 5/5mx ran for months on a pair of AAs. A
mini-laptop runs for a few hours.
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10:04 a.m.
On 31/10/17 00:34, Liam Proven wrote:
On 30 October 2017 at 00:57, tom sparks via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
I checked cctalk mail archive I could not find where my text quoting is
broken[1]
cant find the Gateway HandBook on ebay :(
if wanted the GPD Pocket i could buy these
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandora_(console)> or GDP Win
Toshiba Libretto size issues
Your quoting is broken. It took 3 goes to type this
because I couldn't
find your actual reply.
The Pandora is a gaming toy. It's got a terrible keyboard.
The GDP is one device, it just comes with either Windows or Ubuntu
installed. I think even the specs are the same.
I was say that the "modern" GPD pocket version sucks compared to the
older versions.
if i was designing the next gen, i would start of with a kindle keyboard[2],
clamshell it, then make it smaller
The difference between modern things and the Psion is
of course
battery life. A Psion 5/5mx ran for months on a pair of AAs. A
mini-laptop runs for a few hours.
[1]: http://www.classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctalk/2017-October/035578.html
[2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_Kindle#Kindle_Keyboard
31 Oct
31 Oct
3:02 p.m.
New subject: BBS software was Re: looking at buying a pocket PC / PDA
I am looking for BBS software to run on my linux computer that i can use
to down/up-load stuff for my psion 5mx
I have 2 xbees[1] to make the link
PS: I know there is pswin[2]
[1]: they are radio modems, see https://www.sparkfun.com/pages/xbee_guide
[2]: http://psion.info/GJ5/psiwin233_32.html
-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: Re: looking at buying a pocket PC / PDA
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2017 06:38:23 +1000
From: tom sparks <tomasparks.ts at gmail.com>
To: Mike Stein <mhs.stein at gmail.com>, General Discussion: On-Topic and
Off-Topic Posts <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
<sniped>
I want download all the data before I go and upload it when I return or
use a "dial-up" connection[^1]
<sniped>
[^1]: I am really unsure if I want to go down the TCP/IP path
4:50 p.m.
New subject: BBS software was Re: looking at buying a pocket PC / PDA
I'd get a RS232toWIFI dongle, they're cheap and easy to make a connection
via simple terminal software to an outside telnet target.
On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 6:02 PM, tom sparks via cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
I am looking for BBS software to run on my linux
computer that i can use
to down/up-load stuff for my psion 5mx
I have 2 xbees[1] to make the link
PS: I know there is pswin[2]
[1]: they are radio modems, see https://www.sparkfun.com/pages/xbee_guide
[2]: http://psion.info/GJ5/psiwin233_32.html
-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: Re: looking at buying a pocket PC / PDA
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2017 06:38:23 +1000
From: tom sparks <tomasparks.ts at gmail.com>
To: Mike Stein <mhs.stein at gmail.com>, General Discussion: On-Topic
and Off-Topic Posts <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
<sniped>
I want download all the data before I go and upload it when I return or
use a "dial-up" connection[^1]
<sniped>
[^1]: I am really unsure if I want to go down the TCP/IP path
1 Nov
1 Nov
11:29 a.m.
New subject: BBS software was Re: looking at buying a pocket PC / PDA
I'd get a RS232toWIFI dongle, they're cheap
and easy to make a connection
via simple terminal software to an outside telnet target.
I don't think the RS232 to WIFI dongles from the one guy are often
unavailable. I think the creator hand solders them in small batches or
something.
- EThan
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11:43 a.m.
New subject: BBS software was Re: looking at buying a pocket PC / PDA
On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 12:29 PM, Ethan via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
wrote:
I'd get a RS232toWIFI dongle, they're cheap
and easy to make a connection
The ESP 8266's are available a dime a dozen and often have the proper
firmware burned into them. At worst, you have to put a RS-232 DB-xx
connector on and maybe a level shifter (depending on the ESP board you
have, though most don't have them)...
Warner
via simple terminal software to an outside telnet
target.
I don't think the RS232 to WIFI dongles from the one guy are often
unavailable. I think the creator hand solders them in small batches or
something.
3 p.m.
