21 Mar
2002
21 Mar
'02
10:42 a.m.
Rumor has it that Douglas Quebbeman may have mentioned these words:
-- and I said originally --
> I remember seeing greenbar, pinfed *bedsheets* a long time
> ago... I wonder if any company's still making them. ;-)
If not, someone has a lot of it in stock...
I bought a brand new box of 20lb greenbar at Office Despot
in June 2001 for $38.00.
I was really talking about the bedsheets - I think they'd be a cool part of
'retro dream-computing...' and might be quite rare nowadays...
I have a color lazer with serial/parallel/ethernet ports, full Postscript 2
capability, 2G SCSI hard drive, and 112Meg RAM - I can print from most any
classic machine I have (some multiport, like my Tandy 200, can print on the
serial & parallel interfaces... ;-) so actual greenbar paper isn't ezactly
at the top of my list...
The only classic machine I can't get to print is my MicroVAX 3100/m38 - and
that's only because I can't get it to talk TCP/IP... :-( <sniff>
Laterz,
Roger "Merch" Merchberger
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21 Mar
21 Mar
11:21 a.m.
New subject: DEC VRE01-AA Plasma screen monitor on eBay
For those that might be interested in it, there's a VRE01-AA
on eBay right now with a 'buy-it-now' price of $100.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2011589633
As usual, I have no connection with the auction, I'm just
passing the info on in case anyone here is interested.
Jeff
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1:24 p.m.
New subject: DEC VRE01-AA Plasma screen monitor
Ok Dittmann got away with it for about half the usual price.
I hope he lives in a cold state as these things generate a heck of a lot
of heat!
But they are the geekiest screens I have ever owned. And theres a big
real estate to cover in mono! Real gorgeous and an attention getter
every time. I was told these thingys cost 20 k when new ....in 91! I
wonder who other than the INS bought them. There were quite a few made
and there are still plenty around.
I hope we can get a group together to make them work on X!
I did, some years ago and I still have the xf86config file.
It has to be on a sync-on-green video card, of course: Matrox millenium
(or mystique?) I forget. There are others.
But after that I got into incorrectible trouble:
In regular svga --8bpp it throws a moir? on dithered screens of 1000x800
more or less. Ugly. Too d....bad! I gave up on them. I could never
figure why. Later on I wondered:
Has anyone tried -bpp2, 4 or 6? In xinitrc or startx --bppnnn?
I wish I could use mine better than as dumb decscreens on a vaxserver
or as a mono std out on my netbsd VAX.What a waste of beautiful
technology! Think of the cockpit simulators one could do with that
glowing thing!
Fred
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For those that might be interested in it, there's a VRE01-AA
on eBay right now with a 'buy-it-now' price of $100.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2011589633
As usual, I have no connection with the auction, I'm just
passing the info on in case anyone here is interested.
Jeff
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1:53 p.m.
New subject: DEC VRE01-AA Plasma screen monitor
Ok Dittmann got away with it for about half the usual
price.
I hope he lives in a cold state as these things generate a heck of a lot
of heat!
At work we've got a load of 3290 displays so I'm pretty
familiar with the amount of heat one of those screens
puts out (similar technology).
But they are the geekiest screens I have ever owned.
And theres a big
real estate to cover in mono! Real gorgeous and an attention getter
every time. I was told these thingys cost 20 k when new ....in 91! I
wonder who other than the INS bought them. There were quite a few made
and there are still plenty around.
I don't see these come up too often. Likewise with an
ELT320. I has high bidder on one on eBay, but didn't
meet the reserve. I asked the seller if he'd sell it
anyway, but another bidder asked him before I did (and
I asked within a half hour of the end) and the seller
sold to him instead. :-(
I hope we can get a group together to make them work
on X!
I'm going to use mine with DEC equipment.
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1:35 p.m.
New subject: DEC VRE01-AA Plasma screen monitor on eBay
For those that might be interested in it, there's
a VRE01-AA
on eBay right now with a 'buy-it-now' price of $100.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2011589633
As usual, I have no connection with the auction, I'm just
passing the info on in case anyone here is interested.
I happened to notice that a bit ago. It is no longer available
as I BIN'ed it. :-)
--
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2:01 p.m.
New subject: DEC VRE01-AA Plasma screen monitor on eBay
I happened to notice that a bit ago. It is no longer
available
as I BIN'ed it. :-)
You hadn't bought it yet when I sent it to the list!