New subject: BBS software was Re: looking at buying a pocket PC / PDA
On Wed, 1 Nov 2017, Warner Losh via cctalk wrote:
On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 12:29 PM, Ethan via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
wrote:
...and a pair of MAX232's if you plan on connecting it to real hardware
equipped with an RS-232 port.
I'd suggest starting with a NodeMCU. :)
g.
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I'd get a RS232toWIFI dongle, they're
cheap and easy to make a connection
The ESP 8266's are available a dime a dozen and often have the proper
firmware burned into them. At worst, you have to put a RS-232 DB-xx
connector on and maybe a level shifter (depending on the ESP board you
have, though most don't have them)...
via simple terminal software to an outside telnet
target.
I don't think the RS232 to WIFI dongles from the one guy are often
unavailable. I think the creator hand solders them in small batches or
something.
2:58 p.m.
New subject: BBS software was Re: looking at buying a pocket PC / PDA
On Wed, 1 Nov 2017, Ethan via cctalk wrote:
It's a great unit for doing "dial-out" only. Forget incoming
though.
g.
--
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http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home.
Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies.
ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
http://scarlet.deltasoft.com - Get it _today_!
I'd get a
RS232toWIFI dongle, they're cheap and easy to make a connection
via simple terminal software to an outside telnet target.
I don't think the RS232 to WIFI dongles from the one guy are often
unavailable. I think the creator hand solders them in small batches or
something.
2 Nov
2 Nov
10:56 a.m.
New subject: BBS software was Re: looking at buying a pocket PC / PDA
On 31 October 2017 at 23:02, tom sparks via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
I am looking for BBS software to run on my linux
computer that i can use to
down/up-load stuff for my psion 5mx
The 5MX can talk IRDA, you know, which might be easier but is
line-of-sight only.
This may be informative:
http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/pdf/Psion-HOWTO.pdf
Also see:
http://palmtop.cosi.com.pl/2012/12/28/psion-linux-pc-and-a-cable/
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4:56 p.m.
New subject: BBS software was Re: looking at buying a pocket PC / PDA
On 03/11/17 03:56, Liam Proven wrote:
On 31 October 2017 at 23:02, tom sparks via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
I'm look at the reverse case psion to PC
I am looking for BBS software to run on my linux
computer that i can use to
down/up-load stuff for my psion 5mx
The 5MX can talk IRDA, you know, which might
be easier but is
line-of-sight only.
This may be informative:
http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/pdf/Psion-HOWTO.pdf
Also see:
http://palmtop.cosi.com.pl/2012/12/28/psion-linux-pc-and-a-cable/
30 Oct
30 Oct
12:47 p.m.
Radio Shack M100 ... still used by some writers for
the very reason you mention.
That is not true.
It was an urban legend in the 1990s that a handful of old farts in the
entirely sportswriting industry (thousands of writers overall) may
"still" be using their Model 100s. I'm sure if you looked hard enough
some of them still used typewriters too.
In 2017? It's ridiculous to even speculate.
2 Nov
2 Nov
2:43 p.m.
I'll forward your supercilious and ill-informed comment to the folks I know who do in
fact use an M100; I'm sure they will be amused...
m
----- Original Message -----
From: "Evan Koblentz via cctalk" <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at
classiccmp.org>
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2017 3:47 PM
Subject: Re: looking at buying a pocket PC / PDA
Radio Shack
M100 ... still used by some writers for the very reason you mention.
That is not true.
It was an urban legend in the 1990s that a handful of old farts in the
entirely sportswriting industry (thousands of writers overall) may
"still" be using their Model 100s. I'm sure if you looked hard enough
some of them still used typewriters too.
In 2017? It's ridiculous to even speculate.
5:03 p.m.
I'll forward your supercilious and ill-informed
comment to the folks I know who do in fact use an M100; I'm sure they will be
amused...
BS.
I've been a professional full-time journalist for 20 years. No one in
their right mind is using anything older than a last-gen laptop. Maybe
two generations if they're poor like me.
m
----- Original Message -----
From: "Evan Koblentz via cctalk" <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at
classiccmp.org>
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2017 3:47 PM
Subject: Re: looking at buying a pocket PC / PDA
Radio
Shack M100 ... still used by some writers for the very reason you mention.