Jeff
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4:11 p.m.
New subject: DEC VRE01-AA Plasma screen monitor on eBay
I happened to
notice that a bit ago. It is no longer available
as I BIN'ed it. :-)
You hadn't bought it yet when I sent it to the list! 
11:51 a.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Merchberger" <zmerch(a)30below.com>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 8:12 AM
Subject: RE: Toilett processing (Was: ZX-TEAM meeting and Webcam)
The only classic machine I can't get to print is
my MicroVAX 3100/m38 -
and
that's only because I can't get it to talk
TCP/IP... :-( <sniff>
Er, why not? What version of VMS?
Cheers
Geoff in Oz
23 Mar
23 Mar
5:29 a.m.
New subject: My VMS Conundrums... (was: Toilett processing...
Rumor has it that FLTLT\(AAFC\) Geoff Roberts may have mentioned these words:
The usual... I don't have any paper-based documentation whatsoever -- all I
have is CD-ROM based, which needs DECWindows - but I can't get DECWindows
running without documentation. :-(
I've tried 'help' but there are a lot of things that *just* *won't* *run*
whatsoever, including [but not limited to] every text editor I've tried,
because I can't figure out how to get the terminal screen configured...
which (of course, with my luck) 'help' either 1) doesn't tell me, or 2) has
obfuscated it *so* badly that I won't have a chance in Hades of ever
finding it there...
I used the VMS construct of DOS's 'copy con filename.txt' {I don't
remember
what it is anymore -- it's been 6-9 months since I've even sparked up my
VAX} to try to do a few things on it, but it's so hard editing anything
that I took what little spare time I had towards other pursuits. :-/
The system:
VAXStation 3100/m38, 32Meg RAM, VMS Version 7.1 [the full monty - even has
the BASIC package in the distro - 11 disks worth!], (2) 1Gig hard drives
{RZ26s? I think - it's been a while}, 2Meg 8-plane grafix buffer [this is
the biotsch that won't config right for the terminal settings, hence no
text editors] 17" display, keyboard, mouse [of course] & I just got off
eBay 5 AUI->RJ45 transceivers [$22US shipped! Whoohoo!] so I won't have to
have thinnet strung all over my new ancient house - I can stick with Cat5.
The price I pay for having one sweet VAX - damn thing doesn't run for crap.
[1] ;-/
Anyone got a "VAXStation fer Dummies" book written yet? ;-)
Roger "Merch" Merchberger
[1] Well, OK - to be technical, the thing runs *great* - I just can't *do*
a frelling thing with it...
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Recycling is good, right??? Ok, so I'll recycle an old .sig.
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disarmament should *not* be your first career choice.
From: "Roger Merchberger"
<zmerch(a)30below.com>
The only
classic machine I can't get to print is my MicroVAX 3100/m38 -
and
that's only because I can't get it to
talk TCP/IP... :-( <sniff>
Er, why not? What version of VMS? 
7:36 a.m.
New subject: My VMS Conundrums... (was: Toilett processing...
On Sat, 23 Mar 2002, Roger Merchberger wrote:
I've tried 'help' but there are a lot of
things that *just* *won't* *run*
whatsoever, including [but not limited to] every text editor I've tried,
because I can't figure out how to get the terminal screen configured...
which (of course, with my luck) 'help' either 1) doesn't tell me, or 2) has
obfuscated it *so* badly that I won't have a chance in Hades of ever
finding it there...
If you have an ANSI terminal (or a vtXXX) hooked up to it, all you need to
do is 'set term/ansi'. If you're using a framebuffer monitor, I think
you're outa luck, both myself and a guy I know that worked for DEC either
can't figure it out or have deemed it impossible to do ANSI emulation on
those things (or anything useful). My suggestion is to try and get it to
work with a text-terminal first.
Second, once you install DecWindows (http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/),
it should auto-magically start up OR you can start it using a DCL script
called 'DECW$STARTUP.COM' or something similar. It should be available
under the 'SYS$MANAGER:' drive-alias. The URL above is a GREAT reference
to (Open)VMS - I've been able to figure out just about any problem with
those docs and this list. (thanks guys!)