That is not true.
It was an urban legend in the 1990s that a handful of old farts in the
entirely sportswriting industry (thousands of writers overall) may
"still" be using their Model 100s. I'm sure if you looked hard enough
some of them still used typewriters too.
In 2017? It's ridiculous to even speculate.
3 Nov
3 Nov
1:36 a.m.
On 3 November 2017 at 01:03, Evan Koblentz via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
BS.
I've been a professional full-time journalist for 20 years. No one in their
right mind is using anything older than a last-gen laptop. Maybe two
generations if they're poor like me.
Not full-time, but still a paid scribbler for everything from PC Mag to MacUser.
In this century, I have written columns on a Mac Classic II (in the
21st century) and on an early-1990s 386sx laptop under WordPerfect
5.1. I have toted a Thinkpad Butterfly internationally, repeatedly. I
am currently building a bootable Live USB with PC-DOS 7.1 and MS Word
6 for DOS as a distraction-free writing tool.
Yeah, some people totally do. Weirdos, probably, but yes.
And I am typing this on an IBM Model M (made 1994-05-06) which is
attached to my Core i5 Thinkpad X220, bought used in January for ?150,
which is my newest and most powerful laptop. In fact probably my
newest computer of any kind.
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10:57 a.m.
Hey, TRS-80 M100 rocks! I've got several, and they all work perfectly to
this day. Built by Kyocera, who isn't known for making junk..
The 30+ hr. battery life alone is enough to earn them a high rating, and
they have a built-in terminal program. I've used them to control headless
Linux boxes several times via serial port. I believe they do 9600 or
possibly 19200.
If anyone is still in want of a PDA, I have a very nice Palm IIIxe w/
cradle that should have a decent home. It's already had the ROM flashed to
the newest supported version. Prefer trade for C-64 stuff.
On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 3:36 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
On 3 November 2017 at 01:03, Evan Koblentz via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
BS.
I've been a professional full-time journalist for 20 years. No one in
their
right mind is using anything older than a
last-gen laptop. Maybe two
generations if they're poor like me.
Not full-time, but still a paid scribbler for everything from PC Mag to
MacUser.
In this century, I have written columns on a Mac Classic II (in the
21st century) and on an early-1990s 386sx laptop under WordPerfect
5.1. I have toted a Thinkpad Butterfly internationally, repeatedly. I
am currently building a bootable Live USB with PC-DOS 7.1 and MS Word
6 for DOS as a distraction-free writing tool.
Yeah, some people totally do. Weirdos, probably, but yes.
And I am typing this on an IBM Model M (made 1994-05-06) which is
attached to my Core i5 Thinkpad X220, bought used in January for ?150,
which is my newest and most powerful laptop. In fact probably my
newest computer of any kind.
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11:24 a.m.
Hey, TRS-80 M100 rocks! I've got several, and they
all work perfectly to
this day. Built by Kyocera, who isn't known for making junk.
I agree, just not with the nutty claim that real writers still use them
as modern tools. That was an urban legend with maybe some tiny grain of
truth 25 years ago.
6:51 p.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Evan Koblentz via cctalk" <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
To: "drlegendre ." <drlegendre at gmail.com>; "Liam Proven"
<lproven at gmail.com>; "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Sent: Friday, November 03, 2017 2:24 PM
Subject: Re: looking at buying a pocket PC / PDA
Well, if you're defining 'writer' as "a professional full-time
journalist" whose main concerns are deadlines, word counts, editors' demands etc.
and who has to be connected to the Internet every second then you're probably correct
when it comes to usage today, although I wouldn't be surprised if some do use an
obsolete device for jotting down ideas and notes as the OP wants to do.
But I didn't say *professional* writers still use M100s. I said "some
writers", and I think the folks who self-publish stories on the Internet, enter
writing contests, contribute to the various on-line magazines etc. or just write for
pleasure and entertainment of friends and family are every bit as much 'writers'
as your elite group of 'real writers', and some of them do indeed prefer the M100
and its cousins to their modern laptops and desktops for its unique features.
As Bill Loguidice observed in a thread elsewhere about your opinionated post,
"...there really is no true modern equivalent to what the M100 series can do",
especially when equipped with modern multi-MB RAM and storage expansions, USB, WiFi and
Bluetooth connectivity options, multiple tools and programs instantly accessible from ROM
etc., etc.
Hey, TRS-80
M100 rocks! I've got several, and they all work perfectly to
this day. Built by Kyocera, who isn't known for making junk.
I agree, just not with the nutty claim that real writers still use them
as modern tools. That was an urban legend with maybe some tiny grain of
truth 25 years ago. "It was an urban legend in the 1990s that a
handful of old farts in the entirely sportswriting industry (thousands of writers overall)
may
"still" be using their Model 100s."
How many in a 'handful'? Perhaps not many in the 90s but they were certainly
popular with journalists in the 80s; a few years ago I chatted for a while with a British
professional full-time motorsport journalist who did indeed use an M100 for composing and
uploading, as did quite a few of his fellow journalists at the time. Wikipedia and
Infoworld:
"Tandy stated that the Model 100's sales "have only been moderate", and
an InfoWorld columnist later claimed that "it was only journalists" who had been
buying it. The system's popularity with journalists, however, probably helped Radio
Shack improve the company's poor reputation with the press and in the industry."
A little before your time of course...
But despite (or because of) your use of rude words like 'nutty' and 'BS'
you have provided a few chuckles for the folks in the user groups(s) who are or know
writers who do in fact use M100s and similar devices.
They just may know more about who uses them today and for what than you presume to know..
m
7:03 p.m.
But I didn't say *professional* writers still use
M100s. I said "some
writers", and I think the folks who self-publish stories on the
Internet, enter writing contests, contribute to the various on-line
magazines etc. or just write for pleasure and entertainment of friends
and family are every bit as much 'writers' as your elite group of 'real
writers', and some of them do indeed prefer the M100 and its cousins to
their modern laptops and desktops for its unique features.
Oh geez. Nobody said anything about "elite" just because it's my career.
I'd be shocked if 1 in 10,000 writers today every HEARD of the Model
100, let alone use it. But if what you really mean is that you hang out
with a bunch of old cranks, one or two of which call themselves writers
and still use a Model 100, then I guess that's true. :)
As Bill Loguidice observed in a thread elsewhere about
your opinionated
post, "...there really is no true modern equivalent to what the M100
series can do", especially when equipped with?modern multi-MB RAM and
storage expansions, USB, WiFi and Bluetooth connectivity options,
multiple tools and programs instantly accessible from ROM etc., etc.
Bill L. is a good friend of mine and I'd happily debate him on this. The
answer is: Chromebook. Turn it on, boots just about instantly, runs on
all day on a single charge, has an awesome offline text editor
available, light as a feather, and starts around $200. I love mine.
A little before your time of course...
?? I'm in my 40s.
29 Oct
29 Oct
1:08 p.m.
On Sat, Oct 28, 2017 at 08:03:31PM +1000, tom sparks via cctalk wrote:
I am looking at buying a pocket PC / PDA, so I can
write idea/notes
when I am away from my computer
the [Psion 3](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psion_Series_3) and
[Psion 5](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psion_Series_5) look like
good options,
but i read about the hinge/screen issues
I am leaning more towards the Psion 5 because of the easy of getting
accessories,
but it has more things to break
but I am wounding about other options?
I was looking down that road and recognised what was there at the end
of it, and decided I want something else.
The way I understand it is, basically, those are proprietary
unmaintanaible units - designed for "sell and replace when broken",
maybe not as much as modern designs, but still. Getting old rather
fast. Not much options to have one's own OS on it. Not much options to
have any additional software on it - old websites died off, people
sometimes followed, sometimes went on or retired. Hence, not much
options to ask questions when I get stuck. No manuals, AFAICS.
Surface mounted electronics have not encouraged me either - albeit I
can see increasing number of DIY folks who can solder this in and out.
As of additional suggestions, some people sweared by their Palm Pilots
and later Palms.
But it boils down to buying used hw, no guarantee, and taking it with
you, jumping, shagging, pressing as you go. I would be afraid of it
dying anytime. It might last next twenty years, but this cannot be
counted on. Thus if I developed habit to depend on it, I would have to
keep alternative habit ready to depend on, too. And if so, going
straight for alternative habit would seem much more rational, wouldn't
it?