I used the VMS construct of DOS's 'copy con
filename.txt' {I don't remember
what it is anymore -- it's been 6-9 months since I've even sparked up my
VAX} to try to do a few things on it, but it's so hard editing anything
that I took what little spare time I had towards other pursuits. :-/
that would be 'create filename.txt'. Once you get yourself an ANSI
terminal and EDT or EVE running, it'll be much more exciting. EDT and EVE
are *not* the easiest things to use without any prior knowledge (or
without a "Do" key on your DEC Keyboard :) The best 'intro to VMS for
dummies' guide Ive found on the internet is availble from
http://www.ladysharrow.ndirect.co.uk/Vax/beginners_guide_to_vax.htm
Even with its title and the author's bad grammer, it's how I first learned
to use a VAX (using the /nocomm hint provided, but that was a long time
ago ;). If you can tolerate it long enough to read through the useless
bullshit, it's really a decent introductory guide to VAXen.
The system:
VAXStation 3100/m38, 32Meg RAM, VMS Version 7.1 [the full monty - even has
the BASIC package in the distro - 11 disks worth!], (2) 1Gig hard drives
{RZ26s? I think - it's been a while}, 2Meg 8-plane grafix buffer [this is
the biotsch that won't config right for the terminal settings, hence no
text editors] 17" display, keyboard, mouse [of course] & I just got off
eBay 5 AUI->RJ45 transceivers [$22US shipped! Whoohoo!] so I won't have to
have thinnet strung all over my new ancient house - I can stick with Cat5.
Nice setup, makes my VAXstation 3200 look puny. :( Just promise to never
stop running VMS on it. With people like Gunther running Ultrix or NetBSD
on it ( <cough> sick bastards <cough> ;) the world needs as many VMS
users as it can get to stay in sync.
-- Pat
9:14 a.m.
New subject: My VMS Conundrums... (was: Toilett processing...
On Sat, 23 Mar 2002 pat(a)cart-server.purdueriots.com wrote:
If you have an ANSI terminal (or a vtXXX) hooked up to
it, all you need to
do is 'set term/ansi'. If you're using a framebuffer monitor, I think
you're outa luck, both myself and a guy I know that worked for DEC either
can't figure it out or have deemed it impossible to do ANSI emulation on
those things (or anything useful). My suggestion is to try and get it to
work with a text-terminal first.
They finally got around to ANSI emulation in blue screen mode on Alphas
running Unix. I don't think VMS even has it there.
that would be 'create filename.txt'. Once
you get yourself an ANSI
terminal and EDT or EVE running, it'll be much more exciting. EDT and EVE
are *not* the easiest things to use without any prior knowledge (or
without a "Do" key on your DEC Keyboard :) The best 'intro to VMS for
Control B works as do, with a downarrow to get rid of the prev. command
--
12:55 p.m.
New subject: My VMS Conundrums... (was: Toilett processing...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Merchberger" <zmerch(a)30below.com>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2002 2:59 AM
Subject: My VMS Conundrums... (was: Toilett processing...
The usual... I don't have any paper-based documentation whatsoever -- all I
Rumor has it that FLTLT\(AAFC\) Geoff Roberts may have
mentioned these
words:
From:
"Roger Merchberger" <zmerch(a)30below.com>
The only
classic machine I can't get to print is my MicroVAX 3100/m38 -
and
that's only because I can't get it to
talk TCP/IP... :-( <sniff>
Er, why not? What version of VMS? have is CD-ROM based, which needs DECWindows - but I
can't get DECWindows
running without documentation. :-(
IIRC, the VMS docs are viewable online at DEC^H^H^HCompaq's web site
somewhere.
I've tried 'help' but there are a lot of
things that *just* *won't* *run*
whatsoever, including [but not limited to] every text editor I've tried,
because I can't figure out how to get the terminal screen configured...
HELP SET TERMINAL should work, if you use a VT term into the console port.
which (of course, with my luck) 'help' either
1) doesn't tell me, or 2)
has
obfuscated it *so* badly that I won't have a
chance in Hades of ever
finding it there...
Hmmm, I managed to get a Vax 6310 going when I didn't have any idea what VMS
was,
so I'm sure you can do this..
I used the VMS construct of DOS's 'copy con
filename.txt' {I don't
remember
what it is anymore -- it's been 6-9 months since
I've even sparked up my
VAX} to try to do a few things on it, but it's so hard editing anything
that I took what little spare time I had towards other pursuits. :-/
EVE or just plain EDIT should work, again from a terminal. If the graphic
display working at all?
The system:
VAXStation 3100/m38, 32Meg RAM, VMS Version 7.1 [the full monty - even has
the BASIC package in the distro - 11 disks worth!],
nice.