Thus I choose the alternative. Positives:
- no moving parts
- keeps working on zero volts with no problem
- no proprietary unrepairable circuits
- no worry that rohs-no-lead solder breaks
- no manual required
- repairs can be done anywhere, cheaply
- expansion can be done anywhere, cheaply, as long as there is
stationery nearby
- mods can be done, and require only very few manual skills
... and more...
I realize my advice is a bit orthogonal to the letter and spirit of
this group, but when I choose something, I try to be serious about
it. So either the above way, or I would have to buy few more
replacements and serve as my own repair shop (time sink alert! money
sink alert!), but without manuals and fearing that there might be a
proprietary connector broken, which can be bought and transferred from
a country ten thousands km away (provided I can name it properly, so
it could be found), which might be ok if I made more shopping, but for
just one plastic part is rather excessive, which sends me back to my
selected alternative.
In case you have not guessed yet:
https://www.pinterest.com/explore/creative-journal/
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/454230312408028784/
https://www.pinterest.com/explore/organisation-ideas-planners/
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/301319031309050764/
https://www.pinterest.com/explore/bullet-journal/
https://www.pinterest.com/explore/sketch-journal/
If you wonder, yes, I have the paper notebook, two even (but I think I
would be joining them in a future - scissors, glue and more
paper). Not as creative as the ones on pinterest (some of those are
probably more "show" than "practical"), but I am slowly inventing my
own way of doing it. Preying on the web to see how other people do
this, from time to time.
HTH
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Regards,
Tomasz Rola
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** As the answer, master did "rm -rif" on the programmer's home **
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1:14 p.m.
On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 8:08 PM, Tomasz Rola via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
- no moving parts
- keeps working on zero volts with no problem
- no proprietary unrepairable circuits
- no worry that rohs-no-lead solder breaks
- no manual required
- repairs can be done anywhere, cheaply
- expansion can be done anywhere, cheaply, as long as there is
stationery nearby
- mods can be done, and require only very few manual skills
... and more...
Doesn't randomly crash.
Doesn't get viruses
Doesn't have licence agreements
[...]
In case you have not guessed yet:
[...]
If you wonder, yes, I have the paper notebook, two
even (but I think I
Ah... A Paper Aided Design system, also known as a PAD
(of paper).
I use one all the time...
-tony
1:43 p.m.
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Tony Duell
via cctalk
Sent: 29 October 2017 20:15
To: Tomasz Rola <rtomek at ceti.pl>; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-
Topic Posts <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Cc: tom sparks <tomasparks.ts at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: looking at buying a pocket PC / PDA
On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 8:08 PM, Tomasz Rola via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
These devices are not without problems...
If I use a Pen the ink leaks all over my shirt,
I switched to a clutch pencil and when I dropped it all the leads broke...
.. the pad has limited capacity, and like an iPad is very susceptible to fluid damage and
having little monetary value I have been known to leave it on the train/bus/plain and when
I do I can't remotely erase the critical data on it...
- no moving parts
- keeps working on zero volts with no problem
- no proprietary unrepairable circuits
- no worry that rohs-no-lead solder breaks
- no manual required
- repairs can be done anywhere, cheaply
- expansion can be done anywhere, cheaply, as long as there is
stationery nearby
- mods can be done, and require only very few manual skills ... and
more...
Doesn't randomly crash.
Doesn't get viruses
Doesn't have licence agreements
[...]
Or a BookBook...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOXQo7nURs0
In case you have not guessed yet:
[...]
If you wonder, yes, I have the paper notebook,
two even (but I think I
Ah... A Paper Aided Design system, also known as a PAD (of paper).
I use one all the time...
-tony
Dave
3:49 p.m.
On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 08:43:36PM -0000, Dave Wade via cctalk wrote:
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Tony Duell
> via cctalk
[...]
>
> Doesn't randomly crash.
> Doesn't get viruses
> Doesn't have licence agreements
Also: no ransomware.
These devices are not without problems...
If I use a Pen the ink leaks all over my shirt,
I switched to a clutch pencil and when I dropped it
all the leads broke...
I have been using ballpen a lot. Problem was, when original ink holder
ran out, the replacements I could buy were of mediocore quality. So I
optimised and now go with disposables - like Stabilo. Also, Bic, if I
have chance. Or anything from that shelve, I am not purist.
As of ink leaks, perhaps holding pen in some hardened case would do?
Maybe together with notepad?
.. the pad has limited capacity, and like an iPad is
very
susceptible to fluid damage and having little monetary value I have
been known to leave it on the train/bus/plain and when I do I can't
remotely erase the critical data on it...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voynich_manuscript
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Undeciphered_historical_codes_and_ci…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptonomicon#Pontifex_Cipher
Those too have limitations, but should be above the height of average
pickpocket/passerby. One of the limitations is, one requires quite a
bit of practice to do them in memory.
OTOH, when applied to short sequences of words, should be quite
strong, from what I have read.
When memorizing sequence of digits on paper, I could write a sentence
of words of proper length, or have many words of diffent length all
over the page and memorize the place of those which I need (just
guessing, will have to try it one day).
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Regards,
Tomasz Rola
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** As the answer, master did "rm -rif" on the programmer's home **
** directory. And then the C programmer became enlightened... **
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7 Nov
7 Nov
3:47 p.m.
s?n 2017-10-29 klockan 23:49 +0100 skrev Tomasz Rola via cctalk:
The ink patron itself is a standard version (unfortunately not
Ballograf.)
On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 08:43:36PM -0000, Dave Wade
via cctalk wrote:
Personally i got myself this weekend a a nice ballpen.
A ballpen with normal inards but a outside of wood - real Jakkaranda
(old stock from an well known swedish carpenter.)
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> via cctalk
[...]
>
> Doesn't randomly crash.
> Doesn't get viruses
> Doesn't have licence agreements
Also: no ransomware.
These devices
are not without problems...
If I use a Pen the ink leaks all over my shirt,
I switched to a clutch pencil and when I dropped
it all the leads broke...
I have been using ballpen a lot. Problem was, when original ink holder
ran out, the replacements I could buy were of mediocore quality. So I
optimised and now go with disposables - like Stabilo. Also, Bic, if I
have chance. Or anything from that shelve, I am not purist.
As of ink leaks, perhaps holding pen in some hardened case would do?
Maybe together with notepad?
7:53 p.m.
On 11/07/2017 05:47 PM, Stefan Skoglund via cctalk wrote:
A ballpen with normal inards but a outside of wood -
real
Jakkaranda (old stock from an well known swedish carpenter.)
I have no idea what
Jacaranda (US spelling) looks like, but
the trees are absolutely STUNNING when they are in bloom.
I happened to be in the Los Angeles area late this spring,
and got to see them in that state.
They looked like giant purple snowballs.
Jon
10:04 p.m.
On 11/7/2017 7:53 PM, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote:
They looked like giant purple snowballs.
The droppings destroy the paint on your
car, however.? Irvine is covered
with them.? There is another tree with a red flower that has the tendril
type bloom, I couldn't find what they were called.? Same problem with
paint.? Maybe someone here more familiar with tree blooms might know.
Just called them red and purple trees, but did know the purple was the
Jacaranda.
Would have loved to visit, if you come back out, let me know.
thanks
Jim
8 Nov
8 Nov
8:35 a.m.
On 11/08/2017 12:04 AM, jim stephens via cctalk wrote:
On 11/7/2017 7:53 PM, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote:
Oh, it was the
wedding of my son the Marine, and was a QUITE
busy time, indeed! We were only out there for a few days.
But, if time permits, and we get out there again with more
time available, then I will likely get in contact with a few
people. One of these days, I might actually be allowed to
retire, and then more time would be available to visit with
people.
Jon
They looked like giant purple snowballs.
The droppings destroy the paint on your
car, however.
Irvine is covered with them. There is another tree with a
red flower that has the tendril type bloom, I couldn't
find what they were called. Same problem with paint.
Maybe someone here more familiar with tree blooms might know.
Just called them red and purple trees, but did know the
purple was the Jacaranda.
Would have loved to visit, if you come back out, let me know.
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