(2) 1Gig hard drives
{RZ26s? I think - it's been a while},
Sounds right.
2Meg 8-plane grafix buffer [this is
the biotsch that won't config right for the terminal settings, hence no
text editors] 17" display, keyboard, mouse [of course]
?? I didn't think the video device need to be configured. VMS should take
care of that, and it should 'just work'.
Are you sure the monitor and graphic buffer are compatible? Error message?
Anything on the display?
I'm a mouse short of having a decwindows system that works on my VS4000/90
with VMS 6.2 but it runs fine from a
console terminal.
& I just got off
eBay 5 AUI->RJ45 transceivers [$22US shipped! Whoohoo!] so I won't have to
have thinnet strung all over my new ancient house - I can stick with Cat5.
That's good.
The price I pay for having one sweet VAX - damn thing
doesn't run for
crap.
[1] ;-/
Pretty unusual for VMS to not run properly on a Vax of any description.
Anyone got a "VAXStation fer Dummies" book
written yet? ;-)
Roger "Merch" Merchberger
[1] Well, OK - to be technical, the thing runs *great* - I just can't *do*
a frelling thing with it...
Shouldn't be THAT hard.....Did you install VMS, or was it there already?
Cheer
Geoff in Oz
1:51 p.m.
New subject: elobby =
Well, here it is, folks.
EBay's user 'elobby' became 'campaign_data'
October of last year.
As 'elobby' he made a sale which was never delivered
to me, nor refunded.
As 'campaign_data' he sold and sent an item, but with
many delays and empty promises, etc. As this ID he
promised the 'elobby' refund too but never sent it.
He is prone to making statements like "I'm putting your
refund in an envelope right now" and then Not Sending
the envelope!
So I'm giving him a short while and then filing negative
on him. FYI.
John A.
7:06 p.m.
New subject: elobby =
John,
What is his email address? Unless I have a transaction with
"campaign_data", I can't see his email address.
Chad
John Allain wrote:
Well, here it is, folks.
EBay's user 'elobby' became 'campaign_data'
October of last year.
As 'elobby' he made a sale which was never delivered
to me, nor refunded.
As 'campaign_data' he sold and sent an item, but with
many delays and empty promises, etc. As this ID he
promised the 'elobby' refund too but never sent it.
He is prone to making statements like "I'm putting your
refund in an envelope right now" and then Not Sending
the envelope!
So I'm giving him a short while and then filing negative
on him. FYI.
John A.
--
Chad Fernandez
Michigan, USA
24 Mar
24 Mar
1:22 a.m.
New subject: elobby =
I don't blame you. The one and only ditz that posted a neg on me -"polbit"
stated that I sold him junk - that was when he had 3 negatives. Now he's got
10 negatives with around a 247 for total feedback, all on his sales it
seems. He's probably not long for this world of ebay.
=> -----Original Message-----
=> From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
=> [mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of John Allain
=> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2002 6:51 PM
=> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
=> Subject: elobby =
=>
=>
=> Well, here it is, folks.
=>
=> EBay's user 'elobby' became 'campaign_data'
=> October of last year.
=>
=> As 'elobby' he made a sale which was never delivered
=> to me, nor refunded.
=>
=> As 'campaign_data' he sold and sent an item, but with
=> many delays and empty promises, etc. As this ID he
=> promised the 'elobby' refund too but never sent it.
=>
=> He is prone to making statements like "I'm putting your
=> refund in an envelope right now" and then Not Sending
=> the envelope!
=>
=> So I'm giving him a short while and then filing negative
=> on him. FYI.
=>
=> John A.
=>
23 Mar
23 Mar
6:20 p.m.
New subject: My VMS Conundrums... (was: Toilett processing...
IIRC, the VMS docs are viewable online at
DEC^H^H^HCompaq's web site
somewhere.
There's a link on www.openvms.compaq.com.
I've tried
'help' but there are a lot of things that *just* *won't* *run*
whatsoever, including [but not limited to] every text editor I've tried,
because I can't figure out how to get the terminal screen configured...
HELP SET TERMINAL should work, if you use a VT term into the console port. EVE or just plain EDIT should work, again from a
terminal. If the graphic
display working at all?
Use EDIT/EDT in line mode.
> [1] Well, OK - to be technical, the thing runs
*great* - I just can't *do*
> a frelling thing with it...
Someone is a "Farscape" fan.
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